Final slam tally : Nadal 26, Fed 21, Djoker 18

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Nadal will win 3 more FO, 2 more USO, 1 more Wimbledon and 1 more AO

Fed will win a miracle 9th Wimbledon beating Djoker in 2020 final 63 64 64 (he should retire on the spot, prob won’t)

Djoker will win 1 more AO and 1 more USO

Djoker will struggle most v new gen types eg Tsitsipas (will win about 8 slams himself)
 
Its very hard to place a limit on Rafa's slam total, because the man keeps coming back to the mountain top :)
Nobody can say with certainty what his limit is, between 25-30 slams I guess.
 
Whisper said:
Nadal will win 3 more FO, 2 more USO, 1 more Wimbledon and 1 more AO

Fed will win a miracle 9th Wimbledon beating Djoker in 2020 final 63 64 64 (he should retire on the spot, prob won’t)

Djoker will win 1 more AO and 1 more USO

Djoker will struggle most v new gen types eg Tsitsipas (will win about 8 slams himself)
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Lots of assumptions
 
Amazing that Nadal can be yr-end No.1 again 11 years after he 1st did it. Even Federer is amazed at this achievement.
 
ForehandRF said:
7 more slams for Rafa ? That's wishful thinking considering his age.
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It sounds unrealistic and probably is, but we've been saying that about these guys for years, and they keep rewriting the rules of what's supposed to be possible. Nadal in particular isn't even supposed to still be here, yet he looks as fresh and motivated as ever. If he manages his schedule smartly and avoids any severe injury, who knows how long he had left at the highest level.

I can't see Nadal winning that many and Djokovic only winning two more though. Though these things are hard to predict, abd it's true that NextGen trouble Djokovic more.

It's possible that one or two of the NextGen will reach Super-Saiyan mode and stop preventing even Rafa at slams in the next 2-3 years. But for now, Rafa looks like he still has time, and he may stay favorite at the French for longer than anyone thinks possible.
 
aditya123 said:
Are you serious???????
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Yes. Fed has played great this yr when you look at it objectively. He’s using all his experience to get through matches quickly eg even at FO he made semis without dropping a set, beat Rafa in a very clever match at Wimbledon, crushed Djoker at ATP finals in a huge match for Djoker (trying to get yr end No.1). He’ll go into this year in same vein and things will pan out for him this time at Wimbledon. Djoker will be tight going for 3 straight Wimbledon’s, 6 overall, & a 4th win over Fed in final. Fed will have very little pressure and play perfect grass court tennis to cap his career.
 
Whisper said:
Yes. Fed has played great this yr when you look at it objectively. He’s using all his experience to get through matches quickly eg even at FO he made semis without dropping a set, beat Rafa in a very clever match at Wimbledon, crushed Djoker at ATP finals in a huge match for Djoker (trying to get yr end No.1). He’ll go into this year in same vein and things will pan out for him this time at Wimbledon. Djoker will be tight going for 3 straight Wimbledon’s, 6 overall, & a 4th win over Fed in final. Fed will have very little pressure and play perfect grass court tennis to cap his career.
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Agree with fed part.... I was questioning your calendar slam prediction
 
octogon said:
It sounds unrealistic and probably is, but we've been saying that about these guys for years, and they keep rewriting the rules of what's supposed to be possible. Nadal in particular isn't even supposed to still be here, yet he looks as fresh and motivated as ever. If he manages his schedule smartly and avoids any severe injury, who knows how long he had left at the highest level.

I can't see Nadal winning that many and Djokovic only winning two more though. Though these things are hard to predict, abd it's true that NextGen trouble Djokovic more.

It's possible that one or two of the NextGen will reach Super-Saiyan mode and stop preventing even Rafa at slams in the next 2-3 years. But for now, Rafa looks like he still has time, and he may stay favorite at the French for longer than anyone thinks possible.
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Yeah, but time is not on his side and from now on an injury can appear out of nowhere.At the French, even if he comes back from retirement at 45, you can't bet against him :D
 
aditya123 said:
Tell me abt your gut feeling..how did it work out in the past???? What is the Probability based on your past results???
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I have a great success rate. In 2003 I predicted Nadal would win career slam. I also predicted Nadal to beat Fed 60 63 60 in 2008 FO final, and 64 64 63 in 2008 Wimbledon final - this almost happened as Nadal led 64 64 43 and had Fed down 0-40. Fed held that game, but Rafa held to love in next game. so close : )

I have many other predictions
 
aditya123 said:
Agree with fed part.... I was questioning your calendar slam prediction
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Nadal ain't gonna win the calander slam, but in theory, he's become consistent enough to do it. He goes deep in every slam and excels at the French and US Open. At Australia and Wimbledon in the last few seasons, he's only been stopped by Federer and Djokovic at their pet slams. If Nadal manages to avoid them, the calender slam is actually possible for him.

