[FICTION SERIES 1] Sampras does not stop Nadal from winning 14 slams

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In the frequent and beaten to death Fed Vs Sampras, it has been pointed out many times that Sampras did not allow his rival to win 2-digit slams. Now there are a few things to ponder upon. First, there is nobody like Nadal in the entire open era, leave alone Sampras era. He has overcome most obstacles thrown at him. Among them, it began with the belief that he won't win a slam beyond clay which he busted at Wimbledon 08. Then, the claim that he won't be winning hard court slams which he demystified at AO09 which is even more remarkable given his dismantling by Tsonga the previous year. The naysayers then happily said no fast USO for him which he did on an even bigger way of the FO-Wimby-USO trio, making him the first ever to win 3 consecutive surface grand slam. Of course, he has since then added one more USO too. Even as all this is read, his FO is not even discussed.

We have two potential ways at looking at Sampras stopping Nadal from winning 2 digit slams: Nadal in 90's and Sampras in 2000's. We first look at the former scenario.

Nadal in 90's
Now, it may be quite true to say that Nadal would not have thrived in the 90's. However, Sampras did leak more than 9 FO's, 2 Wimbledons, 1 AO, and 2 USO's too in the period 1993-2002. To keep things simple, we will again allow Nadal to start at 95 only. If Nadal would have started his FO run at 95, it is not a far stretch to say that he would have got at least 7 FOs. The next thing to look would be the AO considering its slowness more comparable with a FO winner than any other slam. Nadal though does not stop Sampras from both of his AO runs at 94 and 97. However, I don't see Kafelnikov stopping Nadal at 99 AO. This takes his count to 8 slams. Now, regarding the USO, its slightly complex. I firmly believe that Safin won't be stopped by Nadal, though I expect Nadal to triumph at USO 2001 and 2003 as I don't see Hewitt and Roddick stopping Nadal. So what a triumph was for Nadal in 2000's is a loss in the 90's and vice versa, and this will put him at the 2-digit slam count.

Wimbledon needs to be discussed in more details, and I may be criticized a lot here, though I will try to be rational. So does he get the two in the 90's? First of all, I don't see a fierce competitor as Nadal at Wimbledon in the 90's with all due respect to Goran, Rafter, Agassi, et. al. Sampras never had a competitor who was that consistent and none showed up at 5 consecutive finals of there appearance. This is a matter for another day though. Can Nadal stop Krajicek? Now, the next best chance of 2000 though. It might just happen after his string of facing low-ranked opponents, Nadal may be too tough to handle, or may be not. If not for this year, Nadal's 2001 run may be good too. Overall, I think of 96,00,01, Nadal would be winning at least one Wimbledon. To sum up the entire thing, I firmly believe that Nadal would be winning at least 11 slams during 1995-2003. That is, Pete can't stop Nadal from entering the two-digit slam club.

A small deviation though. I often wondered what may have happened if Agassi would have won the 90 and 91 FO finals? Add to the imagination, please remember this is fiction series, that he had started playing AO in 1990 itself. It is not too difficult to then see that Agassi would have crossed 2-digit slam mark himself. In short, I don't think one has to necessarily take slams away from Pete to create another 2-digit slam winner. Similarly, if either of the trio Connors-Mac-Lendl would not be there, may be we would be having another 2-digit slam winner without taking away anything from Borg :)



Sampras in 2000's
For me at least it is not at all difficult to see how Nadal would be more or less having his 14 slams. FO is no contest at all and he keeps all of his 9. No matter what the naysayers say, Fed+Nole is way bigger competition than all of the 90's put together. Nothing, and I mean nothing, counts bigger than this. Again, as in the 90's, Nadal keeps his 09 AO without too much of an argument.

The USO argument actually becomes simpler in this era. Nadal firmly keeps the 2010 even if he faces Pete instead of Nole. Actually, Nole again has a better chance of taking Sampras in the semis (remember its semi final and not finals). Sampras may actually win 2011 USO ala Nole if he were to face Nadal in the final. And even if Sampras would be around 2013, he is not stopping the champion.

