Discussion in 'College Tennis Talk' started by ClarkC, Jan 6, 2009.
Some interesting choices in the first men's rankings.
And in the first women's team rankings.
Initial rankings are by polls. By the end of the indoor season, enough data has been gathered on actual results to do it all by computer for the rest of the season.
Konieko is ranked 1, Moneke is ranked 3 and Kronauge is ranked 6. Ohio State is crazy good! Baylor should be solid, as well.
I was, however, curious why FedAce's boy, Clayton was only ranked 33. Oh, thats right, he has been waiting for the Spring season before unleashing the greatest college game ever. Can't wait to see it, Fed.
UCLA is ranked 4, USC is ranked 6...it is going to be a long road for the 12th ranked Stanford team.
I am really surprised that Stanford is ranked only 5 in the women's poll. They have a bunch of big names on their roster and they have such a world renowned tennis program. I noticed that all of their players are American? Does anyone know why that is? I think it's great...the number of foreign players on a team should be limited...it would help U.S. tennis. Also, Northwestern took the top ranking...they have the Number 1 ranked player in singles and the next ranked player is 28?! Interesting.
what do the numbers in parentheses mean?
end of the year rankings from last year?
votes as #1 team.
(A small section of Northern California, and that's only because they don't play the USF Dons).
i agree. Ohio State is stacked this year!
Northwestern is stacked next year
1. Stanford don't have a bunch of big names on their roster. They've got one player who performed well last year and a couple of unproven Freshman.
2. They're Stanford so they can recruit the cream of the American crop. Other universities don't have that luxury - although Stanford has selectively recruited internationally, they just don't publicise it.
3. US tennis WILL NOT be helped by limiting foreign players at college. American tennis will be helped by Americans improving the level of their play so that their own colleges/universities recruit them before looking overseas. American tennis will be helped by competing against the very best players - which is exactly what foreigner players allow. Blaming international recruiting is for the feeble-minded.
3. Pre-Season rankings mean absolutely NOTHING. They're only good for stroking the ego of boosters. Wait for the second round of in-season rankings before commenting.
Stanford got 3 blue chip recruits this year...all of those girls were very good and very successful USTA players...
I have seen teams where there at 6 or 7 foreign players and TWO Americans on the roster...maybe American kids would be compelled to work harder if they knew that the spots on the rosters of the schools they want to attend wouldn't be taken by foreign recruits. I am not saying bar foreign recruits completely...but I am all for setting a limit of 2 to 3 players per D1 team.
Illinois is positioned at #15 (mens.) I wonder how well they will do this year. They have some Top 100 talent. Any insight?
Go Orange and Blue!
ehh i dont know how stacked they are, but they're solid....the 4 that they are bringing in are all decent players, but no standout star. schanerman and balaji have great, hard-hitting singles games, but i saw them lose a disappointing doubles match at winter nationals to siow-mkrtchian....it wasn't even close. jackman and wolf are solid too, but i cant see any of them breaking the top of the line-up freshman year.
Northwestern's women's team has the number one ranked player, but also numbers 24 and 28. In doubles they have numbers 25 and 26. So they're pretty good.
I caught them last year when they played here in Minnesota. Someone had the clever idea to use ball boys/girls. All this because Northwestern was then (as now) the number one team. It was pretty funny ... kind of hick, really. I guess people don't expect the number one team to come out of the Big Ten. When I tried to coax friends to come watch, they'd reply, "Northwestern can't be the number one team in the country. It's probably Stanford or USC or some team from Florida. You must mean the number one team in the region." Nope.
I'm a Northwestern alum and follow all sports. I wouldn't put too much into the individual rankings at this point in the season. NU is VERY deep and have 2 top 10 quality players and 4 legit top 40 or 50 players. And, I'm basing that on last year. Nos. 3 could even be better (in the 20s or 30s). Basically, everyone returns from a team that was ranked No. 1 for most of last season.
BUT, this is really the year they need to win the Championship. Under their current coach, they've won something like 10 or 11 Big Ten Championships in a row and been ranked in the Top 10 or 15 the entire time.
In the past 3 or 4 years, they've stepped it up a notch and been ranked in the top 5, beating a lot of higher ranked teams. Where, they used to lose in the Round of 16 in the NCAAs, they've been getting to the QFs. But, they keep on getting upset in the quarterfinals (I say upset based on ranking, but realize that the teams at the top are very close, so it's really not an upset.)
