Final 2 points of the Oz final

[RalphNYC]

Was curious why, when Federer was serving at deuce at 2-5 in the 5th set, when a fan called Fed's backhand out and Fed paused thinking the ball was called out, that they didn't play a let. Such a strange way to go to add-out. The umpire did ask the crowd to not make any more out calls, but the point was not replayed. A fan called the ball out again during the final point of the match, and that too had an impact on play, although arguably less so. I was disappointed that a Grand Slam final would end on crowd interference like that.

 

[Deleted member 3771]

Now you're really getting desperate.And you must have missed the 'official Federer excuses thread part 5" Yawn

get the dvd out and watch the points again.

2nd last point. Nadal rips a clean cross court winner with Fed no where near it. Watch it at 1/4 speed if you need to, Nadal ripped it hard and deep cross court and by the time the ball landed Fed was not near the ball-it would have been impossible for him to react any differently AFTER the ball landed whether he heard an out call or not, he simply wasn't there when it landed.

If your complaint is about someone in the crowd saying something while the ball is flying mid air BEFORE it landed, they're professionals, they play the ball, they cant play a let every time someone in the crowd coughs when the ball is mid air.

On the last point there was no out call by anyone, your dreaming. Some lady screamed a bit in panic while Nadal was hitting the 3nd last shot of Feds which landed deep on Nadal's baseline, but that could only have distracted Nadal not Fed.

Very desperate try Ralph. Nadal beat Fed again in another slam final Because he can

Hope this clears up all of your curiosity's

 

[RalphNYC]

Am simply asking for a ruling on this. I lean neither towards Nadal nor Fed. I watched the match again last night so it's fresh in my mind. The ball was called out and Fed stopped play. Then asked the umpire. Then the umpire asked the crowd not to make out calls. I do think there was another out call in the final point. No matter how you slice it, a very odd finish.

 

[veroniquem]

He he talk about a sore loser... Just swallow the bullet and move on, geez.

 

[RalphNYC]

I didn't lose anything. In fact, I didn't play the finals of Oz. It was Fed vs Nadal. And Nadal won if I recall.

 

[woodrow1029]

Am simply asking for a ruling on this. I lean neither towards Nadal nor Fed. I watched the match again last night so it's fresh in my mind. The ball was called out and Fed stopped play. Then asked the umpire. Then the umpire asked the crowd not to make out calls. I do think there was another out call in the final point. No matter how you slice it, a very odd finish.

On the second to last point, someone in the crowd yelled out. Federer thought it was a line umpire so pretty much stopped playing the point. The crowd yelling out is not something that you replay the point for. The umpire asked them to stop.

On the last point, somebody yelled something, sounded like an "AAHHH" on the close baseline ball. Was not an out call. The ruling was correct.

 

[Sentinel]

Aah so that's the real reason that federer lost. The finals should be replayed, really.

The cameras showed that it was TheNatch and Veron in the crowds trying desperately to get Nadal to win !!! Oh, the injustice of it all !!!

 

[Deleted member 3771]

no probs.

Geez you're as stubborn as Fed .I just explained precisely what happened in those two points to you. You can come over and watch it in slow motion if you want.

Hope its all clear now that I explained it. I have the benefit of seeing it live and also of just having replayed it a few times to see precisely what happened perfectly clearly. But I can understand how you may have made a mistake after just seeing it happen for a split second live.The memory can sometimes deceive a bit.

So no more need to think , wander and second guess what you saw I explained it perfectly for you.

V is for Victory

Am simply asking for a ruling on this. I lean neither towards Nadal nor Fed. I watched the match again last night so it's fresh in my mind. The ball was called out and Fed stopped play. Then asked the umpire. Then the umpire asked the crowd not to make out calls. I do think there was another out call in the final point. No matter how you slice it, a very odd finish.

 

[edberg505]

On the second to last point, someone in the crowd yelled out. Federer thought it was a line umpire so pretty much stopped playing the point. The crowd yelling out is not something that you replay the point for. The umpire asked them to stop.

On the last point, somebody yelled something, sounded like an "AAHHH" on the close baseline ball. Was not an out call. The ruling was correct.

Ding, ding, ding, ding, ding. Ladies and Gents we have a correct answer. Nobody is saying those 2 points affected the outcome of the match, but this is indeed what happened. And no they don't play a let for someone calling a ball out during a point. Just ask Nalbandian.

 

[zagor]

Ding, ding, ding, ding, ding. Ladies and Gents we have a correct answer. Nobody is saying those 2 points affected the outcome of the match, but this is indeed what happened. And no they don't play a let for someone calling a ball out during a point. Just ask Nalbandian.

That one was worse given that it was on MP.I think the crowd bothers players most when someone from the crowd yells "out" as that really breakes their concentration,they can deal better with whatever noise but that is the line that shouldn't be crossed IMO.

