FINALLY, a journalist hits the nail on the head: Why is America so angry?

kabob

Hall of Fame
This guy is my hero. He articulated exactly what I think is at the heart of the issue and the backlash behind Serena Williams' tirade last night.

http://sports.espn.go.com/sports/tennis/usopen09/columns/story?columnist=macgregor_jeff&id=4469988

What has happened to civility?

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By Jeff MacGregor
ESPN.com

Another altogether angry week ends in America.

From the floor of the House of Representatives to the streets of Washington, D.C., to center court at the U.S. Open, there's been an awful lot of yelling and upset.

Online and on newsstands and on sports fronts this morning from CNN to Le Monde to der Stern, from the Guardian to The Times to Corriere della Sera, there appeared the news of the upset of the night, Kim Clijsters over Serena Williams.

And, by now, even the sleepiest among you surely know that a questionable call on a foot fault led to a spectacular tantrum, which then led Williams to be penalized match point. Clijsters has moved on.

The awful moment itself is now being characterized as an "obscene tirade." Having seen the tape, we can all count on that phrase being modified to include the words "spittle-flecked invective" some time -- the salaried handwringers and moralizing gasbags of the sports world being nothing if not predictable. They'll be weighing in with the conventional wisdom as soon as they return from Sunday brunch. In the meantime, unmoderated comment strings worldwide are plucked and resonate with the hateful convictions of racists in every time zone. [<--- Sound familiar?? :lol:]

All in all, a less-than-great occasion for humanity.

But symmetrical somehow at the end of such a weird and angry week. That million-tea-bag protest march on Washington on Saturday was an object lesson in the sums of our pent-up frustration. Over what, specifically, I remain unsure. The pickets and the banners spoke to many issues and many convictions. Still, the anger seemed real enough, broad if not deep, and it is after all our inalienable right to air our political upsets in public.

In much the same way, the tantrum, the fit, the outburst, the racket thrown and broken in anger are absolute rights and fixtures of big-time tennis.

Just Saturday, to fill a few minutes during that interminable rain delay, CBS was showing tape of the 1979 U.S. Open. Highlighted was the famous match between John McEnroe and Ilie Nastase during which Nasty and the chair umpire both got tossed, and the lunatic crowd was on the brink of violent revolt.

It was all looked back upon with warmth and fondness.


McEnroe, of course, is now much beloved for the very behavior so roundly condemned in Williams. Ask yourself what larger cultural currents might factor into such a thing.

Which brings us to Addison Graves Wilson, aka "Joe Wilson." If you're hearing that name for the first time, you're excused if your first thought was of the volleyball from the movie "Castaway."

Wilson is a congressman from South Carolina. It was he who cried out "You lie!" from the floor of the House during the president's address to Congress last week. He promptly apologized and chalked the whole thing up to anger, to a temper lost in the heat of a passionate moment.

Since then, however, he has become something of a hero to the aforementioned "Tea Bag Right" (patent pending) and has spent a very great deal of time talking about himself on cable television. So of course he's begun walking back that first apology. In fact, as of this morning, he is refusing to apologize any further -- in language so adamant it sounds a lot as if he's rescinding the original apology.


No matter what she says or does, Serena Williams will never be fully absolved of her on-the-court meltdown.

I mention this in regard to Williams, because for her outburst in the middle of a tennis match, a game, an entertainment in which nothing is at stake but her own success, people in my business and out of it are calling for very harsh penalties on behalf of temperance and politesse and etiquette.

When someone hits the right honorable Congressman Puddn'head Wilson with a fine and suspension for having lost his temper at work, I'll grant you the absolute necessity of doing likewise to Williams.



What all these angry moments seem to share in common is that 21st-century sense of our aggrieved American entitlement, the bone-deep conviction that every event and circumstance must conform to our individual needs and wants and appetites. That the cockeyed birthright of every generation is now a star-spangled universe bending only in the direction of our personal gratification. That there is no higher calling than our own self-esteem, no greater cause than our own preening regard. That there is nothing we can't say or do in service of our own selfishness and vanity and enrichment, and that the very turning of the Earth is the promise and guarantee of our success.

All day today, and into the week, and likely for the rest of her career, we'll ask that Williams somehow account and atone for this angry, ugly moment. In ways both naked and subtle, contrived and subconscious, we'll demand a lifetime of apologies and answers, knowing full well that neither will ever suffice.

And as always, by failing to look in the mirror, we'll ensure that no comfort anywhere ever comes of this to anyone.

Bravo!
 

shinta

Rookie
I'm sorry, but yelling "You lie!" is a lot different from yelling, "I'm going to f... shove this f... ball down your f... throat!" The fact that he even tries to equate the two is almost comical.
 

Chadwixx

Banned
The awful moment itself is now being characterized as an "obscene tirade."

Duh? I dont think anyone called differently live. Whats with the "now"

It also fails to detail what she did, playing it off.

Should email that guys boss and complain about his lack journalism and race baiting.

He mentions the guy calling obama a liar (which he is) more than serena physically threatening the lineslady.

Terrible, 1 star
 

ollinger

G.O.A.T.
I don't buy the thesis that Americans are particularly angry or that our politics are particularly uncivil. In countless countries in this world political leaders have the opposition murdered or jailed and countries sink into chaos when an election is inconclusive. All of this makes one guy yelling out "you lie" seem a little trivial. Over 100 journalists in Russia have disappeared unter Putin. China and most authoritarian regimes in the world suffer opposition un-gladly. The greatest tribute to the (relative) civility of American culture was the 2000 election, when the country endured weeks of indecision and high-stakes debate with no rioting in the streets, no tanks rumbling through the streets, no civil disturbance whatsoever, and ultimate (albeit begrudging) respect for the process and the outcome. And Serena Williams?? Oh please. I prefer her tirades to Lleyton Hewitt screaming about the race of a linesman or Ilie Nastase screaming about absolutely anything.
 