The most difficult case still remains Wimbledon and whether Nadal can get two or not? Here, my problem is certainly not Krajicek. It is the continuous assault of Nadal in the finals on the slow courts of 2nd Sunday. Sampras never faced anybody this consistently on the 2nd Sunday, and though he faced Goran 4 times (losing first and winning last 3), it would be similar to facing Roddick. On the one hand, it appears to me that Sampras is not losing 2008 finals, and one of the reasons would be that he won't be mauled badly at the FO 3 weeks ago. I would believe that Sampras would loose either in 07, 09, or 10 and thereby Nadal gets his Wimbledon.

To sum up the story, I feel it is not correct to say that Sampras stops Nadal from winning 2-digit slams. In fact, there was nobody that good in the 90's to be a second two-digit slam winner though Agassi is really close call. A 14-slam (and counting) winner will be a 14 slam winner how-so-ever one slices it. Also, please note, before pulling me up, that Sampras too more-or-less keeps his 14 slams too.

Another way to look at each of Sampras-Fed-Nadal is to look at 10-year period. In their respective 10 years dominant period, Sampras wins 13 slams 93-02, Fed has 17 slams during 03-12, and Nadal 14 (05-14). Nadals remains interesting in that he can still improve by winning 2 slams next year and get to 15 in 06-15, and so on. By this 10-year metric, Fed is most dominant which is contrary to the perception that Sampras and Nadal were more dominant.
 
In the frequent and beaten to death Fed Vs Sampras, it has been pointed out many times that Sampras did not allow his rival to win 2-digit slams. Now there are a few things to ponder upon. First, there is nobody like Nadal in the entire open era, leave alone Sampras era. He has overcome most obstacles thrown at him. Among them, it began with the belief that he won't win a slam beyond clay which he busted at Wimbledon 08. Then, the claim that he won't be winning hard court slams which he demystified at AO09 which is even more remarkable given his dismantling by Tsonga the previous year. The naysayers then happily said no fast USO for him which he did on an even bigger way of the FO-Wimby-USO trio, making him the first ever to win 3 consecutive surface grand slam. Of course, he has since then added one more USO too. Even as all this is read, his FO is not even discussed.

We have two potential ways at looking at Sampras stopping Nadal from winning 2 digit slams: Nadal in 90's and Sampras in 2000's. We first look at the former scenario.

Nadal in 90's
Now, it may be quite true to say that Nadal would not have thrived in the 90's. However, Sampras did leak more than 9 FO's, 2 Wimbledons, 1 AO, and 2 USO's too in the period 1993-2002. To keep things simple, we will again allow Nadal to start at 95 only. If Nadal would have started his FO run at 95, it is not a far stretch to say that he would have got at least 7 FOs. The next thing to look would be the AO considering its slowness more comparable with a FO winner than any other slam. Nadal though does not stop Sampras from both of his AO runs at 94 and 97. However, I don't see Kafelnikov stopping Nadal at 99 AO. This takes his count to 8 slams. Now, regarding the USO, its slightly complex. I firmly believe that Safin won't be stopped by Nadal, though I expect Nadal to triumph at USO 2001 and 2003 as I don't see Hewitt and Roddick stopping Nadal. So what a triumph was for Nadal in 2000's is a loss in the 90's and vice versa, and this will put him at the 2-digit slam count.

Wimbledon needs to be discussed in more details, and I may be criticized a lot here, though I will try to be rational. So does he get the two in the 90's? First of all, I don't see a fierce competitor as Nadal at Wimbledon in the 90's with all due respect to Goran, Rafter, Agassi, et. al. Sampras never had a competitor who was that consistent and none showed up at 5 consecutive finals of there appearance. This is a matter for another day though. Can Nadal stop Krajicek? Now, the next best chance of 2000 though. It might just happen after his string of facing low-ranked opponents, Nadal may be too tough to handle, or may be not. If not for this year, Nadal's 2001 run may be good too. Overall, I think of 96,00,01, Nadal would be winning at least one Wimbledon. To sum up the entire thing, I firmly believe that Nadal would be winning at least 11 slams during 1995-2003. That is, Pete can't stop Nadal from entering the two-digit slam club.