But too much would need to go right for it to happen. Plus he'd need to avoid an injury. Even a small injury can finish his chances at a slam.Lots of luck involved, so I don"t see it.
 
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octogon said:
It's best to underpromise and overdeliver. Lol!

Rafa has been doing that his whole career.
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If I was a professional tennis player I'd underpromise too :)
Not that I promised Rafa would win the calendar slam anyway, but he definitely can.
I think most people on this forum are aware that Rafa can win the calendar slam.
 
Whisper said:
I have a great success rate. In 2003 I predicted Nadal would win career slam. I also predicted Nadal to beat Fed 60 63 60 in 2008 FO final, and 64 64 63 in 2008 Wimbledon final - this almost happened as Nadal led 64 64 43 and had Fed down 0-40. Fed held that game, but Rafa held to love in next game. so close : )

I have many other predictions
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The real question is: do you keep track of how many predictions you got wrong?
If you don't then I can do it for you, and I'm starting with the following:
Whisper said:
Nadal will win 3 more FO, 2 more USO, 1 more Wimbledon and 1 more AO

Fed will win a miracle 9th Wimbledon beating Djoker in 2020 final 63 64 64 (he should retire on the spot, prob won’t)

Djoker will win 1 more AO and 1 more USO

Djoker will struggle most v new gen types eg Tsitsipas (will win about 8 slams himself)
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Whisper said:
Nadal will win 3 more FO, 2 more USO, 1 more Wimbledon and 1 more AO

Fed will win a miracle 9th Wimbledon beating Djoker in 2020 final 63 64 64 (he should retire on the spot, prob won’t)

Djoker will win 1 more AO and 1 more USO

Djoker will struggle most v new gen types eg Tsitsipas (will win about 8 slams himself)
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Listen, 3 FO on its own is pushing it, but I could accept that as a legitimate prediction. 7 slams is nothing short of ludicrous.

A handful of FO and maybe 1 slam outside RG, that's a prediction. This is a pipe dream. On top of that, you have Fed beating Djokovic in single-break straight sets in a Wimbledon final - where Djokovic has beaten Fed 3-0 to date, with 3 of the last 5 sets they played at Wimbledon being tiebreaks. Not as bad of a pipe dream, but seems optimistic at least.

Then you have Djokovic winning only 2 more slams, which is entirely within the realm of possibility. No flights of fancy for our resident Serb?

Then you predict Tsitsipas will become an ATG with very little evidence. Come on, man. If Tsitsipas is going to become an ATG, he'll need to be able to beat a 34+ year old Rafa at slams, let alone let him win 7 more.
 
aditya123 said:
Agree with fed part.... I was questioning your calendar slam prediction
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Yes, very comfortable with 25% chance to win calendar slam. He was in beast mode in AO this yr, winning 6 easy straight set matches before getting crushed by Djoker in the final. Djoker imo played probably his best match in that final, & Nadal was definitely intimidated mentally. Surprising to see. This year will be similar for Nadal, but maybe Djoker will get upset by Tsitsipas earlier. Rafa could win FO without dropping a set, maybe 1 or 2 - similar to this yr. Rafa has underperformed at Wimbledon & with a bit of luck should have 2 more titles. in 2020 I think Fed will be fave, but if he falters (Tsitsipas spoiler again?) Rafa will be fave over a tight Djoker. Rafa will turn on his beast mode if he goes into USO with a chance at immortality. This would cement his superiority over Fed/Djoker for good & consensus goat status. Still, 75% chance it won't happen, but 25% means we should all keep it in the back of our minds as a real possibility. Prob not worth discussing seriously unless he wins AO : )

Rafa is not as bothered by new gen as much as Djoker/Fed - eg he leads Tsitsipas 5-1, but Fed/Djoker are both 2-2 against him.
 
Whisper said:
Yes, very comfortable with 25% chance to win calendar slam.
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with 25% chance you can go to japan to see the cherry blossoms, but with nadal to win calendar slam it's 0,25% would be very comfortable
 
alexio88 said:
with 25% chance you can go to japan to see the cherry blossoms, but with nadal to win calendar slam it's 0,25% would be very comfortable
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It's a fluke Nadal has only won 1 AO. He led Djoker 4-2 in 5th set final 2012 with an easy bh to lead 5-2 - hit top of the net. In 2017 he led Fed 3-1 in 5th. V Stan he was injured but played through it. This yr he crushed everyone except Djoker. Similar story at Wimbledon - lost a couple marathon 5 setters that cost him 2 titles at least. 2020 could be the yr all the luck breaks his way & he becomes undisputed goat. 25% chance. Take it to the bank.
 