DaMiBru

New User
Exactly, our personal egos are the very fabric of our profound judgement. Whoe to whom who dares to disagree, or even worse, who dares to act outside our cramped behavioral pattern! Ooh what a sin. Serena is however active in an invironment totally different that than Joe "Archie Bunker" Wilson. No comparison there. I'm a tennis fan with a healthy allergy for politics. What I can say is that calling out our president is just wrong. But this is a tennis forum!
 

JankovicFan

Semi-Pro
Equating Serena's behavior to other incidents is lame. Fail! She did it too, as if she had some sort of entitlement based on either precedent or some fairness notion of how a white person would be treated. It is hard to get past that victim mentality.
 

Nadalfan89

Hall of Fame
Way to try and push a political agenda in a tennis forum.

America is the last remaining superpower because of that very same aggressive attitude.
 
American politics is actually tame compared with European or Asian ones, like Britain or japan.

And Venus is the opposite of Serena, very quiet, mature player. So it's not about America.

I will admit we are arrogant *******s sometimes though.
 

Chadwixx

Banned
I mean how unprofessional is this guy? He writes for espn, not the times. People like jordan alot, but didnt know how he voted. You alienate half your audience when you discuss things like that.

He is more personally motivated than professionally.
 

myservenow

Semi-Pro
Oh the irony!

Here is an article decrying the lack of civilty (and presence of anger) in the culture, politics, and sport of the United States. Everyone is bitter or racist except the article's author and Serena, who is just misunderstood. It is his job to point out all of our faults.

In the process, he proceeds to smear, with abject uncivility and mean-spiritedness, a mass of people in the United States with whom he disagrees politically. To use the term "tea baggers" is to take a pot shot at others because of their beliefs. It is trying to shame these people for their political beliefs. It is the lowest form of free speech. Instead of rationally challenging your viewpoint, I will simply call you names and ridicule you. The author engages in the exact conduct he condemns in his article.

Same for his dislike of Joe Wilson. The author simply disrespects Wilson while writing a piece about how wrong it is that Wilson (and everyone else in the United States) was/is disrespectful and angry.
 

edmondsm

Legend
And a sports journalist over-dramatizes again, as sports journalists tend to do. This guy is trying to pretend like he is reporting on some exceptional moment in American history, but this is not the first time that there has been a lot of anger over something in our country. There was anger during the American Revolution, Civil War, Industrial Revolution, WWI, WWII, Civil Rights Movement, Vietnam War, Cold War, etc. And we will be angry again many more times over many different things.

Here's what happened: A tennis player flipped out at an inopportune time. Let's try not to make this into a issue of geopolitics or national security. Sheesh....
 

alienhamster

Hall of Fame
I don't buy the thesis that Americans are particularly angry or that our politics are particularly uncivil. In countless countries in this world political leaders have the opposition murdered or jailed and countries sink into chaos when an election is inconclusive. All of this makes one guy yelling out "you lie" seem a little trivial. Over 100 journalists in Russia have disappeared unter Putin. China and most authoritarian regimes in the world suffer opposition un-gladly. The greatest tribute to the (relative) civility of American culture was the 2000 election, when the country endured weeks of indecision and high-stakes debate with no rioting in the streets, no tanks rumbling through the streets, no civil disturbance whatsoever, and ultimate (albeit begrudging) respect for the process and the outcome. And Serena Williams?? Oh please. I prefer her tirades to Lleyton Hewitt screaming about the race of a linesman or Ilie Nastase screaming about absolutely anything.

Agree. I don't think we (the US) are uniquely angry. But I do think we are angry/irrational a lot, much more than we ought to be in contexts that demand rational behavior.
 

West Coast Ace

G.O.A.T.
What a hack! Comparing these two incidents is hysterical. Not even close - as others have mentioned because of the menacing behavior by Serena - the guy stayed in his seat and didn't say "stop lying or I'll stuff this $(*&%*$% bag of lobbbyist $$$$ down your )$(%)(*$% throat! And where's your birth certificate?"

I still say, like the OJ 'problem' on Bundy, the Race Card is totally out of line. If this were - and I hope his fans don't get mad - Roddick, I and I'll say most others on this board, would be just as p*ssed that it appears a top star won't get more severe punishment.
 

Tshooter

G.O.A.T.
Moronic article.

Boy do I miss DFW. That guy could not only write but occasionally he would write about tennis.

This guy is a real hack.
 

Blinkism

Legend
People needs to realize that minors and little children were watching the match.

I'm not a prude or anything- I'm just saying that if these kids are growing up wanted to play tennis we don't want to turn them off and/or show them examples of bad sportsmanship.

Just another perspective.

Any posters with kids have any opinions on this? I know that my little niece was watching the match and I don't know what she thinks of the whole thing, yet, but I wouldn't want her thinking what Serena did was "cool".
 

rafan

Hall of Fame
Oh for heavens sake. Serena isn't the first or the last to have an enormous tantrum under stress and tension. So she became verbal in her feelings as lots of men players have done before. No you shouldn't feel ashamed of her. She has done a lot for America to feel proud of her. She has won so many many tournaments and she is a character in her own right. She is larger than life - a fighter. I was never much of a fan of her or women's tennis until now but the self righteous offerings on this board have changed my mind. I hope the officials donate her fine to charity
 

West Coast Ace

G.O.A.T.
She has done a lot for America to feel proud of her. She has won so many many tournaments and she is a character in her own right. She is larger than life - a fighter.
You cannot be serious! :)

You're 'larger than life' quote makes me think it's ok for celebrities to act badly and not be punished. And that's sad. She's nothing with Tennis. She should treat the game with more respect. This linesperson is a volunteer. There would be no tournaments without thousands of volunteers.

