Ferrer's H2H vs other top players except Fedal

[kragster]

For a guy who supposedly has limited weapons, he has an amazing H2H vs the field and vs players who are considered 'more talented' or have 'big' weapons. His H2H with even Nole and Murray is respectable. Only Fedal are able to dominate Ferrer. Kudos to the little guy.


vs Djokovic 5-9
vs Murray 5-6
vs Tsonga 1-1
vs Berdych 5-3
vs Delpotro 5-2
vs Raonic 4-0
vs Roddick 7-4
vs Hewitt 2-1
vs Karlovic 2-1
vs Davydenko 2-3
vs Isner 4-1
vs Wawrinka 5-3
vs Verdasco 8-7
vs Gasquet 8-1
vs Cilic 3-1
vs Ferrero 7-2

 

[Deleted member 307496]

He's dominated Raonic, that's for sure.

 

[tennis_pro]

Ferrer has a very respectable record even against Djokovic and Murray, he's actually the favorite against Murray on clay.

The only players who he doesn't like to face are Nadal on clay (they are dead even on hard courts, heck Ferrer beat him twice in hard court majors) and Federer overall. Extremely solid player, Ferrer.

 

[Towser83]

8-1 vs gasquet? Wow

 

[tennisaddict]

I was happy till i saw 8-7 vs Verdasco.

 

[President]

Yeah Ferrer is very underrated, even by supposedly informedcommentators. Whenever he is playing people like McEnroe talk about how he has no major weapons to take out top players and he is only where he is through hard work. He can beat up on players like Tsonga and Del Potro, and has actually beaten Nadal and Murray in majors. Ferrer has improved a lot on hard courts and now almost plays like Davydenko, taking every ball early with short compact swings and really efficient movement.

 

[Deleted member 307496]

Ferrer may just be a late bloomer.

 

[vive le beau jeu !]

For a guy who supposedly has limited weapons, he has an amazing H2H vs the field and vs players who are considered 'more talented' or have 'big' weapons. His H2H with even Nole and Murray is respectable. Only Fedal are able to dominate Ferrer. Kudos to the little guy.


vs Djokovic 5-9
vs Murray 5-6
vs Tsonga 1-1
vs Berdych 5-3
vs Delpotro 5-2
vs Raonic 4-0
vs Roddick 7-4
vs Hewitt 2-1
vs Karlovic 2-1
vs Davydenko 2-3
vs Isner 4-1
vs Wawrinka 5-3
vs Verdasco 8-7
vs Gasquet 8-1
vs Cilic 3-1
vs Ferrero 7-2

you can add the following ones, which are interesting too:

• 4-10 vs soderling
• 12-0 (!) vs almagro
• 0-3 vs monfils
• 8-5 vs nalbandian

 

[90's Clay]

Ferrer is a brokeback inferior version of Chang.. Not enough weapons to take it to the top players.. But just good enough to be successful vs. the bottom feeders.


Im actually surprised he has the h2h he does vs. guys like BErdych or Tsonga.. Guys who can hit him off the court.. But thats mainly because Berdych and Tsonga are complete basket cases

 

[Sartorius]

About his h2h with Fed, I think it's one of the most dumbfounding things about Fed that he has not lost to Ferrer in 13 matches.

Ferrer's record against the field is not so surprising, he has spent considerable time in top 10. I'd say he's especially like acid against young/upcoming players. If you want to see how good someone can play, watch him play against Ferrer.

 

[NadalDramaQueen]

Ferrer is a brokeback inferior version of Chang.. Not enough weapons to take it to the top players.. But just good enough to be successful vs. the bottom feeders.


Im actually surprised he has the h2h he does vs. guys like BErdych or Tsonga.. Guys who can hit him off the court.. But thats mainly because Berdych and Tsonga are complete basket cases

I find it hard to believe that Chang would be able to beat at least two of the top four in order to win a slam in today's game. He would be happy to be in Ferrer's position if he was playing right now.

Ferrer has an excellent return and is very consistent. Take some advice from Lendl (about Murray losing his first four slam finals), it isn't a shame to lose to great players, especially when one of them may be the best to ever play.

 

[ultradr]

Chang would do better now than in 90's, IMHO.

