Fist pumping, "oomph" and "eyes to the box" "Old fan rant"

graycrait

Hall of Fame
For some historical context: https://tt.tennis-warehouse.com/index.php?search/3082806/&q=fist+pump&o=relevance

This is really starting to cause me some concern. Nearly every point in a pro match ends in a fist pump. When did fist pumping become the "in your face" exclamation that "I" bested you for one single point. The only thing worse is that "oomph" you hear when a sub 30yr old player wins a point then fist pumps.

Why not win a match and then do a happy dance or something? Who is the point for point fist pump or "oomph" for? Online betters, grannies, mommy and daddy?

And glancing at the box for validation or blame for every point one or lost. What the heck is that about? The player did the practice, had a game plan, then execute for a win or loss. Why in "heck" does a player have to glance at some "coach/partner/psychologist/banker after each and every shot?

Don't get me started on necklaces, tattoos and medical time outs:)!
 
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guanzishou

Hall of Fame
Why can't they all play like Suresh? He doesn't do fist pump or yell C'mon! after every single point. The most down to earth pro player ever.
 

JustMy2Cents

Professional
For some historical context: https://tt.tennis-warehouse.com/index.php?search/3082806/&q=fist+pump&o=relevance

This is really starting to cause me some concern. Nearly every point in a pro match ends in a fist pump. When did fist pumping become the "in your face" exclamation that "I" bested you for one single point. The only thing worse is that "oomph" you hear when a sub 30yr old player wins a point then fist pumps.

Why not win a match and then do a happy dance or something? Who is the point for point fist pump or "oomph" for? Online betters, grannies, mommy and daddy?

And glancing at the box for validation or blame for every point one or lost. What the heck is that about? The player did the practice, had a game plan, then execute for a win or lose. Why in "heck" does a player have to glance at some "coach/partner/psychologist/banker after each and every shot?

Don't get me started on necklaces, tattoos and medical time outs:)!
Are we talking about staged fights and OTT reactions as in WWE?
That caters to certain audience.

In tennis, player summons intensity with such encouragement. Try it. you do feel energized.
If you give a robotic performance with no emotions involved, you can't play week in and out. Requires an iron will to even turn up for a tourney that frequently

And what's so wrong with a glance at the box with the pretty gf/ wife yelling out support? The camera is anyway glued there when there is hot specimen!:sneaky:
 

MichaelNadal

Bionic Poster
The Nextgen extended fist pump is especially annoying. It lasts like 20 seconds, they have to make sure both the opponent and the camera catch it.
 

10S-Junkie

Rookie
Maybe you people should go and watch Charlie Chaplin movies or something.
Come on yells after a big point are expected. It's the ones after some of these players win a 15-15 point that are annoying. Organic displays of intensity are great. Constantly doing it to pump youself up or for gamesmanship is not.
Not quite old enough to have enjoyed Chaplin movies but I do prefer the audio of his films compared to a Sabalenka or Sonego match :p
 
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daphne

Hall of Fame
Come on yells after a big point are expected. It's the ones after some of these players win a 15-15 point that are annoying. Organic displays of intensity are great. Constantly doing it to pump youself up or for gamesmanship is not.
Not quite old enough to have enjoyed Chaplin movies but I do prefer the audio of his films compared to a Sabalenka or Sonego match :p
Put yourself in their shoes under the pressure they experience and all the discipline they have to apply to get there and then think about the timing of screams, moans or whatever. Give me a break!
 