... but the self righteous offerings...
Ask Serena about 'self-righteous' - I think she's got that down pretty good...
 

rafan

Hall of Fame
The lines people should also be for-warned of the unexpected. They will be dealing with players under enourmous pressure in diverse climates and the whole scenario could at times be explosive. Many appreciate this surely before they come forward to be considered for the position and there are many thousand who would give their high teeth to be on the courts officiating. What I abhor is this honing in and isolating one player when if you have ever really followed tennis you will know that she is not the first by far to act in this way.
 

rafan

Hall of Fame
And a sports journalist over-dramatizes again, as sports journalists tend to do. This guy is trying to pretend like he is reporting on some exceptional moment in American history, but this is not the first time that there has been a lot of anger over something in our country. There was anger during the American Revolution, Civil War, Industrial Revolution, WWI, WWII, Civil Rights Movement, Vietnam War, Cold War, etc. And we will be angry again many more times over many different things.

Here's what happened: A tennis player flipped out at an inopportune time. Let's try not to make this into a issue of geopolitics or national security. Sheesh....

Well done you have it in perspective.
 

sureshs

Bionic Poster
Serena is always a pot of anger waiting to bubble over. I think it was always pretty obvious how a huge ego was concealed under a layer of girl-talk.

No one is pointing out the religious hypocrite aspect of this. Both the sisters have made it a point of mentioning "God" whenever they can. I guess they are just a bunch of egoistic hypocrites like these people usually are.
 

coloskier

Legend
I don't buy the thesis that Americans are particularly angry or that our politics are particularly uncivil. In countless countries in this world political leaders have the opposition murdered or jailed and countries sink into chaos when an election is inconclusive. All of this makes one guy yelling out "you lie" seem a little trivial. Over 100 journalists in Russia have disappeared unter Putin. China and most authoritarian regimes in the world suffer opposition un-gladly. The greatest tribute to the (relative) civility of American culture was the 2000 election, when the country endured weeks of indecision and high-stakes debate with no rioting in the streets, no tanks rumbling through the streets, no civil disturbance whatsoever, and ultimate (albeit begrudging) respect for the process and the outcome. And Serena Williams?? Oh please. I prefer her tirades to Lleyton Hewitt screaming about the race of a linesman or Ilie Nastase screaming about absolutely anything.

Americans are not angrier than other nations, this is true. But we are probably more angry now that we ever have been. The Great Uniter (Obama) has become the Great Divider very quickly. When is everyone finally going to admit that even though Obama won the election, we are still a center-right country, and all the polls are showing it?
 

BMG

Rookie
Great OP and interesting column. Hey, maybe Serena should bring an automatic weapon to her next press conference just like those simpleton tea-baggers!
 

sureshs

Bionic Poster
Americans are not angrier than other nations, this is true. But we are probably more angry now that we ever have been. The Great Uniter (Obama) has become the Great Divider very quickly. When is everyone finally going to admit that even though Obama won the election, we are still a center-right country, and all the polls are showing it?

They will admit it when the question is answered as to where these well-funded angry protestors were when Bush was running up the deficit and raising spending and increasing government intrusion all those years, and then making token tax cuts to fool the people. That is why their "anger" is understood for what it really is: thinly disguised racism, misogynism, homophobia, war-mongering, and religious fundamentalism. That is what the conservative movement is basically about now. The old ideals of the movement, namely personal morality, life-long marriage, accountability, fiscal conservatism, unwavering individual rights, and small government, have long been usurped by the hate radio hosts who are now the new leaders.
 

THUNDERVOLLEY

G.O.A.T.
I don't buy the thesis that Americans are particularly angry or that our politics are particularly uncivil.

Really, ollinger? Take a look at the American socio-political landscape since the 1990s: Ruby Ridge, Rodney King, Oklahoma City bombing, left wingers in the streets screaming for Bush & Cheney to die, fight over gay rights, gun rights, abortion (and the bombings/murders commited), Obama receivng more death threats than any president in history, tea parties, and the list goes on and on. Anger--if not slobbering hatred (see some of the anti-Obama heath care gang's slurs against Obama) is the political order of the day in America.


And Serena Williams?? Oh please. I prefer her tirades to Lleyton Hewitt screaming about the race of a linesman or Ilie Nastase screaming about absolutely anything.

Agreed...but if you notice, the racists and general haters never mention the vile behavior of other players. Not a single word. Why would they? Hewitt's obvious & disgusting racism, Hingis' homophobia, etc., are all acceptable--the players speak the same language of the Serena haters here, so in their minds, Hewitt, et al commited no offense. No screams for banning/suspension.

Nothing.

True colors exposed time and time again.
 

dman72

Hall of Fame
Mac was and still is a jerk. However, Serena's outburst was much worse than anything Mac ever did. If she had come a few feet closer to that woman, she could have been convicted of assault. She threatened bodily harm to a person while waving a tennis racket, which could be considered a weapon.

The PC in some of us wants to downplay her actions because she is black. The simple fact is that as embarrassing as Mac was in his day..and he was, he deserved an ass kicking..he never made physical threats against people, to my knowledge. I get the feeling that some fairly smart people want to look past this teeny weenie detail because they want to instead play the race card against those who criticize poor Serena. Serena is an ass and deserves whatever she gets. There is a reason why the Williams sisters don't get a lot of support considering how good they are...and it isn't because they are black. It is because they are poor sports and generally not very nice people, and their dad is a nut and an ass. Venus is better at it, I'll grant you.

As a side note, I also found Sharapova not very-humble in her post defeat news conference after losing to Oudin "she managed to take 2 sets off of me". She beat you.
 

THUNDERVOLLEY

G.O.A.T.
She threatened bodily harm to a person while waving a tennis racket, which could be considered a weapon.

The person in question was not physically assaulted. There would be no basis for such a specific charge.

The simple fact is that as embarrassing as Mac was in his day..and he was, he deserved an ass kicking..he never made physical threats against people, to my knowledge.