A small deviation though. I often wondered what may have happened if Agassi would have won the 90 and 91 FO finals? Add to the imagination, please remember this is fiction series, that he had started playing AO in 1990 itself. It is not too difficult to then see that Agassi would have crossed 2-digit slam mark himself. In short, I don't think one has to necessarily take slams away from Pete to create another 2-digit slam winner. Similarly, if either of the trio Connors-Mac-Lendl would not be there, may be we would be having another 2-digit slam winner without taking away anything from Borg :)



Sampras in 2000's
For me at least it is not at all difficult to see how Nadal would be more or less having his 14 slams. FO is no contest at all and he keeps all of his 9. No matter what the naysayers say, Fed+Nole is way bigger competition than all of the 90's put together. Nothing, and I mean nothing, counts bigger than this. Again, as in the 90's, Nadal keeps his 09 AO without too much of an argument.

The USO argument actually becomes simpler in this era. Nadal firmly keeps the 2010 even if he faces Pete instead of Nole. Actually, Nole again has a better chance of taking Sampras in the semis (remember its semi final and not finals). Sampras may actually win 2011 USO ala Nole if he were to face Nadal in the final. And even if Sampras would be around 2013, he is not stopping the champion.

The most difficult case still remains Wimbledon and whether Nadal can get two or not? Here, my problem is certainly not Krajicek. It is the continuous assault of Nadal in the finals on the slow courts of 2nd Sunday. Sampras never faced anybody this consistently on the 2nd Sunday, and though he faced Goran 4 times (losing first and winning last 3), it would be similar to facing Roddick. On the one hand, it appears to me that Sampras is not losing 2008 finals, and one of the reasons would be that he won't be mauled badly at the FO 3 weeks ago. I would believe that Sampras would loose either in 07, 09, or 10 and thereby Nadal gets his Wimbledon.

To sum up the story, I feel it is not correct to say that Sampras stops Nadal from winning 2-digit slams. In fact, there was nobody that good in the 90's to be a second two-digit slam winner though Agassi is really close call. A 14-slam (and counting) winner will be a 14 slam winner how-so-ever one slices it. Also, please note, before pulling me up, that Sampras too more-or-less keeps his 14 slams too.

Another way to look at each of Sampras-Fed-Nadal is to look at 10-year period. In their respective 10 years dominant period, Sampras wins 13 slams 93-02, Fed has 17 slams during 03-12, and Nadal 14 (05-14). Nadals remains interesting in that he can still improve by winning 2 slams next year and get to 15 in 06-15, and so on. By this 10-year metric, Fed is most dominant which is contrary to the perception that Sampras and Nadal were more dominant.
You typed too much. Get some sleep, or better yet, find something useful to do.
 
That argument is among the most stupid of Sampras fans. Like Pete would have a say in it...

- For starters Nadal would be in almost double digits just at the FO.
- Nadal won all of his off clay slams from 08-13. By that time Pete was no longer at his best, he wasn't making finals at the AO and at the USO he was getting whipped by Safin and Hewitt for the most part.
- He would probably stop Nadal on grass but only on 90's grass, I don't think he goes undefeated on the newer stuff.
 
Honestly, imagined scenarios like this thread usually turns out ugly. It's better to start the thread with real facts rather than just imagining Nadal in the 90s or Sampras in the 2000s. We'll never know how Nadal will play with a pro-staff 85 or how prime Sampras will serve with Babolat RPM blast.
 
That argument is among the most stupid of Sampras fans. Like Pete would have a say in it...

- For starters Nadal would be in almost double digits just at the FO.
- Nadal won all of his off clay slams from 08-13. By that time Pete was no longer at his best, he wasn't making finals at the AO and at the USO he was getting whipped by Safin and Hewitt for the most part.
- He would probably stop Nadal on grass but only on 90's grass, I don't think he goes undefeated on the newer stuff.

Erm, peak-for-peak Pete would wipe the floor with Nadal 3/4 of the year. Grass, really fast hard, carpet. It would be ugly.
 
Erm, peak-for-peak Pete would wipe the floor with Nadal 3/4 of the year. Grass, really fast hard, carpet. It would be ugly.

Yes but they wouldn't meet peak for peak would they...Nadal would peak largely in Pete's dwindling years.
 
That argument is among the most stupid of Sampras fans. Like Pete would have a say in it...