Whisper said:
It's a fluke Nadal has only won 1 AO. He led Djoker 4-2 in 5th set final 2012 with an easy bh to lead 5-2 - hit top of the net. In 2017 he led Fed 3-1 in 5th. V Stan he was injured but played through it. This yr he crushed everyone except Djoker. Similar story at Wimbledon - lost a couple marathon 5 setters that cost him 2 titles at least. 2020 could be the yr all the luck breaks his way & he becomes undisputed goat. 25% chance. Take it to the bank.
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the sage possesses the outstanding power, thanks a lot for the revelation
 
I predict that Rafa will want to play until the 2024 Olympics in Paris where he would possibly still have the best chance of winning The Olympic Gold for men's tennis for Spain at Roland Garros.

If his body allows it, that is a max of 20 more slams to compete for. 7/20 feels like a very ambitious strike rate with Fed and Djokovic still active and next next gen coming on stream. 4 or 5 more slams I think is more likely. 3-4 more French Open plus 1 or 2 more USO is my best guess.
 
The only chance Rafa has of retiring in 2024 is if he's no longer a slam contender.
Because Rafa has repeatedly said he'd keep playing for as long as he's a slam contender :)
Does anyone seriously think he won't be a slam contender in 2024?
Unless he has a career-ending injury, he'll be a slam contender in 2024.
Rafa's skills are improving each year, and he's still one of the most athletic.
 
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Nadal would have to replicate his last five years in terms of majors won to go from 19 to 26. Tough feat indeed. I’d say 22-23 total majors won is quite reachable, albeit difficult. I’d be surprised if he is done anytime soon. I do think Federer could possibly add to his total and think it’ll be Nadal and Djokovic battling for #1 at least for a couple more years.
 
Whisper said:
Nadal will win 3 more FO, 2 more USO, 1 more Wimbledon and 1 more AO

Fed will win a miracle 9th Wimbledon beating Djoker in 2020 final 63 64 64 (he should retire on the spot, prob won’t)

Djoker will win 1 more AO and 1 more USO

Djoker will struggle most v new gen types eg Tsitsipas (will win about 8 slams himself)
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You're no @Checkmate

Nadal will win 11 more French Opens (no other slams though) and cement himself as the last clay court player ever needed/wanted. Attendance at that point will be so low RG will be relegated to a 250 event.
 
Shaolin said:
You're no @Checkmate

Nadal will win 11 more French Opens (no other slams though) and cement himself as the last clay court player ever needed/wanted. Attendance at that point will be so low RG will be relegated to a 250 event.
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The best players rise to the top on clay more than any other surface :)

Australian Open 2019, Quarter-Finals = 1, 2, 8, 14, 16, 22, 28, unseeded
Australian Open 2019, Semi-finals = 1, 2, 14, 28

Roland Garros 2019, Quarter-Finals = 1, 2, 3, 4, 5, 7, 10, 24
Roland Garros 2019, Semi-Finals = 1, 2, 3, 4

Wimbledon 2019, Quarter-Finals = 1, 2, 3, 8, 21, 23, 26, unseeded
Wimbledon 2019, Semi-Finals = 1, 2, 3, 23

US Open 2019, Quarter-Finals = 2, 3, 5, 13, 20, 23, 24, unseeded
US Open 2019, Semi-finals = 2, 5, 24, unseeded

And the only top 8 seeds to miss the Roland Garros QF was Tsitsipas (lost to French Open Champ Wawrinka-24) and Del Potro (lost to rising star Khachanov-10).
 
In 1990 I predicted Sampras would win 13 slams, Graf 25. In 2003 I predicted Nadal would win career slam & more FO than Borg. Many other predictions I can dig out that will blow yout mind.
 
Predictions are easy, because people make them all the time, so you can make 50 wrong predictions and 5 correct predictions and still sound impressive because of the 5 :)
At the most I only attempt 1 or 2 predictions per year, and some years I didn't even bother to make a prediction, because there is no reward for making a prediction.
 
Nadal will win one more FO and another hard court Slam to just sneak past Fed. Fed wont win any more. Djoko will finish at 19.
 
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I think Rafa will sneak past Federer this year, and then Rafa will really turn up the heat and become a hardcourt machine.....hopefully winning the AO to complete the Double Career Grand Slam :)
I'd also keep an eye on Rafa at Wimbledon, because there isn't much depth at Wimbledon these days, so Rafa has a good shot at winning Wimbledon again in the next 5 years.
Also, Thiem has shown no signs of overcoming Rafa at Roland Garros.
 
In 2006 I said Federer was making a big mistake for not developing a strong serve volley game. His reasons for not going out of his comfort zone were logical - ie his game at the time was good enough to beat everyone except Nadal. I thought he would be better served in the long run by losing a few more meaningless non-slam matches if it meant he could master Nadal. There was no way he was going to win the baseline battle v Rafa, and I figured Nadal would come out on top by career end. Fed doesn’t have a lot of weaknesses, but the couple he does have will cost him dearly legacy wise.
 
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