First experience with gut/poly

CHOcobo

Professional
Hi All,

Would like some feedback on my experience with gut/poly for the first time.

Normal string setup:
1) Tornado 123/SPPP 128 @ mid 50's lb.
2) Tornado 123/OGSM 17 @ also around mid 50's lb.

Gut/Poly setup: Klip Legend 15L/Cyber Flash 17 @ 55/51 lb.

Reason for switching to gut/poly: I'm looking for spin, durability, and easy on the arm (biggest one). Starting to get arm pain with my normal setup #1 and I don't like my normal setup #2 because the string keeps moving (and it gets worse and worse). For some reason this annoys me and setup #1 does the job but my arm doens't like it. I get no string movement with gut/poly.

My first intital thought is that is has a very high launch angle. I find it hard to keep it flat and in the court and feels like it has little spin, but then 99% of my second serves goes right into the net. Most of my shots goes long. Didn't spend that much time at net this time around.

I love the feel of it, perhaps the best ever. I love that it is soft at the same time not mushy and very easy on the arm. Even if I find a poly/poly hybrid that wont' irritate my arm I still want to keep the gut/poly combo because I like how it feels.

So my quesitons:

1) As a result from gut/poly setup, is it normal has so much power that it goes long most of the time for first timers? And that I have to adjust to this?

2) Is the average gut/poly setup supposed to have more spin than the average poly/poly setup?

My racket: Bio 100

All feedbacks/suggestions appreciated.
 

Hansen

Semi-Pro
i recently switched from poly/multi to gut/poly in my lm radical
1) i think its normal that you get more flyers at first, so it takes time to adjust to the new setup. but your gut/poly setup isn´t the only one and depending on the combination the playing characteristics can be quite different ; search for the gut/poly thread from SpinToWin.
2) i don´t think so, because with full poly you can go lower in tension.
 

CopolyX

Hall of Fame
First yes, natural gut has the highest in energy returned and please check the TW learning center / String Database.That will influence spin also. Putting the natural gut in the crosses will equate to one of the highest string to string COF ( TW Learning study).
Second with natural gut in the mains and a poly in the crosses will equate to one of the lowest string to string COF. (power scotty) .
Reversing it will lower the power (could try).
You might have to live with it for now. Or cut it out.
I would suggest a few things on the next string job. Come up higher on the natural gut tension/ tad on the poly. In your notes, it does not reference where the strings are mains/ crosses. Makes a huge difference (see -could try). Mains always domain the string bed. Also you can increase the gauge of the poly to 16, that will also bring the power down. You have many options to try...don't give up and take notes and fine tune it.
A change like you did is great, just again needs some patients, time, $$$, and smart fine tuning....only do one change at a time thou...
 

Fintft

Legend
Yes most people will have problems adjusting to the power of gut, especially in full bed.

One minor thing that helps is using open pattern frames (16X18 as opposed to 18X20) to generate more spin and help prevent the balls from sailing long.
 

gutfeeling

Semi-Pro
Agreed, using a thicker and/or stiffer poly may help decrease launch angle/power. This is assuming you are using gut mains and poly crosses. I don't not have any experience with the opposite setup.

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Franklin_B

Semi-Pro
I think just up the tension a bit next time you restring. I do 57/55 in my RF97, 50/48 in the PS90, 48/44 in i.Prestige mid. The latter ones are lower because they are super low powered frames and the i.Prestige mid is a dense 18/20.
 

CHOcobo

Professional
Thanks guys. I know that the gut mains with poly cross is better for spin due to the low friction. I did my studies enough to the point where i need to just try it. It just helps me to know that others are experiencing the same thing for first time...lol (it was the only purpose of this thread, i just didnt want to be insane about it:D).

Yes gut main poly cross is my setup. I always thought that when people type "gut/poly" it means gut main and poly cross (main/cross).

And yes, the very first thing on my mind was to up the tension of both and have less tension differential to help my case.

I didnt want to give up this setup since almost all top pros are using it. I will be experimenting with thicker poly in the cross as well eventually and hope it doesnt bite my elbow.
 

Franklin_B

Semi-Pro
I didnt want to give up this setup since almost all top pros are using it. I will be experimenting with thicker poly in the cross as well eventually and hope it doesnt bite my elbow.
There are a number of good, smooth poly strings that are also fairly arm friendly. Wilson revolve, solinco outlast, head lynx, isospeed cream (black fire is excellent, but is stiffer) come to mind. With gut mains and a lower poly tension you should be fine for comfort.
 

kramer woodie

Professional
Hi All,

Would like some feedback on my experience with gut/poly for the first time.

Normal string setup:
1) Tornado 123/SPPP 128 @ mid 50's lb.
2) Tornado 123/OGSM 17 @ also around mid 50's lb.

Gut/Poly setup: Klip Legend 15L/Cyber Flash 17 @ 55/51 lb.

Reason for switching to gut/poly: I'm looking for spin, durability, and easy on the arm (biggest one). Starting to get arm pain with my normal setup #1 and I don't like my normal setup #2 because the string keeps moving (and it gets worse and worse). For some reason this annoys me and setup #1 does the job but my arm doens't like it. I get no string movement with gut/poly.

My first intital thought is that is has a very high launch angle. I find it hard to keep it flat and in the court and feels like it has little spin, but then 99% of my second serves goes right into the net. Most of my shots goes long. Didn't spend that much time at net this time around.

I love the feel of it, perhaps the best ever. I love that it is soft at the same time not mushy and very easy on the arm. Even if I find a poly/poly hybrid that wont' irritate my arm I still want to keep the gut/poly combo because I like how it feels.

So my quesitons:

1) As a result from gut/poly setup, is it normal has so much power that it goes long most of the time for first timers? And that I have to adjust to this?

2) Is the average gut/poly setup supposed to have more spin than the average poly/poly setup?

My racket: Bio 100

All feedbacks/suggestions appreciated.

CHOcobo

Look I am 70 years old. I play with an Yonnex 330hg Duel G weighted up to 13.2-13.3 ounces by using a leather
grip w/ over grip and butt flair J&J tape build up. The racket is strung with 16 ga Bab VS Touch gut in the mains
at 57 pounds and Krischbaum Max Power 18 ga crosses at 48 pounds.

The Max Power is a very stiff control poly with great tension maintaince and low COF. It is a low power string
and tames the power of the gut. Strung at low under 50 pounds plays soft to me. The gut at 9 pounds higher
tension slides well over the stiffer poly and snaps back. The gut will dent, but the poly will not cut through
for a long time.

As an above poster said, "read the Spin To Win thread on gut poly hybrids". I got the 9 pounds tension
differrantial from STW posts when using a gut to Max Power hybrid. It works great, plays long, has comfort
and has controllable power. Good Luck finding what works best for you!

Aloha
 

Dartagnan64

Legend
Tonic+/Lux 4G user here. If you are having launch angle issues, i'd suggest going higher on the the tensions than 55/50. I run 58/52 on my setup and that improved my launch angle considerably. That and using 4G instead of Babolat pro hurricane.
 
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