- For starters Nadal would be in almost double digits just at the FO.
- Nadal won all of his off clay slams from 08-13. By that time Pete was no longer at his best, he wasn't making finals at the AO and at the USO he was getting whipped by Safin and Hewitt for the most part.
- He would probably stop Nadal on grass but only on 90's grass, I don't think he goes undefeated on the newer stuff.
Agassi was also more consistent during the early 00s despite his peak being in the 90s. If I remember correctly, he won 5 slams after '99 and won 3 in the 90s.. So technically, players like Safin and Hewitt dealt with consistent prime Agassi, and peak Federer dealt with a consistent slight past his prime Agassi. Better than a simple peak year Sampras had to deal with in '95.

On 90's grass Sampras has the big edge, but I believe on newer grass Nadal would get him a couple of times.
 
Yes but they wouldn't meet peak for peak would they...Nadal would peak largely in Pete's dwindling years.

Why? Who chooses this scenario (clearly advantageous for Nadal) for this comparison? The only reasonable hypothetical point in time should be peak-for-peak.
 
Why? Who chooses this scenario (clearly advantageous for Nadal) for this comparison? The only reasonable hypothetical point in time should be peak-for-peak.
Even on slow hard.
A blowout on clay for Nadal.
A blowout on grass for Sampras.
A big advantage for Sampras on fast hards.

But Sampras, despite a higher peak on fast hards and grass, was still susceptible to upsets from lesser players than Nadal (Krajicek, Philippousis, ect). I think if they could both beat peak Sampras (or push him really hard) Nadal could close it out against him at least once.
 
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Why? Who chooses this scenario (clearly advantageous for Nadal) for this comparison? The only reasonable hypothetical point in time should be peak-for-peak.

Because this thread is a reflection of the Sampras vs Federer debate. So it makes sense to switch Pete and Roger's position.
 
I'm curious to see Nadal play with a pro staff 85 strung at 85 pounds tension. :lol:

That's what he'll be playing with if we're going to put him in the 90s.
 
I'm curious to see Nadal play with a pro staff 85 strung at 85 pounds tension. :lol:

That's what he'll be playing with if we're going to put him in the 90s.
Put Sampras into this era and he wouldn't have 14 slams. It's easy to play this game too, you know.
 
Because this thread is a reflection of the Sampras vs Federer debate. So it makes sense to switch Pete and Roger's position.

Again, I refuse to follow the unreasonable scenario set out by others. I would only compare peak-vs-peak. I think I have offered my opinion on the eventual outcome of a Federer/Sampras/Nadal/Borg mini-tournament. I would have Federer beating Sampras in the final, narrowly.
 
Again, I refuse to follow the unreasonable scenario set out by others. I would only compare peak-vs-peak. I think I have offered my opinion on the eventual outcome of a Federer/Sampras/Nadal/Borg mini-tournament. I would have Federer beating Sampras in the final, narrowly.

That's fair enough, but you seemed to need clarification on my comments. Which I gave, peak for peak would be a different matter of course. But even then Nadal only has 5 slams off clay, chances are he wins a few to get into double digits.
 
Put Sampras into this era and he wouldn't have 14 slams. It's easy to play this game too, you know.

The thing is Sampras will most likely play better with modern high-powered racquet, but Nadal will be totally useless with a 500 grams extremely high tension natural guts original pro staff. You basically need a gorilla arm to hit heavy top spin with a racquet like that. What is Nadal going to do, flatten his strokes out or serve and volley? He'll be useless under that kind of condition and equipment.
 
You typed too much. Get some sleep, or better yet, find something useful to do.
I am tired of doing useful things. Job, family, research, etc, are some of the so-called important and useful things that I am really tired of.

Honestly, imagined scenarios like this thread usually turns out ugly. It's better to start the thread with real facts rather than just imagining Nadal in the 90s or Sampras in the 2000s. We'll never know how Nadal will play with a pro-staff 85 or how prime Sampras will serve with Babolat RPM blast.
If we have to speak objectively all the times, we would be machines, and then some algorithm or patent would be the best player of all time. Roddick said something to this effect like nobody beats a wall.

A great player will always be a great player. Who knows, with a pro-staff 85, Nadal may stick with his natural right hand and still be winning astonishingly.
 
