First anniversary already!

Zebrev

Hall of Fame
I honestly still don't know how he lost. He had four chances in a row to hit an ace and win it.
 

RaulRamirez

Legend
That day, my softball team had the first round of our playoffs which started early, but was decided in a long tripleheader, as we split the first two. When I got home, I could not believe that the match was still live, so I watched it from the middle of the fifth set on. Eventually, months later, I watched the whole match.
 

SonnyT

Hall of Fame
How he kept his head where all around him people lost theirs!

Federer was half-expecting the tide, of the moment and from fans in the stands, to roll over his opponent. Unfortunately for him, Djokovic didn't buckle; most players in that position surely would have!
 

Yugram

Legend
By all means, let us listen to the Nadal fan's complaints about surfaces....
AO was resurfaced TWICE in four years after Federer established business with tournament’s director Craig Tiley. Last change was to surface similar to the one in Basel. What a coincidence.
 

tonylg

Legend
Spoiler alert. Fed served for the championship.
I saw enough. I turned it on in the hope that maybe he'd play some beautiful grass court tennis. I'd rather watch him lose playing the good tennis than win playing like a boring baseline bot.

When it became obvious that he was just going to grind from the baseline (admittedly the smart play under the conditions), I couldn't care enough what the result might be to warrant watching it.

Don't remember who he was playing. Doesn't matter really.
 

Yugram

Legend
Yes that totally makes up for how the entire tour has slowed further and further towards molasses
And what exactly are the last significant slowing downs? AO 2008 for Slams and Toronto in mid 10’s for Masters? In the last couple of years AO got faster twice, Paris is faster than ever, Tour Finals is fast again, Miami is fast again, RG returned to the balls they used in 2011, which was reportedly a faster-playing year by tournament’s standards. Fedovic fanbases were reporting that USO was fast and low bouncing last year, although changed their testimony when Nadal won, as expected. And that was not stats, that was "using your eyes and brain" @Lleytonstation .
 

Third Serve

G.O.A.T.
And what exactly are the last significant slowing downs? AO 2008 for Slams and Toronto in mid 10’s for Masters? In the last couple of years AO got faster twice, Paris is faster than ever, Tour Finals is fast again, Miami is fast again, RG returned to the balls they used in 2011, which was reportedly a faster-playing year by tournament’s standards. Fedovic fanbases were reporting that USO was fast and low bouncing last year, although changed their testimony when Nadal won, as expected. And that was not stats, that was "using your eyes and brain" @Lleytonstation .
I don’t think this really screams “fast” to me. It’s 2015-2016, though, so it may not be accurate today.

 

Lleytonstation

G.O.A.T.
And what exactly are the last significant slowing downs? AO 2008 for Slams and Toronto in mid 10’s for Masters? In the last couple of years AO got faster twice, Paris is faster than ever, Tour Finals is fast again, Miami is fast again, RG returned to the balls they used in 2011, which was reportedly a faster-playing year by tournament’s standards. Fedovic fanbases were reporting that USO was fast and low bouncing last year, although changed their testimony when Nadal won, as expected. And that was not stats, that was "using your eyes and brain" @Lleytonstation .
Did Fed win USO? Nope. It must have been slow. JK.

But on a serious note, just watch starting in 2000 and work your way through each year watching a couple highlights and matches from each year.

It is obvious.
 

Yugram

Legend
I don’t think this really screams “fast” to me. It’s 2015-2016, though, so it may not be accurate today.

Yep, it’s not. 2016 was the last year of slow Paris and London. Look at Paris last year. Nadal could hardly break a serve of Andrian freakin’ Mannarino.
 

nov

Semi-Pro
W19 final hurt Federer CV for Goat. But it hurt Djokovic also, because Fed fans started hate Novak even more. Djokovic could play better and avoid this Fed torture :)))
 

MeatTornado

G.O.A.T.
If Federer loses then the court is slow? :unsure:
Here's the thing, Yugram isn't wrong. We're arguing 2 different ends of the same point. There has been a slight uptick in some of the courts the last couple years. Like the USO for example, he's right. 2019 was playing faster, but only in comparison to the last few years (mostly in the post-roof 2015- era) which was the slowest they've ever been. Being faster than the slowest does not make them fast courts.
 

Yugram

Legend
Did Fed win USO? Nope. It must have been slow. JK.

But on a serious note, just watch starting in 2000 and work your way through each year watching a couple highlights and matches from each year.

It is obvious.
I’m not arguing that there were slowing downs in the 00’s. (Although by the time Federer started dominating, the most significant slowdowns were already done)
What I’m saying is that in the last 4, maybe 5 years we can see an opposite trend.
 
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