optic yellow
Legend
Why did Argentina lose? I mean like how did they look.
3loudboys
G.O.A.T.
The second Saudi goal was class.
optic yellow
Legend
Seriously can someone not explain how it happened?
3loudboys
G.O.A.T.
The power of a motivated, energised and committed team over a collection of extremely talented individuals? I think Argentina will bounce back from this but it is a warning shot.
Aussie Darcy
Bionic Poster
Messi is overrated, missed an easy goal, the team is full of men aged well into their 30's and Saudi Arabia were motivated by the Middle eastern crowd and had the element of surprise. Argentina were incredibly sloppy after half time and never found their groove. They had all the possession as well but were ****. Embarrassing really.
Kralingen
Talk Tennis Guru
Cristian Romero looked like a donkey on both goals, oh what a surprise.. guy takes a vacation with a fake injury for all of November for Spurs just to get fit for the World Cup and looks awful… the irony. **** him.
Messi is the best player I’ve ever seen with my own eyes but it’s getting extremely hard to deny now, the game has never seen a bigger fraud on the big stage
Messi is the best player I’ve ever seen with my own eyes but it’s getting extremely hard to deny now, the game has never seen a bigger fraud on the big stage
optic yellow
Legend
I thought the Saudis and Qataris hated each other though.
optic yellow
Legend
Azure
G.O.A.T.
Me two.
optic yellow
Legend
Oh man just saw the second goal I loved how he pushed away his teammates on the celebration so he could do the gymnastics routine.
3loudboys
G.O.A.T.
Quality finish - deserved the tumbling routine
Kralingen
Talk Tennis Guru
He wasn’t fit today it seems, but he 100% faked injuries for Spurs which is why I’m angry with him
Im(moral) Winner
G.O.A.T.
Always has beenMessi is a fraud?
Sudacafan
Bionic Poster
Same old story. Messi in the National Team has always been subpar. And it’s not the coach, as he had many, all failed with him, it’s him. He’s the weakest star player fighting adversity. Total lackluster. No alternative plans, repeating inefficient patterns all over again.
Seeing what I saw, I think Argentina will be eliminated and won’t advance to play off stage.
Messi can never be compared to Maradona, it’s an insult.
Seeing what I saw, I think Argentina will be eliminated and won’t advance to play off stage.
Messi can never be compared to Maradona, it’s an insult.
3loudboys
G.O.A.T.
Agree with this - Diego destroyed England in '86. Still the best World Cup goal I've ever seen.
Federer and Del Potro
Talk Tennis Guru
Legend of Borg
G.O.A.T.
I get that Messi's international record leaves a lot to be desired and he's struggled to consistently rise to the challenge when facing international teams on the big stage but I don't like how some people are completely dismissing him as a player and trivialising the rest of his insane achievements and talent because of this.
Sudacafan
Bionic Poster
Unfortunately, he deserves all that criticism.
Kralingen
Talk Tennis Guru
i was joking with the whole Fraud thing, but there are some legitimate questions about his international performances that aren’t easily answered. I do think he’s better than Ronaldo overall, but that begs the question, why doesn’t he show it in the biggest moments?
Reading the above perspective from @Sudacafan, an Argentine, brings up one of the interesting parts of the debate. In literally every other single international GOAT debate, a player’s country always stands totally United behind them; Portuguese for Ronaldo, Spanish for Nadal, Swiss for Federer, Serbia for Djokovic.
but in Argentina, his home country, that is not the case for Mr. Lionel Messi. In fact he’s widely criticized, a large number of people believe Maradona is greater and in fact actively argue against Messi. How do we explain that?
Sudacafan
Bionic Poster
Tough luck. The offsides were microscopic but correctly sanctioned. though they would have not been sanctioned in the pre VAR era.
Sudacafan
Bionic Poster
You just answered that: because Maradona is greater, and Messi has always failed in his national team.
Federer and Del Potro
Talk Tennis Guru
Ready for @Kralingen to invalidate all of Lewandowski's achievements now cuz he missed that penalty.
Kralingen
Talk Tennis Guru
To be frank I think Lewandowski is overrated but his lack of international success is only the 4th or 5th reasonReady for @Kralingen to invalidate all of Lewandowski's achievements now cuz he missed that penalty.
Federer and Del Potro
Talk Tennis Guru
RS
Bionic Poster
Poland is a harder team to be successful with tbh.
Messi was in a strong Argentina team with Di Maria and Sergio and Higuain the later two were world class strikers in the day. That being said Messi has still done decent at international level it pales in comparison to Barca so much though.
Messi was in a strong Argentina team with Di Maria and Sergio and Higuain the later two were world class strikers in the day. That being said Messi has still done decent at international level it pales in comparison to Barca so much though.
Federer and Del Potro
Talk Tennis Guru
Hard to feel that bad for Italy when they couldn't even beat North Macedonia.
They should get an automatic spot as continental champions for me, or a reserved place for historic legacy.
Federer and Del Potro
Talk Tennis Guru
I don't really disagree but there's a lot crappier teams I'd take out before Poland, personally.
Definitely agree the inequity in qualifying is a joke though. Iran another one that got to play a bunch of created teams to get here.
Sudacafan
Bionic Poster
Only if you praise Messi.
Federer and Del Potro
Talk Tennis Guru
Don't be scared to - we've already had two of the greatest players of this generation get bashed it can only improve from here.
Just need Mbappe to get called overrated next now.
Kralingen
Talk Tennis Guru
I think people get defenders mostly right, Ramos and Pique best of their generation. Modric as well I think is getting properly rated finally.Who is properly rated if Messi and Lewandowski are overrated?
Overrated: Cristiano (heavily), Messi (slightly less heavily), Salah, Lewandowski, Van Dijk, Gerrard, Casillas, Drogba
Underrated: Bale, Benzema, Neymar, Suarez, Kane, Henry, (peak) Hazard, Rooney, and Kaka
Sudacafan
Bionic Poster
Messi is a Jekyll and Hyde case. He’s good with his club teams, but as soon as he puts on a sky blue and white vertical stripes jersey, he is useless.Who is properly rated if Messi and Lewandowski are overrated?
Poland aren't the worst team out there, just always so dull. Poor teams are OK if you can laugh at them or if they've got spirit, like Wales. Poland go down in the groups without a whimper practically every time. I'd rather someone different had a turn to not be any good.
Sudacafan
Bionic Poster
Very similar to many mid level European countries teams.
I don't know, I think most countries of similar stature are better value. Denmark for instance are usually well-drilled, technically sound and try to play the ball. I thought their match against Tunisia from what I saw of it was quite good despite the lack of goals. Tunisia exceeded my expectations - if France are going to succumb to the holders' curse this time around, it'll be them rather than Australia who go through with Denmark. The Aussies could be in for a bit of a horsing tonight looking at their team.
Azure
G.O.A.T.
He is cute
