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They say the outsole helps the transition between shots but doesn't explain how though...
good speculation. my question is, assuming your guess is correct, what is the disadvantage of the smooth outsole? It definitely increases the surface area which is in contact so why doesn't everyone use it? there has to be some disadvantage right?Assume this is where the "racing" inspired design they reference in some of the intro articles I've seen plays in. That outside half of the outsole that looks relatively smooth seems to be taking from the design of race tires. By being smooth, they are increasing the contact patch between outsole rubber and the ground. This maximizes grip and should allow for more control during quick changes of direction & lateral shifts. Looks like it works in tandem with the other half's sole design that's more focused on stopping and grip in all directions. That's me taking a stab at the "how" behind the design and these look intriguing enough that I'll probably give them a go soon.
Biggest question for me is the longevity of their sugar cane derived midsole. That stuff has become prevalent in trendy, sustainable design shoes like AllBirds but I haven't seen it used in a heavy use sport shoe before.
good speculation. my question is, assuming your guess is correct, what is the disadvantage of the smooth outsole? It definitely increases the surface area which is in contact so why doesn't everyone use it? there has to be some disadvantage right?
Do you have any kind of scale that would give a reading regarding the weight?Had 15% off with a retailer who had them in stock so I pulled the trigger. Should get them by this weekend. Never worn Filas of any kind before so this will be uncharted territory for me.
Do you have any kind of scale that would give a reading regarding the weight?
DAMN! I like it. crazy. There obviously is no rumor of any outsole warranty though right? And you also tried the SpeedServe Energized right?listed at 15.5oz in a size 10.5
1 retailer has it listed with a 6mo sole warranty but nobody else does. Fila's own page has no description of any kind other than the product #. I guess I'll see if a warranty card shows up in the box. I've never used a Fila shoe of any kind before.DAMN! I like it. crazy. There obviously is no rumor of any outsole warranty though right? And you also tried the SpeedServe Energized right?
but always the real question: do they love us back though?I like them
I see what you mean. That Hill 2 shoe is a classic!The blue ones look nice. Reminiscent of the Grant Hill 2 design. Classic Fila.
The blue ones look nice. Reminiscent of the Grant Hill 2 design. Classic Fila.
Looks like a mid-2000’s basketball shoe to me, and I don’t mean that as a compliment. The dimples, the rounded edges… as a Fila fan, it pains me to say this ain’t it.
I see what you mean. That Hill 2 shoe is a classic!
Just an educated guess: The lateral side of the outsole looks completely smooth, but the faint vertical lines are actually vertical cuts 1-2 mm into the rubber to allow for some degree of flexibility and just the right amount of traction.Fair point. One risk is obviously for rec players who may play in less desirable conditions. If the courts are damp or worn, the smoother outsole may lose grip and be more prone to slipping. This is why street cars don't come with slick tires, they have to be more capable of driving in varied conditions. Depending on how the shoe actually plays on court and the balance of maintaining traction vs. allowing you to slide, I could see it either working for someone's movement style or not, with maybe not a lot of in between. At least it's still rubber and not a smooth piece of plastic like what Wilson tried with the Glide. That basically was a leg mangling waiting to happen for average players.
The shape is so sleek, unlike anything else on the market. And looks to be more suited for people with narrow feet. Too bad I just bought a pair of Court FF3s. I’ll have to wait a while to try these unless they go on sale … hope they fly under the radar.
no it doesn't!i wish ...looks to be more suited for people with narrow feet
who's this ? she's super hot
is this shoes good or bad ?I see what you mean. That Hill 2 shoe is a classic!
The Hill 2? Yes, it's good and with a great story. It's even on the cover of a major rap album (even though I am not into rap or hip-hop.)is this shoes good or bad ?
is this as good as most of the light weight super performance shoes like Asics FF2 or adidas barricades or ubersonic 4s?The Hill 2? Yes, it's good and with a great story. It's even on the cover of a major rap album (even though I am not into rap or hip-hop.)
What other models is the toebox width comparable to in the same size?
What other models is the toebox width comparable to in the same size?
Did you say before that the B.Icon 2 was wider (in the toebox) as the Finale, or was it the other way around?I'd describe it as in between B.Icon 2 and Enforce Tour. A bit more roomy than the Diadora but a little more snug than the Mizuno for me. It also has a more flexible upper in the toe box which gives it a bit more room and comfort compared to the Diadora IMO. My size 10 weighed in at 14.93oz
Did you say before that the B.Icon 2 was wider (in the toebox) as the Finale, or was it the other way around?
I understandminutiae
I'll obviously continue to log court time in these but I think Fila may have a sleeper of a hit. Some high level thoughts after my initial run with them for some 5.0 singles:
Pros
Question Marks (not necessarily for me but I think they will matter for some people)
- Zero break in. These things are so comfy right out of the box. Flexible in all the right places yet supportive feeling on court. Shoe fit comfortably snug, meaning my foot felt secure but not cramped or suffocated
- Court feel is outstanding. These feel great on court. Any time a shoe fades away and I forget I'm even wearing it during play, it's a big plus
- Heel lockdown & ankle support is solid. Their "Recaro" fit provides a lot of padding around the ankle and the the heel locks down with plenty of lace to do a runner's loop for extra security if you want it.
- Cushioning. Plenty of impact protection in the heel and the forefoot has just enough to not feel like you're being left completely unprotected.
- I like the half tongue, half sock liner design. The tongue is stitched in until about halfway up and then is a regular detached style. Easy to slip on but the tongue also stays in place really well during play
- Lacing system is easy to adjust and tighten where you like
- Breathability was good. I played on a very humid indoor court and my feet were noticeably less soaked afterward than my recent sessions in B.Icon 2 or Enforce Tour
I came away impressed last night. These things feel quick, supportive and really do offer outstanding control when changing direction. I still have uncertainty over how long the sugarcane midsole and basically "pre worn" outsole pattern will last. But if those things are even average, I'll be picking up more of these. To me, these are pretty much what I would have designed a Zoom Zero 2 to be. I loved the original ZZ but the GP Turbo replacement was very different. The Filas played very similar to the ZZ for me but with upgrades in some of the key areas I would have wanted changed.
- It's definitely a Medium width shoe IMO. People looking for a lot of width may not find what they want
- The arch support is definitely noticeable. First thing I felt when I put it on compared to any other shoe I've used recently.
- Not a max cushion shoe in the forefoot. It's not going to be a GP Turbo or those types of shoes in that regard. Compares favorably to a Vapor/Uber, etc though.
- Shoe makes the most bizarre sound on court I've ever heard. Can't even really describe it. Sounds like a cross between scratching a vinyl record, rubbing satin sheets together and an RC car accelerating
but WHY SAD FACE?!I'm so tempted now
No moneybut WHY SAD FACE?!
There is Wood underneath ?? LOL. won't that make it super heavy ?I'm so tempted now
There is Wood underneath ?? LOL. won't that make it super heavy ?
Not a lot of ppl talk about this, but static weight of shoes is like static weight of racquets. It doesn’t tell the whole story about how heavy it feels on foot. Case in point - ASICS Court FF3 is heavier than the Gel Res 9, but anyone who’s worn it will tell you they feel light on foot.
Or rather, I have money but also a wife and children, so can’t treat myself no moreoh... that sucks
relatable
Or rather, I have money but also a wife and children, so can’t treat myself no more