37 posts and bang! An essay on Nadal being the best. Classic "new user".

I am not knew to tennis forums. Have been partly active on tennis forums like tennisfrontier.com and its earlier variants like tennis.com forum. Though I have not been tt, the topics and arguments across all the forums are more or less the same.
 
I'm curious to see Nadal play with a pro staff 85 strung at 85 pounds tension. :lol:

That's what he'll be playing with if we're going to put him in the 90s.

Why couldn't he play with what Muster, Bruguera, and Agassi were playing? All those racquets would suit his style fine. Depending on how old he is in the hypothetical scenario, he could even play with a Babolat Pure Drive (Carlos Moya did in the 90's).
 
I don't agree with the OP that Sampras would still win 14 slams if Nadal play in the 90s. There's a give-and-take, if Nadal wins 14 slams in the 90s then most likely he takes a few slams from Sampras.

Keep in mind had there was no Nadal in 2000s, Federer would have about 22 slams by now. But since Nadal exists and won 14 slams, a few are at the expense of Federer who is at 17.

My best guess is Sampras would have 11 slams if Nadal was in the 90s.
 
Why couldn't he play with what Muster, Bruguera, and Agassi were playing? All those racquets would suit his style fine. Depending on how old he is in the hypothetical scenario, he could even play with a Babolat Pure Drive (Carlos Moya did in the 90's).

I'm assuming the scenario where Nadal replaces Sampras in the 90s, which means he'll have to play with Sampras' equipments and conditions, while Sampras has to play with Nadal's equipments and conditions as well. I assume that given this scenario, Sampras would likely have done much better than Nadal, who probably will not be able to adjust his game to Sampras' type of racquet. Nadal is probably the best player under modern conditions and equipments, but his game does not translate well to the old and outdated equipment.
 
I'm assuming the scenario where Nadal replaces Sampras in the 90s, which means he'll have to play with Sampras' equipments and conditions, while Sampras has to play with Nadal's equipments and conditions as well. I assume that given this scenario, Sampras would likely have done much better than Nadal, who probably will not be able to adjust his game to Sampras' type of racquet. Nadal is probably the best player under modern conditions and equipments, but his game does not translate well to the old and outdated equipment.

That's a bit silly, considering that even among the "old and outdated" equipment, there were racquets that would have suited Nadal much better than the Pro Staff 85. There is very little chance he would have played with an 85 back then. This was already a strange hypothetical, but your condition makes it even weirder.
 
Honestly, imagined scenarios like this thread usually turns out ugly. It's better to start the thread with real facts rather than just imagining Nadal in the 90s or Sampras in the 2000s. We'll never know how Nadal will play with a pro-staff 85 or how prime Sampras will serve with Babolat RPM blast.

Exactly this.

Because, what exactly are we trying to compare?

Are we putting 2010 Nadal through a time machine to travel to 1995? With all his current equipment? In this case, he dominates easily. The baseline for today's athletes and equipment is just higher across the board than it was 20 years ago. It's just not a fair comparison. For example if we put 2014 Nishikori and his equipment in the time machine and sent him back to 1969, he would crush Laver. Does that make him greater than Laver?

Or we sending Nadal back in time naked and alone, so that he has to play with period equipment? (But still he benefits from modern regimen and medical treatments etc)

Or are we changing the past so that Nadal was born in 1966 rather than 1986?

Or are we bringing Sampras into the future so that he can use modern equipment?

Or... you get the point.
 
In the frequent and beaten to death Fed Vs Sampras, it has been pointed out many times that Sampras did not allow his rival to win 2-digit slams. Now there are a few things to ponder upon. First, there is nobody like Nadal in the entire open era, leave alone Sampras era. He has overcome most obstacles thrown at him. Among them, it began with the belief that he won't win a slam beyond clay which he busted at Wimbledon 08. Then, the claim that he won't be winning hard court slams which he demystified at AO09 which is even more remarkable given his dismantling by Tsonga the previous year. The naysayers then happily said no fast USO for him which he did on an even bigger way of the FO-Wimby-USO trio, making him the first ever to win 3 consecutive surface grand slam. Of course, he has since then added one more USO too. Even as all this is read, his FO is not even discussed.

