I have been trying to learn how to do a kick serve the last 8 months. Yes, 8 months, and I know, it probably doesn't take many of you guys that long. For most of those 8 months, I was just brushing the ball with my arm , and varying my form way too much from my flat serve. During the 8 months, I watched videos from high tech tennis, fuzzyyellowballs, and youtube, desperate to learn the kick serve. For some reason, even though they all contain good information, none of them really helped because it was impossible for me to conciously think about what they said and incorporating it into my serve. Basically, today I tried doing my normal flat serve which is pretty good form, but I simply tried carving a shape out of the ball, from the bottom left to top right. I guess I was always brushing too much on the ball before and not getting enough drive. But really, all you have to do is do a flat serve, except toss it a little more to the left, and a little bit more behind you, and carve a shape out of it in the direction you want to brush. It was that simple for me. It seemed to be kicking pretty high, but any tips on what you guys try to emphasize to get it to kick higher? Sorry for the long and kind of useless post.