In one breath, you condemn Serena for nonexistant violence (or implied behavior) yet in the next breath you say McEnroe "deserved an ass kicking" Can you see the failed logic of your statement? If you are anti-violence or otherwise bad behavior, then you cannot (logically) suggest McEnroe deserved to experience acts of violence.



As a side note, I also found Sharapova not very-humble in her post defeat news conference after losing to Oudin "she managed to take 2 sets off of me". She beat you.

I'm no Sharapova fan to any degree, but she did not owe Oudin a single word or thought in the nature of a compliment. In the many times this must be repeated, sports is a battle, not a country club of white sweaters tied around the shoulders, drinks and soft-skulled mentalities. Sharapova only has a duty to herself--such is the nature of an individualized sport (like boxing), and gains nothing by praising the opponent--the "enemy" in the field.
 

Chadwixx

Banned
Really, ollinger? Take a look at the American socio-political landscape since the 1990s: Ruby Ridge, Rodney King, Oklahoma City bombing, left wingers in the streets screaming for Bush & Cheney to die, fight over gay rights, gun rights, abortion (and the bombings/murders commited), Obama receivng more death threats than any president in history, tea parties, and the list goes on and on. Anger--if not slobbering hatred (see some of the anti-Obama heath care gang's slurs against Obama) is the political order of the day in America.




Agreed...but if you notice, the racists and general haters never mention the vile behavior of other players. Not a single word. Why would they? Hewitt's obvious & disgusting racism, Hingis' homophobia, etc., are all acceptable--the players speak the same language of the Serena haters here, so in their minds, Hewitt, et al commited no offense. No screams for banning/suspension.

Nothing.

True colors exposed time and time again.

Please stop posting, your the biggest racist on this forum yet complain about racism...
 

dman72

Hall of Fame
The person in question was not physically assaulted. There would be no basis for such a specific charge.



In one breath, you condemn Serena for nonexistant violence (or implied behavior) yet in the next breath you say McEnroe "deserved an ass kicking" Can you see the failed logic of your statement? If you are anti-violence or otherwise bad behavior, then you cannot (logically) suggest McEnroe deserved to experience acts of violence.





I'm no Sharapova fan to any degree, but she did not owe Oudin a single word or thought in the nature of a compliment. In the many times this must be repeated, sports is a battle, not a country club of white sweaters tied around the shoulders, drinks and soft-skulled mentalities. Sharapova only has a duty to herself--such is the nature of an individualized sport (like boxing), and gains nothing by praising the opponent--the "enemy" in the field.


My goodness you are sharp noticing that inconsistency in what I wrote!!! :shock: How can anyone go on against such intellect? You must be a gas at parties.

Get over yourself and look up the definition of assault, dummy.
 

pmerk34

Legend
Americans are not angrier than other nations, this is true. But we are probably more angry now that we ever have been. The Great Uniter (Obama) has become the Great Divider very quickly. When is everyone finally going to admit that even though Obama won the election, we are still a center-right country, and all the polls are showing it?

I'm not angry.
 

chess9

Hall of Fame
I'm sorry, but yelling "You lie!" is a lot different from yelling, "I'm going to f... shove this f... ball down your f... throat!" The fact that he even tries to equate the two is almost comical.

Bingo! You are spot on!

-Robert
 

JustBob

Hall of Fame
I believe that the two party system and the polarization of ideas that comes with it is responsible for turning a fair percentage of the American population into complete lunatics.

But maybe that's just me. :)
 

timeisonmyside

Semi-Pro
Serena is always a pot of anger waiting to bubble over. I think it was always pretty obvious how a huge ego was concealed under a layer of girl-talk.

No one is pointing out the religious hypocrite aspect of this. Both the sisters have made it a point of mentioning "God" whenever they can. I guess they are just a bunch of egoistic hypocrites like these people usually are.

Don't lump in Venus with Serena. I feel like she gets a bad rep because of association with her sister and dad. Venus is actually pretty cool.
 

Tshooter

G.O.A.T.
"This linesperson is a volunteer. There would be no tournaments without thousands of volunteers."

At the USO they are not volunteers, they are paid.
 

pmerk34

Legend
Waving a racket and threatening someone with suffocation via tennis ball doesn't show any intent? That would be up to a judge. Regardless, it's far past what Macenroe used to do calling people jerks and visually challenged, but some people want you to think it's all the same.

Those were Mac's pre 1984 outbursts. He was vile and profane the second half of his career
 

THUNDERVOLLEY

G.O.A.T.
Waving a racket and threatening someone with suffocation via tennis ball doesn't show any intent? That would be up to a judge. Regardless, it's far past what Macenroe used to do calling people jerks and visually challenged, but some people want you to think it's all the same.

Again, no intent--especially with either side not indicating anything of the sort in the wake of the incident. Moreover, since Serena has no history of on-court physical violence, all of this amounts to mere "coulda/woulda" projection which has no merit as evidence of intent to commit a violent act.
 

FiveO

Hall of Fame
Agreed...but if you notice, the racists and general haters never mention the vile behavior of other players. Not a single word. Why would they? Hewitt's obvious & disgusting racism, Hingis' homophobia, etc., are all acceptable--the players speak the same language of the Serena haters here, so in their minds, Hewitt, et al commited no offense. No screams for banning/suspension.

Nothing.

True colors exposed time and time again.

Painting with a very broad, racially biased brush of your own here, aren't we. There were those calling for harsh penalties against Hewitt. His "implied" racist remark, was reprehensible and he should have been fined and disciplined. It was called for back then by alot of fans. In fact later in his career he was disciplined and fined, when during one match at the '03 RG he called a linesperson a "spastic".

Another Aussie player was fined and suspended for similar comments:

Tennis player suspended, fined for racial abuse
Jul 9, 8:45 am EDT

LONDON (AP)—An Australian tennis player has been suspended for six months for racial abuse.