We have two potential ways at looking at Sampras stopping Nadal from winning 2 digit slams: Nadal in 90's and Sampras in 2000's. We first look at the former scenario.

Nadal in 90's
Now, it may be quite true to say that Nadal would not have thrived in the 90's. However, Sampras did leak more than 9 FO's, 2 Wimbledons, 1 AO, and 2 USO's too in the period 1993-2002. To keep things simple, we will again allow Nadal to start at 95 only. If Nadal would have started his FO run at 95, it is not a far stretch to say that he would have got at least 7 FOs. The next thing to look would be the AO considering its slowness more comparable with a FO winner than any other slam. Nadal though does not stop Sampras from both of his AO runs at 94 and 97. However, I don't see Kafelnikov stopping Nadal at 99 AO. This takes his count to 8 slams. Now, regarding the USO, its slightly complex. I firmly believe that Safin won't be stopped by Nadal, though I expect Nadal to triumph at USO 2001 and 2003 as I don't see Hewitt and Roddick stopping Nadal. So what a triumph was for Nadal in 2000's is a loss in the 90's and vice versa, and this will put him at the 2-digit slam count.

Wimbledon needs to be discussed in more details, and I may be criticized a lot here, though I will try to be rational. So does he get the two in the 90's? First of all, I don't see a fierce competitor as Nadal at Wimbledon in the 90's with all due respect to Goran, Rafter, Agassi, et. al. Sampras never had a competitor who was that consistent and none showed up at 5 consecutive finals of there appearance. This is a matter for another day though. Can Nadal stop Krajicek? Now, the next best chance of 2000 though. It might just happen after his string of facing low-ranked opponents, Nadal may be too tough to handle, or may be not. If not for this year, Nadal's 2001 run may be good too. Overall, I think of 96,00,01, Nadal would be winning at least one Wimbledon. To sum up the entire thing, I firmly believe that Nadal would be winning at least 11 slams during 1995-2003. That is, Pete can't stop Nadal from entering the two-digit slam club.

A small deviation though. I often wondered what may have happened if Agassi would have won the 90 and 91 FO finals? Add to the imagination, please remember this is fiction series, that he had started playing AO in 1990 itself. It is not too difficult to then see that Agassi would have crossed 2-digit slam mark himself. In short, I don't think one has to necessarily take slams away from Pete to create another 2-digit slam winner. Similarly, if either of the trio Connors-Mac-Lendl would not be there, may be we would be having another 2-digit slam winner without taking away anything from Borg :)



Sampras in 2000's
For me at least it is not at all difficult to see how Nadal would be more or less having his 14 slams. FO is no contest at all and he keeps all of his 9. No matter what the naysayers say, Fed+Nole is way bigger competition than all of the 90's put together. Nothing, and I mean nothing, counts bigger than this. Again, as in the 90's, Nadal keeps his 09 AO without too much of an argument.

The USO argument actually becomes simpler in this era. Nadal firmly keeps the 2010 even if he faces Pete instead of Nole. Actually, Nole again has a better chance of taking Sampras in the semis (remember its semi final and not finals). Sampras may actually win 2011 USO ala Nole if he were to face Nadal in the final. And even if Sampras would be around 2013, he is not stopping the champion.

The most difficult case still remains Wimbledon and whether Nadal can get two or not? Here, my problem is certainly not Krajicek. It is the continuous assault of Nadal in the finals on the slow courts of 2nd Sunday. Sampras never faced anybody this consistently on the 2nd Sunday, and though he faced Goran 4 times (losing first and winning last 3), it would be similar to facing Roddick. On the one hand, it appears to me that Sampras is not losing 2008 finals, and one of the reasons would be that he won't be mauled badly at the FO 3 weeks ago. I would believe that Sampras would loose either in 07, 09, or 10 and thereby Nadal gets his Wimbledon.

To sum up the story, I feel it is not correct to say that Sampras stops Nadal from winning 2-digit slams. In fact, there was nobody that good in the 90's to be a second two-digit slam winner though Agassi is really close call. A 14-slam (and counting) winner will be a 14 slam winner how-so-ever one slices it. Also, please note, before pulling me up, that Sampras too more-or-less keeps his 14 slams too.