A couple of years ago they lost 4-3 to USC in the QFs. But, they probably would not have won the championship anyway.
But, last year, they lost to Cal in the QFs, who they had beat earlier in the year and who made it to the final. They were seeded No. 1.
So, everyone's back and they have another great chance. But, all the top teams are talented we'll have to see if they an put it together in the spring.
The new players don't have to do much this year. NU returns all 6 starters from last year (or at least 5 of the 6).
the new players will be there in the fall of 2009....northwestern has never really held a big roster until this year...always 8 players or so before this year...they recruited i believe 4 last year and 4 this year so the new coach, coach swan, must want a bigger roster.
Clayton, Klahn, and Thacher could go undefeated this year on their way to the championships. Look for Stanford to have a undefeated season just as illinois had done.
ehh fedace i know your a big stanford fan, but i dont see that happening. they have lots of talent at the top but some other teams have much better depth....ohio state and ucla both look extremely deep.
I have talked to Dick Gould during winter break and he feels that Stanford is coming into the season with one of the strongest teams in a while.
As for my Personal opinion, i think UCLA and Ohio state has no-one that can match up. Who does Ohio state have ??? Justin Kronage or that skinny little guy ??? they will both be blown off the courts by either Thacher, Klahn or Clayton. i am pretty certain of this.
i dont doubt that those 3 will do quite well....klahn playing high in the line-up is a little worrisome because he's not the biggest guy and doesn't overpower opponents. its what is after those 3 that might not do as well....ucla is deep this year having added brooklyn and two other solid foreign players i believe. clayton will have a tough time with koniecko at osu too.
Clayton vs Koniecko, i would predict Clayton win 6-4 6-4. Bryan is a very quick solid player but has no weapons and Alex would eat up Koniecko's weak 2nd serves. and the big serves of Alex would win him easy points.
and as far as Klahn,,,he would do very well. he has proven that he can beat bigger guys. and as far as bottom 3 or 4. well,,, you have Rich Wire who played #1 spot couple of years back and did well. and you have Hirschman who has been rated in top of Junior ranks and can hit with guys like Koniecko.
NEED I SAY MORE ???
wire got hurt and never quite returned to top form....definitely beatable for the bottom of other top 10 schools line-ups.....hirshman is an interesting player cuz he has the ugliest strokes i have ever seen, yet does not ever miss.....if someone knows how to play him the right way he's very beatable.....obviously your biased towards stanford and i think they'll do better than last year when they dropped down to 40, but i dont see them in the top 5 ever this season.
fedace, u know anything about one of their recruits this year named samuel ecker? he's a 3-star so i was just wondering if maybe u had an inside scoop on why he was recruited.
^^Not sure, i can ask Coach Whit if it is something you are curious about. but here is the press release on 3 new recruits for the 2013 class. Full of talent. could be a Dynasty.
Head men's tennis coach John Whitlinger has announced the names of three exceptional junior tennis players that will be joining his squad for the 2009-2010 season. Californians Denis Lin and Walker Kehrer, along with New York's Matt Kandath, have signed their National Letters of Intent and will be attending Stanford as part of the class of 2013.
Wire can still play. Trust me on this. if he plays #4 or 5 spot, he will win virtually 99% of the time. and Stanford has also improved their doubles play a great deal. look for them to dominate the doubles point as well.
ya if u talk to coach whit ask him cuz im sure lots of ppl on the forum are curious. i played ecker in copper bowl and beat him 6-3, 6-3 and he said he was recruited by stanford and they helped him in....dont really know why they would tho for someone ranked as low as him....its not like hes a doubles specialist or a big guy either.
"I talked to Coach Gould". Yeah, right!! I believe that!
So does that mean Coach Gould released the "restraining order"?
Sorry, couldn't pass that one up...
Ohio State is stacked but I dont see them winning it, they will choke.
We will see...unfortunately at the top there is only one way to go and that's down. They really dominated the ITA ******* Regional tournament so it will be interesting to see how they do as a team and not individually. If I had to place a bet on the winner though, it would be Ohio State.