The ATP says former Australian Open junior champion Brydan Klein was penalized for making a racial slur during a qualifying match against South Africa’s Raven Klaasen on June 13 at the grass-court tournament in Eastbourne, England.

The ATP says the 19-year-old Klein has been fined an additional $10,000 on top of the $14,000 fine he received on site. Klein was found guilty of aggravated behavior under the ATP Code of Conduct.

The suspension covers all ATP World Tour and ATP Challenger Tour events.

The final two months of the suspension and extra fine will be waived if he successfully completes a racial sensitivity training course.

http://ca.sports.yahoo.com/ten/news?slug=ap-racialabuseban&prov=ap&type=lgns

The appropriate response IMO. However what is being discussed here, as it applies to such breaches of morality, civility, sensitivity and tolerance, are words. And in this country whether offensive or not mere "words" a ton of them, fall under the protections afforded by "freedom of speech". It protects our right to protest, unfortunately it doesn't protect us from someone else's right to spew hate.

But that right ends when it crosses other lines, legal lines. The common example being, yelling "fire" in a crowded auditorium.


The person in question was not physically assaulted. There would be no basis for such a specific charge.

Woefully incorrect (as posted in response to comments you made in another thread):

Cursing is the least of what Serena did, she actually did commit Criminal Offense against that linesperson:

No it isn't Assault, it is defined as Menacing in the Penal Law of New York State:

S 120.15 Menacing in the third degree.
A person is guilty of menacing in the third degree when, by physical
******, he or she intentionally places or attempts to place another
person in fear of
death, imminent serious physical injury or physical
injury
.
Menacing in the third degree is a class B misdemeanor.

S 120.14 Menacing in the second degree.
A person is guilty of menacing in the second degree when:
1. He or she intentionally places or attempts to place another person
in reasonable fear of physical injury
, serious physical injury or death
by displaying a deadly weapon, dangerous instrument or what appears to
be a pistol, revolver, rifle, shotgun, machine gun or other firearm; or
Menacing in the second degree is a class A misdemeanor.

(****** = m-e-n-a-c-e, wierd filter)

http://ypdcrime.com/penal.law/article120.htm#120.14

And yes a pen, beer bottle, ashtray, laptop, hockey stick, baseball bat or a tennis racquet can satisfy the "dangerous instrument" element of the offense.

And yes it's charged ALL the time. For instance, this is often the Law violated in "Road Rage" arrests. There is no crime of "Road Rage".

*Menacing 2nd is the same level of offense, as Assault 3rd Degree an A Misdemeanor, with the same punishment.

An A Misd. is punishable by up to a year in jail.

Another Legal axiom is that ignorance of the law (or one specific law) is NOT A DEFENSE. Meaning that if a person is unaware of a statute governing their actions, that lack of awareness is not a get out of jail free card.


In one breath, you condemn Serena for nonexistant violence (or implied behavior) yet in the next breath you say McEnroe "deserved an ass kicking" Can you see the failed logic of your statement? If you are anti-violence or otherwise bad behavior, then you cannot (logically) suggest McEnroe deserved to experience acts of violence.

This isn't the usual, in this case, she said v. she said case, it's documented on video, in front of however many witnesses heard exactly what Serena threatened to do to the woman, whether it was to kill her or shove the ball down/up one of the woman's orifices, while wielding a dangerous instrument.

And it doesn't matter whether you believe Serena meant to carry out the threat or not, that's not the test, the test is whether it is reasonable to believe that the woman was in fear.

Far different from a mere expletive laced, even a racially charged tirade, which have now gotten the same and harsher fines and penaltis from the sport's governing bodies. Far, far different, which is why it's getting such strong condemnation. Sorry, but you're being an apologist for far more egregious behavior than a few juicy curse words or racially charged remarks.

I'm no Sharapova fan to any degree, but she did not owe Oudin a single word or thought in the nature of a compliment. In the many times this must be repeated, sports is a battle, not a country club of white sweaters tied around the shoulders, drinks and soft-skulled mentalities. Sharapova only has a duty to herself--such is the nature of an individualized sport (like boxing), and gains nothing by praising the opponent--the "enemy" in the field.

sport (spôrt, sprt)
n.
1.
a. Physical activity that is governed by a set of rules or customs and often engaged in competitively.
b. A particular form of this activity.
2. An activity involving physical exertion and skill that is governed by a set of rules or customs and often undertaken competitively.

http://www.thefreedictionary.com/sport

sports·man·ship
Pronunciation: \-ˌship\
Function: noun
Date: 1745
: conduct (as fairness, respect for one's opponent, and graciousness in winning or losing) becoming to one participating in a sport

http://www.merriam-webster.com/dictionary/sportsmanship

Likening sport to war, using words like "enemy" and "only responsible for oneself" has become common but far from the original spirit of sport. It is a convenient rationalization, to excuse behaviors which have nothing to do with the rules and customs associated with any sport. In other words another EXCUSE.

Again, no intent--especially with either side not indicating anything of the sort in the wake of the incident. Moreover, since Serena has no history of on-court physical violence, all of this amounts to mere "coulda/woulda" projection which has no merit as evidence of intent to commit a violent act.

Again: see Menacing in the NYS Penal Law. If you think an impartial jury presented with a physically larger woman, in a rage, raising an object used in a manner rendering it a dangerous instrument, directing her rage and verbal threats at an individual who remained seated during the one sided tirade......who momentarily walked away......only to return and repeat the conduct, as lacking intent to threaten, intimidate and instill fear....unfortunately you don't understand the law.

"No history of on-court physical violence"? That would only enter the proceedings in the sentencing stage, as in "character references" which could, potentially open up a pandora's box of off-court behavior used by prosecutor's to impeach even those references (Caveat: should they exist).