Pretty sure he wouldn't be able to win French now.
I mean who would? Against Nadal, for god's sake.
He surely was lucky to play final against Edberg in 1989.

He couldn't compete against all the huge servers on classic slippery grass
courts of 1990's. He often got over powered by huge servers on indoor
carpets also. But on hard courts, he actually played power baseline game.
And he actually had excellent volleys. He just did have many chances to use it.

Now that grass courts are bouncier and hard courts are slower, Chang would
do better now. Chang was the fastest guy in 90's, reached final in Australian
Open as I recall. So he would better now in US or even Wimbledon than what
he did in 90's, I think.

 

[NadalDramaQueen]

Chang would do better now than in 90's, IMHO.

Pretty sure he wouldn't be able to win French now.
I mean who would? Against Nadal, for god's sake.
He surely was lucky to play final against Edberg in 1989.

He couldn't compete against all the huge servers on classic slippery grass
courts of 1990's. He often got over powered by huge servers on indoor
carpets also. But on hard courts, he actually played power baseline game.
And he actually had excellent volleys. He just did have many chances to use it.

Now that grass courts are bouncier and hard courts are slower, Chang would
do better now. Chang was the fastest guy in 90's, reached final in Australian
Open as I recall. So he would better now in US or even Wimbledon than what
he did in 90's, I think.

I won't agree or disagree. I only wonder if you believe that he is capable of beating Federer, Djokovic, Nadal, or Murray in a major. Please keep in mind that he would likely have to beat at least two of them to actually win the tournament. I just find that hard to believe.

Even if we go back a few years, the situation is the same except you just have two guys who are unbeatable if you don't have the weapons and catch fire. This is basically Ferrer's problem. He is very good but he can't get by enough of those guys. Fed and Nadal are pretty much unbeatable for him in a major (depending on the surface). I just can't see how Chang wouldn't run into the same issue.

 

[DolgoSantoro]

you can add the following ones, which are interesting too:

• 4-10 vs soderling
• 12-0 (!) vs almagro
• 0-3 vs monfils
• 8-5 vs nalbandian

I'm most surprised by his records against Nando and Monfils, two of the biggest headcases on tour, yet they've managed to do surprisingly well against him.
I'm reminded of a comment on youtube that I saw, it was in Spanish but the gist of it was "if we could put Ferrer's brain in Verdasco's body he'd be unbeatable"

 

[doodlyd]

you can add the following ones, which are interesting too:

• 4-10 vs soderling
• 12-0 (!) vs almagro
• 0-3 vs monfils
• 8-5 vs nalbandian

that is cool

 

[cc0509]

For a guy who supposedly has limited weapons, he has an amazing H2H vs the field and vs players who are considered 'more talented' or have 'big' weapons. His H2H with even Nole and Murray is respectable. Only Fedal are able to dominate Ferrer. Kudos to the little guy.


vs Djokovic 5-9
vs Murray 5-6

But against Djokovic in slams where it matters Ferrer is 0-4 and against Murray in slams he is 1-2 (only beating Murray at the FO but not off clay in slams.)

Ferrer is very consistent against players ranked lower than him but against the top four he is second rate when it matters. In addition, he is one of the most boring players to watch imo. Hewitt was a counter-puncher similar to Ferrer but Hewitt was a heck of a lot more exciting to watch imo.

 

[rofl_copter3]

Ferrer will never cost himself a match, people have to take it from him which means making a lot of very good shots. He doesn't get tired and doesn't make a lot of unforced errors, its really an equation to shredding most player. That said there is a reason there have been 4 players ahead of him...

 

[Def]

Isn't he now 2-1 against Tsonga?

 

[Flash O'Groove]

Yes Ferrer is a lot underrated. A lot of people discard him as less talented than the Tsonga, Berdych and Delpos. That is probably true in term of highest level, but certainly not in term of regularity. I really hope that he can win the titles tomorrow.

 

[90's Clay]

Ferrer will never cost himself a match, people have to take it from him which means making a lot of very good shots. He doesn't get tired and doesn't make a lot of unforced errors, its really an equation to shredding most player. That said there is a reason there have been 4 players ahead of him...

Apparently you haven't seen some of the Nadal-Ferrer matches then

 

[smoledman]

Ferrer just doesn't do anything to bother Fed.