Another way to look at each of Sampras-Fed-Nadal is to look at 10-year period. In their respective 10 years dominant period, Sampras wins 13 slams 93-02, Fed has 17 slams during 03-12, and Nadal 14 (05-14). Nadals remains interesting in that he can still improve by winning 2 slams next year and get to 15 in 06-15, and so on. By this 10-year metric, Fed is most dominant which is contrary to the perception that Sampras and Nadal were more dominant.

Great tome er, thread.

Yes, of course I read it.....
 
Doesn't matter the conditions IMO (except for clay). Pete is a much bigger matchup issue for Nadal than vice versa.

Petes got the deadly 1st serve, GOAT 2nd serve, (Suicide for Nadal because he stands so far back on ROS), Pete isn't afraid to come in and has maybe the best attack game ever, hes COMFORTABLE coming in (unlike Federer who just sits back and has his BH abused all day every day by the Nadal moon ball). Pete doesn't have to stay back. Petes a big heavy hitter who hits with pace, Nadal never liked those types of players.. Pete also isn't gonna let Nadal get into a baseline groove.

Clay- Nadal wins 95-99 percent of the time, Outside of clay (all surfaces include and indoors), Pete wins probably 90 percent of the time

Also, with today's racket technology, Pete's BH would not be NEARLY the liability that it was with that pro staff.

Pete will just be bombing 130-150 MPH serves on the T, while Nadal barely gets the back (if he does that is) and Pete would be right in at the net in seconds to put the point away fast. Rinse.. Repeat
 
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Doesn't matter the conditions IMO (except for clay). Pete is a much bigger matchup issue for Nadal than vice versa.

Petes got the deadly 1st serve, GOAT 2nd serve, (Suicide for Nadal because he stands so far back on ROS), Pete isn't afraid to come in and has maybe the best attack game ever, hes COMFORTABLE coming in (unlike Federer who just sits back and has his BH abused all day every day by the Nadal moon ball). Pete doesn't have to stay back. Petes a big heavy hitter who hits with pace, Nadal never liked those types of players.. Pete also isn't gonna let Nadal get into a baseline groove.

Clay- Nadal wins 95-99 percent of the time, Outside of clay (all surfaces include and indoors), Pete wins probably 90 percent of the time

You never know until you play the matches though. For example, Berdych's game seems to be the perfect counter to Nadal's, even more so than Sampras'. He is really tall, has a super solid backhand, huge flat forehand, and returns and serves very well. But he has been owned by Nadal seventeen (!) times in a row now. Now I'm sure a large part of that is mental, and yes you can't compare Berdych and Sampras, but my point is that you never know how a matchup will go until it actually happens. In this case, it will obviously never happen. We don't really know how Nadal deals with serve and volleyers, since he never/very rarely had to play them after the age of 18. Sampras had to play some guys with Nadal's style, and had mixed results. I think he owned Muster, but was down something like 3-2 to Bruguera (who was probably closer than anyone else to Nadal's style). So basically, there is no way to know. 90% outside of clay is definitely absurd though....
 
Doesn't matter the conditions IMO (except for clay). Pete is a much bigger matchup issue for Nadal than vice versa.

Petes got the deadly 1st serve, GOAT 2nd serve, (Suicide for Nadal because he stands so far back on ROS), Pete isn't afraid to come in and has maybe the best attack game ever, hes COMFORTABLE coming in (unlike Federer who just sits back and has his BH abused all day every day by the Nadal moon ball). Pete doesn't have to stay back. Petes a big heavy hitter who hits with pace, Nadal never liked those types of players.. Pete also isn't gonna let Nadal get into a baseline groove.

Clay- Nadal wins 95-99 percent of the time, Outside of clay (all surfaces include and indoors), Pete wins probably 90 percent of the time

That is the reason I have been very careful while looking at Nadal taking slams away from Pete. Though he has beaten Fed 3 times at AO, I would not bet my money on Nadal beating Sampras. The only thing I can safely say is that Nadal will make his matches vs Sampras very competitive there. In spite of Pete being fabulous on fast courts, I only don't see him stopping Nadal from winning 2-digit slams :)
 
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