So in the real world the only thing which spared Serena a criminal charge, is the fact that the victim of the Menacing, that little, older woman, sitting in a chair, who appeared to be of Asian lineage, was her choice not to pursue charges, or, especially in this State and overly litigious society, not to seek a Civil remedy (Lawsuit) for "pain and suffering" as NYS Civil Laws tend to mirror most Criminal statutes. I don't know IF it's the case or not but during the Men's Final I looked for but did not see the same woman in the rotation of line judges in that 4+ hour match. IF that were the case and the reason was given that Open did not use her because of the potential for "distraction" a motivated attorney seeing deep pockets of Serena herself, the USTA, US Open, Grand Slam Committee, all the sponsors, would leap at the chance to leverage a lucrative settlement.

So not only did Serena owe an apology she owes a debt of gratitude to that linesperson for showing dignity, class and restraint on multiple levels.

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OJ ROD

Semi-Pro
I don't buy the thesis that Americans are particularly angry or that our politics are particularly uncivil. In countless countries in this world political leaders have the opposition murdered or jailed and countries sink into chaos when an election is inconclusive. All of this makes one guy yelling out "you lie" seem a little trivial. Over 100 journalists in Russia have disappeared unter Putin. China and most authoritarian regimes in the world suffer opposition un-gladly. The greatest tribute to the (relative) civility of American culture was the 2000 election, when the country endured weeks of indecision and high-stakes debate with no rioting in the streets, no tanks rumbling through the streets, no civil disturbance whatsoever, and ultimate (albeit begrudging) respect for the process and the outcome. And Serena Williams?? Oh please. I prefer her tirades to Lleyton Hewitt screaming about the race of a linesman or Ilie Nastase screaming about absolutely anything.

Don't romanticize the US. Everything that happens in other countries (riots, killing the opposition, quieting the media, etc.) happens here. It just more subtle. Mainly because the US is holding a more feminine mentality, and other countries, such as Russia or middle easterns, have a more direct masculine approach. But that is more than obvious if you really take a second and look around.
 

DRII

G.O.A.T.
FiveO...

You can state, and try to explain, as much legal jargin as you would like.

The point is, that in tennis the rules are enforced on an arbiturary basis. Depending on the particular linesperson, the particular umpire, and yes the particular player. Johnny Mac could have been penalized far more throughout his career if every rule were strictly enforced.

And public opinion is even more arbituray or random in 'laying down the law' or deciding consequences.

Johnny Mac is now celebrated and highly paid for his tirades of the past, and some did involve the throwing or wild swingging of racquets.

Yet Serena will problably be forever miligned, and even more hated, for her mistake.

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And as far as the article is concerned: I largely agree.

Its when a racial 'minority' reaches the top of his or her perspective feild that hegemonic feelings of the 'majority' often come out.

So when some on this board say "well I hate Serena and Venus but i like Tsonga or Monfils"; just wait until, or if, one of them dominates the game, then we will see what the attitude is...
 

FiveO

Hall of Fame
FiveO...

You can state, and try to explain, as much legal jargin as you would like.

The point is, that in tennis the rules are enforced on an arbiturary basis. Depending on the particular linesperson, the particular umpire, and yes the particular player. Johnny Mac could have been penalized far more throughout his career if every rule were strictly enforced.

And public opinion is even more arbituray or random in 'laying down the law' or deciding consequences.

Johnny Mac is now celebrated and highly paid for his tirades of the past, and some did involve the throwing or wild swingging of racquets.

Yet Serena will problably be forever miligned, and even more hated, for her mistake.

...................................................

And as far as the article is concerned: I largely agree.

Its when a racial 'minority' reaches the top of his or her perspective feild that hegemonic feelings of the 'majority' often come out.

So when some on this board say "well I hate Serena and Venus but i like Tsonga or Monfils"; just wait until, or if, one of them dominates the game, then we will see what the attitude is...

When speaking of JMc what you don't take into account is that there were no rules governing where he went. The rules regarding on-court behavior are said to have gone from 2 to 100 pages, or some such, in a few short years as a result of JMc. In his case the powers that be didn't start closing the barn door until the cow had already been out and running amok for quite some time, and by all accounts to say it was way overdue, is the definition of understatement.

In fact once those rules were eventually in place McEnroe, erroneously believing he was merely toeing the line, crossed it was defaulted, suspended for a few months and fined, afterward admitting he didn't know the "new" rules. That being said while his behavior was disgusting, reprehensible and way outside the customs of sport and tennis in particular, and worse in the sense that it was chronic and repeated, it fell short of the seriousness of this single act. Verbally abusive, offensive? Yes. Criminal? No.

Calls had/have been made to reign in Hewitt, when he was at or near the top of the game.

Many people, myself being an example, have remained consistent about the topic, which is on-court behavior, not the color of one's skin.

And this minority discrimination thing in this conversation is a joke. The fact is that public and peer pressure caused tennis to reign in McEnroe, which they eventually did to a degree, while he remained rude and disrespectful.

Another is that while it seems central to the rationalizations you make regarding the behavior, it ignores that the victim of the behavior involved appears, herself to be a minority in this Country.

The "People Are Only Saying This Because She Is African-American Or Black" Offense (no longer a defense at this point) falls on deaf ears with me:

a-because I am of minority lineage myself
b-you and people sharing your mind set talk about that instead of the facts-anything but the facts in fact-but especially accusations of racism.

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coloskier

Legend
They will admit it when the question is answered as to where these well-funded angry protestors were when Bush was running up the deficit and raising spending and increasing government intrusion all those years, and then making token tax cuts to fool the people. That is why their "anger" is understood for what it really is: thinly disguised racism, misogynism, homophobia, war-mongering, and religious fundamentalism. That is what the conservative movement is basically about now. The old ideals of the movement, namely personal morality, life-long marriage, accountability, fiscal conservatism, unwavering individual rights, and small government, have long been usurped by the hate radio hosts who are now the new leaders.