And no,of course it didn't affect the outcome of the match,Fed was gonna lose the match anyway at that point,that was obvious unfortunately.But I still don't condone that sort of behaviour from the crowd(and I feel the same way when that happens during any match).

 

[GrassCourtFan]

They never stop play when someone in the crowd yells out.

It happens sometimes.

The player should block the crowd out. It's not practical to replay the point every time someone from the crowd distracts the player - heck, that sort of rule would *encourage* the crowd to get involved...

 

[Moose Malloy]

That one was worse given that it was on MP.

No it wasn't. Its sort of odd how so many seem to 'misremember' details of that match. It was on a point early in the 3rd set tiebreak(& Nalbandian was not ahead in the tb, so even if he won that point, its a very big stretch to say he would have won the match. He had only one mp, on Roddick's serve in the tiebreak. And Roddick hit a 138 mph service winner on that match point, with no complaints from Nalbandian)

But what I find strange on both nalbandian & federer's compaints, was that the call was not on their side of the court. Which means that they both thought that their shot was called out, meaning that they thought they lost the point.

Nadal & Roddick are the ones who should have been more distracted by those out calls(& I've seen many players stop in situations where they hear an out call, & go nuts - Rusedski comes to mind. Or Murray at last year's USO final??), since they are the ones trying to hit a shot as that call is made.

Its sort of odd for someone on the other side to demand to play a let, since the call didn't affect their shot, but a later shot (and Roddick hit a really crappy shot on that shot, I doubt Nalbandian would have complained had he hit a winner on the next shot - which he really should have)

I wonder if Fed would have been sympathetic if it was nadal who stopped play instead. but with shotspot, nadal probably would've been proven right, so again, I don't get why Fed was upset. and fans had been crying out a lot louder on many close shots throughout the match, Fed didn't stop play on those. I think he was just mentally out of it at that point.

 

[danb]

Was curious why, when Federer was serving at deuce at 2-5 in the 5th set, when a fan called Fed's backhand out and Fed paused thinking the ball was called out, that they didn't play a let. Such a strange way to go to add-out. The umpire did ask the crowd to not make any more out calls, but the point was not replayed. A fan called the ball out again during the final point of the match, and that too had an impact on play, although arguably less so. I was disappointed that a Grand Slam final would end on crowd interference like that.

Yet another excuse...

 

[danb]

Aah so that's the real reason that federer lost. The finals should be replayed, really.

The cameras showed that it was TheNatch and Veron in the crowds trying desperately to get Nadal to win !!! Oh, the injustice of it all !!!

Yes - it should be replayed. This time will be Nadal in straight sets. Then Fed cries even more and starts another tantrum.
That would be so much better!
:roll::roll::roll:

 

[zagor]

No it wasn't. Its sort of odd how so many seem to 'misremember' details of that match. It was on a point early in the 3rd set tiebreak(& Nalbandian was not ahead in the tb, so even if he won that point, its a very big stretch to say he would have won the match. He had only one mp, on Roddick's serve in the tiebreak. And Roddick hit a 138 mph service winner on that match point, with no complaints from Nalbandian)

But what I find strange on both nalbandian & federer's compaints, was that the call was not on their side of the court. Which means that they both thought that their shot was called out, meaning that they thought they lost the point.

Nadal & Roddick are the ones who should have been more distracted by those out calls(& I've seen many players stop in situations where they hear an out call, & go nuts - Rusedski comes to mind. Or Murray at last year's USO final??), since they are the ones trying to hit a shot as that call is made.

Its sort of odd for someone on the other side to demand to play a let, since the call didn't affect their shot, but a later shot (and Roddick hit a really crappy shot on that shot, I doubt Nalbandian would have complained had he hit a winner on the next shot - which he was in very good position to)

I wonder if Fed would have been sympathetic if it was nadal who stopped play instead. but with shotspot, nadal probably would've been proven right, so again, I don't get why Fed was upset. and fans had been crying out a lot louder on many close shots throughout the match, Fed didn't seem to stop play on those. I think he was just mentally out of it at that point.

The main reason he was upset was because the match was slipping away,because of his missed chances throughout the whole match and his bad level of play in the fifth set,he just imploded mentally at that point.But I still think that crowd yelling "out" on a shot can break player's concentration much easily than if they're just making random noise in general.

As for Roddick-Nalbandian,I stand corrected,I thought it was on MP.I don't have the best memory for matches anyway(unless I record them and watch them multiple times)and that match was more than 6 years ago now.

 

[mikeler]

I'm a Fed fan, but he had no shot at that ball.

 

[ksbh]

Folks, the problem is because Federer thought that call was made by a linesman and not someone from the crowd.

While playing, Federer is not looking at the linesmen ... he's looking at the ball & his opponent. There's no way for him to tell if the out call is made by the linesman or some moron in the crowd. Federer was right to be upset about it.

 

[Kelcher]

For cryin' out loud, it's a legitimate question. Why's everyone around here gotta see everything through their adoration of their own players and hatred of the opponent.