Is this a TYPO... 2013??? they are in now or waiting for 2013?
wow so somehow Stanford is better than OSU even though the Buckeyes have 3 guys in the Top 10. Keep dreaming. Probably will come down to UCLA, Texas, and Ohio State in the end.
Graduating class of 2013 from Stanford.
NU has a new coach? I had no idea that Claire Pollard left. It seemed like she had her dream job. I wonder if she went back to England?
I see what happened. I was talking about the womens' team, you were talking about the mens' team. The men used to be pretty good (top 25 at least) when I was at NU from 1991-1995. They had dropped off, but they seem to be coming back strong.
Well here is my feeble minded opinion....
Maybe we can get our US players to continue to concentrate solely on Tennis full-time for 2-3 yrs immediately "after" high school graduation or play lower level pro. Then when they are then 20-21 years old and grown men instead of boys we can enroll them as college freshmen...maybe then we will be competitive with the foreign players...
The recruiting field is not level at all. That is why foriegn players are recruited. They are bigger, stronger, older and more experienced...and not 17 yrs old.
How many 15 yr old players are competitive in USTA B18s? We see a few...precious few gifted 15 year olds that can compete with bigger, stronger, older and more experienced players. Its the same thing. American Tennis cannot develop a player to compete with this. Public Universities that are funded by American Taxpayer monies should be available to American Citizens. Let the foreign players play, but do it as a non-scholarship walk-ons.
I'd love to see my kid play D1 Tennis and stay close to home but the Big 12 is one of the worst when it comes to not recruiting homegrown talent. As things are now if he wants to stay close to home its gotta be D2 or D3
I fully support any action towards NCAA Tennis recruiting reform. My email is on my profile and I'm willing to join any group that wants to make a concentrated effort to make our concerns considered by the NCAA.
I HATE Ohio State.
Did anyone read that STATISTICS-packed article on TRN today? I thought it was very impressive!
It's titled, "Ranking Redux." It compares, "junior rankings - and how they correlate with performance in college."
As quoted from Tennis Recruiting.net, by Marc Lucero.
Here is the link to the Stanford tennis team photos for 09 season. These guys will be feared throughout NCAA division 1.
How is Zeller doing? What an intelligent young man! He use to tolerate my kid.
I don't know him too well. He seems like a nice kid. I like to see him play more, but he isn't one of the elite 6, so he is used only sparingly by coach Whitlinger.
New press release by Stanford men's team below:
STANFORD, Calif. - The No. 12 Stanford men's tennis team will begin spring action this coming weekend as it will head to Thousand Oaks, Calif. for the annual Sherwood Cup. Eight players are slated to suit up for the Cardinal in both single and doubles competition beginning on Friday, Jan. 16.
Draws for the tournament have yet to be completed, but Stanford plans on entering four tandems in doubles competition and all eight players in the singles table.
As of 1 p.m. Wednesday, the doubles teams are as follows: Matt Bruch-Ryan Thacher; Alex Clayton-Bradley Klahn, Ted Kelly-Greg Hirshman; Richard Wire-Blake Muller.
The Cardinal boasts three ranked singles players in No. 16 Klahn, No. 33 Clayton, and No. 62 Wire.
It looks like Unbeatable doubles pairings. Looks like it will be a Clean sweep for stanford this weekend at the Sherwood cup...
Pics of Ryan Thacher, soon to be the STAR of Stanford tennis and perhaps in coming years, Star of ATP tour as well...
Well if you say so Fedace. I guess they've already got the NCAAs in the bag because of those pictures.
Bad news for OSU and Texas, the signing of US #1 Devin Britton and 2 ATP ranked German twins to start in the spring at already #9 Ole Miss.
^^I think Ryan Thacher will take out Devin with no problems. Ryan was one of the most heavily recruited Juniors in 08. He reached the Semifinals of Kalamazoo event. He only lost cause his back was bothering him.
well since you so so, i guess its lucky for ole miss that they wont get to play each other in the regular season. and lord knows stanford wont advance far enough in the ncaas to play them either.
Hmmm, what seems like a better achievement? Reaching the semis of a USTA Supernationals, or reaching the finals of a Junior Grand Slam? Tough call, eh?
Actually, it's not. Fedace, you're a ******. You need to find a life and find a brain.
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