So what does that make the Democrats??? Neither side can claim that they are any better than the other. Most of the people are sick of both sides. Both sides can't make a statement without it being politically motivated by their rapidly shrinking base. The country wants neither the religious right or the radical socialist California/NY left. They want both sides to actually meet in the middle and do something. That means that BOTH sides have to give up something that they want in order to get something done. This means that the Republicans need to get off their moral agenda, and the Democrats need to stop trying to make everything government run so that they can control it. When Obama says that the Republicans are just obstructionist, I think I would be too with what is going on. The biggest lie being told right now is that the Democrats actually want to hear Republican ideas on Health Care. The official Nancy Pelosi Doctrine is "When I want your opinion, I'll give it to you", and they have not once let the Republicans in on the conversation. If you can give me just ONE example that is different, I'd be glad to hear it. People in the last election didn't "Vote Democrat", they voted "Not George Bush", and with Obama running as a Centrist (which we now know is a complete lie), they were just trying to move back to the center, not a huge lurch to the left.
 

Joseph L. Barrow

Professional
So does he think that if, say, Sharapova, having been foot-faulted to give her opponent double match point, had then responded by angrily approaching the linesperson, making imposing gestures, cursing and threatening to shove a tennis ball down said linesperson's throat, she would have seen no punishment and the press would not have cared? Of course not. There is, perhaps, a bigger ruckus over Serena's actions than there would be over those of another player because she is an American and is the biggest name in women's tennis, but similar condemnation would have followed the same actions by any current high-profile tennis star. Moreso than his counterparts acting out of racial hatred, it seems that this author exemplifies the attitude that individuals of certain ethnic or racial heritages should be immune to criticism.

As for the McEnroes and Nastases of past generations, it is true that their uglier exploits are looked back upon with humor in the modern day, but in much the same way that one might, as an adult, humorously recall pulling pranks or otherwise misbehaving as a child; my brother and I might look back and laugh about the time during our very early childhood when he came up behind me and took a pair of scissors to my earlobe or the day I flooded my elementary school bathroom with soap bubbles, but this hardly suggests that we therefore condone such behavior in the present. McEnroe himself refers to his past behavior as "indefensible" and suggests that Serena may idolize him for the wrong reasons.
 

DRII

G.O.A.T.
When speaking of JMc what you don't take into account is that there were no rules governing where he went. The rules regarding on-court behavior are said to have gone from 2 to 100 pages, or some such, in a few short years as a result of JMc. In his case the powers that be didn't start closing the barn door until the cow had already been out and running amok for quite some time, and by all accounts to say it was way overdue, is the definition of understatement.

In fact once those rules were eventually in place McEnroe, erroneously believing he was merely toeing the line, crossed it was defaulted, suspended for a few months and fined, afterward admitting he didn't know the "new" rules. That being said while his behavior was disgusting, reprehensible and way outside the customs of sport and tennis in particular, and worse in the sense that it was chronic and repeated, it fell short of the seriousness of this single act. Verbally abusive, offensive? Yes. Criminal? No.

Calls had/have been made to reign in Hewitt, when he was at or near the top of the game.

Many people, myself being an example, have remained consistent about the topic, which is on-court behavior, not the color of one's skin.

And this minority discrimination thing in this conversation is a joke. The fact is that public and peer pressure caused tennis to reign in McEnroe, which they eventually did to a degree, while he remained rude and disrespectful.

Another is that while it seems central to the rationalizations you make regarding the behavior, it ignores that the victim of the behavior involved appears, herself to be a minority in this Country.

The "People Are Only Saying This Because She Is African-American Or Black" Offense (no longer a defense at this point) falls on deaf ears with me:

a-because I am of minority lineage myself
b-you and people sharing your mind set talk about that instead of the facts-anything but the facts in fact-but especially accusations of racism.

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The race of the lines-person is not relevant in regards to the reactions, in some cases over-reactions, to Serena's tirade.

To my knowledge the lines-person has not made any complaint about what has happened and therefore does not constitute being a victim in the argument that I am raising. And Serena's offensive language towards her had no racial bias at all.

The point is Serena's race, and perhaps sex, very well does affect how many people feel about the incident. Either conscience or sub-conscience. If you are a racial minority than you should know this!

And saying Serena's behavior is criminal is a real stretch and completely arbitrary judgement.

The average american breaks the 'technical' law dozens of time everyday from speeding, to jay-walking, to having pre-marital sex. The real test is the "just and fair" enforcement and application of the law in the proper context of society. Which we all know, or at least should know, has not been equal.
 

THUNDERVOLLEY

G.O.A.T.
Painting with a very broad, racially biased brush of your own here, aren't we. There were those calling for harsh penalties against Hewitt. His "implied" racist remark, was reprehensible and he should have been fined and disciplined.

Many failed parts of your argument, but I will start here. The fact you even use "should," once again says the PTB did not consider Hewitt's act to be as morally offensive as the whining over Serena. No action taken. That speaks volumes about the PTB, and calls the standing and any future action against Serena into serious question. I would say her attorneys need to take a serious look into a possible legal reply, as this all-out campaign against her--while Hewitt was allowed to continue penalty free--smells of something else.

And yes a pen, beer bottle, ashtray, laptop, hockey stick, baseball bat or a tennis racquet can satisfy the "dangerous instrument" element of the offense.

And yes it's charged ALL the time. For instance, this is often the Law violated in "Road Rage" arrests. There is no crime of "Road Rage".

Sorry, but the intent must be proven before any other considerations--in other words, do not put the cart before the horse. I've witnessed innumerable cases of alleged "assault" of this utterly imagined kind tossed out of court as the grounds for prosecution did not exist, otherwise you can be certain USO/USTA legal representatives would have jumped on that (to "send a message" if you can buy that), and most important, the linesperson would have pursued a legal option (or some outside legal body would have stepped up on a potentially high profile case involving one the world's most famous sports figures).

As of this day, nothing of the sort occured---for good reason, and with enough legal precedent to render such a pursuit as nothing more than pure folly.
 