I've never seen a let called on a play like that (when a fan called Fed's ball out on the second to last shot of the deuce rally). I think it could be argued that it should be called a let in some cases, but I imagine that that would leave it open for fans to interfere whenever they thought they could benefit their own players by doing so.

The last point wasn't so much an out call as a scream from the audience. It was disappointing that the last two points had fans playing a role.

For the record, I was pulling for Nadal.

 

[Dash]

The main reason he was upset was because the match was slipping away,because of his missed chances throughout the whole match and his bad level of play in the fifth set,he just imploded mentally at that point.But I still think that crowd yelling "out" on a shot can break player's concentration much easily than if they're just making random noise in general.

As for Roddick-Nalbandian,I stand corrected,I thought it was on MP.I don't have the best memory for matches anyway(unless I record them and watch them multiple times)and that match was more than 6 years ago now.

I do remember it was a MP. Roddick hit a floating short ball which landed on the side line and jumped pretty high. Nalbandian got there with plenty of time to make an easy fh kill, however, he didn't play the ball when a fan yelled "out". That year was Andy's year.

 

[Dash]

Agree with you. I watched it again. The "out" was called after Nadal's shot almost passed the net. It was a deep cross court shot, which I thought it would land out. I don't think the "out" was called by Nadal's fan on Roger's previous shot, a BH down the line, which was clear in and Roger knew that 100%. Instead, it was called by Roger's fan, who wished Nadal missed his shot. Roger was out of position to retrieve that shot and he seemed to slow down and wish the ball was out as well.

Now you're really getting desperate.And you must have missed the 'official Federer excuses thread part 5" Yawn

get the dvd out and watch the points again.

2nd last point. Nadal rips a clean cross court winner with Fed no where near it. Watch it at 1/4 speed if you need to, Nadal ripped it hard and deep cross court and by the time the ball landed Fed was not near the ball-it would have been impossible for him to react any differently AFTER the ball landed whether he heard an out call or not, he simply wasn't there when it landed.

If your complaint is about someone in the crowd saying something while the ball is flying mid air BEFORE it landed, they're professionals, they play the ball, they cant play a let every time someone in the crowd coughs when the ball is mid air.

On the last point there was no out call by anyone, your dreaming. Some lady screamed a bit in panic while Nadal was hitting the 3nd last shot of Feds which landed deep on Nadal's baseline, but that could only have distracted Nadal not Fed.

Very desperate try Ralph. Nadal beat Fed again in another slam final Because he can

Hope this clears up all of your curiosity's

 

[RalphNYC]

If a player hears a very clear and loud out call within a reasonably short time from his ball landing on the opponents side, what happens if he completely stops his play? Could he then be given a let in some cases (assuming the ball was in)?

 

[Dash]

If a player hears a very clear and loud out call within a reasonably short time from his ball landing on the opponents side, what happens if he completely stops his play? Could he then be given a let in some cases (assuming the ball was in)?

I don't think so. They are professionals and most of the times they can tell whether the call is made by someone in the stands or not, unless a jerk sits in the front row and near where linesman stands. This is not the first time it happens. So, they should know don't stop playing unless you think the ball is out. Then if it is not called by the linesman, you can challenge.

 

[woodrow1029]

If a player hears a very clear and loud out call within a reasonably short time from his ball landing on the opponents side, what happens if he completely stops his play? Could he then be given a let in some cases (assuming the ball was in)?

Ralph, I, along with several others, have already told you that the ruling is correct. But, since you refuse to listen to anyone, here is straight from the ATP rulebook. Even though this situation happened in an ITF tournament, the rule is the same at all levels of tennis.

Spectator Noise
Case: ​

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During play an “out ”call is made by a spectator. The player
stops playing and claims hindrance.​

Decision: ​

​

The point stands as played.​

 

[RalphNYC]

Ralph, I, along with several others, have already told you that the ruling is correct. But, since you refuse to listen to anyone

Not refusing to listen. I added the information that a player completely stops upon hearing the call - this wasn't brought up before. It was still unclear to me whether it made any difference that Fed took some steps towards the ball, rather than completely stopping. I see now that it doesn't make a difference. The rule is very clear. And I thought the guitar forums I belong to were bad in terms of floggings doled out...

 

[Sentinel]

Yes - it should be replayed. This time will be Nadal in straight sets. Then Fed cries even more and starts another tantrum.
That would be so much better!
:roll::roll::roll:

oh snap! *kicks self in shin* Did not see that coming !

In any case, I dont think replaying the point would have made much difference. I totally agree that Rafa would have won in three were it not for that marathon the previous day.

Actually Fed could have won on that day, but I think he expected a dead Nadal to come and limp around and retire. He must have been shokced to lose the first and then thought "what the heck, nadal will retire in the second".

Possibly, he had already decided the match was his and come in for a warmup session. What a shock it must have been!

I think this has happened before too -- Henin vs Bartoli. Never underestimate your opponent !