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FiveO

Hall of Fame
Many failed parts of your argument, but I will start here. The fact you even use "should," once again says the PTB did not consider Hewitt's act to be as morally offensive as the whining over Serena. No action taken. That speaks volumes about the PTB, and calls the standing and any future action against Serena into serious question. I would say her attorneys need to take a serious look into a possible legal reply, as this all-out campaign against her--while Hewitt was allowed to continue penalty free--smells of something else.

As I have said already, it was an embarassment and worse. The only, albiet still inadequate, explanation for not taking action would be if, there was a specific rule specifically prohibiting the making of racially charged remarks, and/or a "catch all" rule, such as "conduct detrimental to the game of tennis" in the Player's Code of Conduct in place at that time. I don't know.

However, introducing this sad episode as a comparison to the incident in question, is a red herring in this instance. Morally reprehensible acts do not in and of themselves violate Criminal statute. If a crime is committed and the motive for and there is probable cause to believe it was motivated by or intentionally targeted the victim or location because of race, religion, gender, or sexual orientation it now, in NYS, elevates the particular Crime committed, to what is commonly refered to as a Bias Crime, "aggravating" the underlying crime and in general raising the degree and associated penalties/punishment on level, i.e. a B Misdemeanor to an A, and A Misdemeanor to an E Felony, E Felony to D, and so on. However, the underlying Criminal section must be violated.

As reprehensible as Hewitt's comments were, no matter how his words proved a window to his soul exposing his upbringing, character or rather, lack thereof for what it is, it MAY NOT have violated any existing rule pertaining to Player Conduct at that time and that MAY very have been the flimsy hook upon which the anemic “final verdict” regarding his conduct was hung. However, those comments did not violate any Law, no Crime, no Petty Offense. Hewitt’s opinion, though clearly motivated by hate is, to this day, protected by the over-riding right to Free Speech and Expression held so dear in this country as incomprehensible as the application of that axiom and who gets wrapped in the cloak of its protection may appear to be at times.

As such this being interjected into a conversation of Serena's conduct is at best apples and oranges, at worst, motivated by something, which smells of something similar to what you allude to in the opening words of your post. Assuredly, there are some voicing opinions on the matter motivated by varying degrees of hate, for Serena herself, or worse for her gender or race.

However even taking that into account, there is no comparison between Hewitt's and Serena's conduct, other than Hewitt's comments being directed at race and Serena being that race.



Sorry, but the intent must be proven before any other considerations--in other words, do not put the cart before the horse. I've witnessed innumerable cases of alleged "assault" of this utterly imagined kind tossed out of court as the grounds for prosecution did not exist, otherwise you can be certain USO/USTA legal representatives would have jumped on that (to "send a message" if you can buy that), and most important, the linesperson would have pursued a legal option (or some outside legal body would have stepped up on a potentially high profile case involving one the world's most famous sports figures).

Unfortunately, these comments betray a lack of familiarity with the law, and are made either inadvertantly or intentionally in error.

a) the law violated while under the same Article, i.e., "Assault and Related Offenses" is not Assault but Menacing.

b) by remaining fixated on the term “Assault” it indicates that you have failed to understand the difference in the two sections of law and how “intent” applies to each.

Intent in Assault addresses the offender’s mental state as having CAUSED physical injury, serious physical injury or death to another person.

Intent in Menacing addresses the offender’s mental state having CAUSED another person reasonable fear of suffering physical injury, serious physical injury or death.

Menacing requires proof of the offender’s

INTENT TO INSTILL FEAR OF PHYSICAL INJURY IN THE MIND OF THE VICTIM

NOT THE OFFENDER'S INTENT TO CAUSE PHYSICAL INJURY.

PHYSICAL INJURY: The legal definition of Physical Injury as it defined and applies in NYS Penal Law is described in Article 10:

9. "Physical injury" means impairment of physical condition or
substantial pain.

http://law.onecle.com/new-york/penal/PEN010.00_10.00.html

Think of how minimal that standard is for a moment and then realize that the People’s burden of proof is limited to the intent to cause or ultimately carry out the threat to cause the physical injury, but merely the fear of it and you see the minimal standard of the statute.

As of this day, nothing of the sort occured---for good reason, and with enough legal precedent to render such a pursuit as nothing more than pure folly.

The ONLY reason that it not being applied here is that the victim has, for reasons only she knows, elected not to make a complaint regarding the incident to Law Enforcement, at which time, by law and based on the available evidence, Law Enforcement would be compelled to act.

OTOH, without a willing complainant articulating fear, or a witness to the victim’s immediate outcry following the event willing to testify, it is impossible for Law Enforcement to act.

The legal precedent is that arrests are made and prosecutions pursued in every jurisdiction in NYS for violation of this section of law every day.

Your broad brush is dipped in ignorance of the Law and how it is applied.

Far from folly, it gets very real, very quickly for some people equally ignorant of this law as well as many others on the books. And this is not to say that Serena faced jail time. THAT is highly unlikely, and aside from Domestic Violence Cases, would be outside past practice as it applies to sentencing. In the end game she would most likely face anywhere from an A.C.O.D. to a fine to community service, like a lesson or two for a group of kids in Central Park before next year’s Open, predicated by a plea to a petty offense such as Disorderly Conduct.

What’s most disturbing about your post is your use of the phrase “nothing, of the sort occurred”.

I’ll repeat that for something to have occurred it required only that the linesperson express her fear resulting from the incident to law enforcement.

That she didn’t is the reason the offender not only owed the victim an apology but an expression of gratitude, before the first press release.

On another level words and phrases like “nothing of the sort occurred” and “pure folly” as they apply to the incident being discussed rings of a mindset nearing the bottom of a “slippery slope” which ends at “nothing happened at all”.

If you are about to dismiss my assertion on its face I would encourage you to seek the opinion of a qualified third party before doing so, then honestly and open-mindedly re-evaluate your position.

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