10S-Junkie

Rookie
I guess you are reading different words than what I wrote. Read what I wrote again with a unbiased mindset and maybe you'll get my point. If you have played tennis at any level then you should know that it is not good sportsmanship to yell excessively after you win a 15-15 point or grunt loud after you may contact with the ball and extend that grunt to the point that your opponent strikes the ball. Especially since many of these players don't grunt like that during practice sessions.
 

graycrait

Hall of Fame
Put yourself in their shoes under the pressure they experience and all the discipline they have to apply to get there and then think about the timing of screams, moans or whatever. Give me a break!
I started watching TV tennis around circa 1960 when as a lad of 5 or so I ended up living in a tiny house next to a park with 3 beat up asphalt tennis courts. No lessons in this tiny burg but when my brother and I watched the rare match of Rod and Ken or Pancho we would run to the park with beat up wood rackets and pretend. My bro captained his DIII team years later, fella 2 doors down played tennis for a Big 8 team and 3 dudes across town played DI, a gal who was 3 or 4 yrs older than me became a Hall of Fame DIII coach. I know there was shenanigans on the court during those years and the decades that followed but "Give me a break" every point does not need a screech, oomph or fist pump.

They've improved the courts, but the house I grew up behind the courts not that much.
 
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daphne

Hall of Fame
I started watching TV tennis around circa 1960 when as a lad of 5 or so I ended up living in a tiny house next to a park with 3 beat up asphalt tennis courts. No lessons in this tiny burg but when my brother and I watched the rare match of Rod and Ken or Pancho we would run to the park with beat up wood rackets and pretend. My bro captained his DIII team years later, fella 2 doors down played tennis for a Big 8 team and dude across town played Big 10. I know there was shenanigans on the court during those years and the decades that followed but "Give me a break" every point does not need a screech, oomph or fist pump.
Nice but there are people that do not mind it as well as people that do mind it. What do you think a tennis player should think about when playing? Should they think about the game and their play or should they think about how to please the crowd watching them?
 

LOBALOT

Hall of Fame
The USTA tournament kids that play are even worse. After every single shot that ends the point... "Come On!!!!!"..,.,., "Let's Go!!!!" It is just stupid.
 

graycrait

Hall of Fame
Nice but there are people that do not mind it as well as people that do mind it. What do you think a tennis player should think about when playing? Should they think about the game and their play or should they think about how to please the crowd watching them?
I just think these displays have become so cliche' and occur so often it seems more of a learned behavior rather than an "inner" self celebration. I can't count the number of times I have suggested to adult players that it is a total waste of time to berate themselves for a mistake on court. Some make quite a display and I am pretty sure it does no good. I think the same to some extent hurts the rhythm of the game for the ubiquitous celebratory "tics" displayed by many.

However, if I were in the camp that applauds celebratory "tics" I think we should go all the way. Lets make this fun. As a former Army soldier and officer who learned to curse from the best for over 23 yrs I think it would make great reality TV and get more fans if a player said after a winning a point, "I got you you s.........h!" Or "Nice try loser!" Or if your opponent just scored on you, "Lucky shot (insert expletive). I used to honcho a Monday Nite smack talk tennis group. We did not care about tennis skill level within the group but insisted and encouraged good smack talk. Profanity was okay but had to be carefully used. Too much was so boring, but at the exact right time with the right opponent(s) it could be priceless. We even had college professors participate.
 

TopspintheTerrible

Professional
I started watching TV tennis around circa 1960 when as a lad of 5 or so I ended up living in a tiny house next to a park with 3 beat up asphalt tennis courts. No lessons in this tiny burg but when my brother and I watched the rare match of Rod and Ken or Pancho we would run to the park with beat up wood rackets and pretend. My bro captained his DIII team years later, fella 2 doors down played tennis for a Big 8 team and 3 dudes across town played DI, a gal who was 3 or 4 yrs older than me became a Hall of Fame DIII coach. I know there was shenanigans on the court during those years and the decades that followed but "Give me a break" every point does not need a screech, oomph or fist pump.
Listen here whippersnapper, when I started watching tennis in 1912, female players would curtsy & male players would bow. After every point, win or lose.

And the current youngsters don’t hold a flame to the malarkey, shenanigans & balderdash I saw in the 60s & 70s from you hippies. With your long hair, smokin the reefer on changeovers & canoodling with line judges in the locker rooms. It was a damn disgrace. Anarchy even.

So as the kids say, “check yourself.”
 

HBK4life

Professional
It happens out here in usta and tournaments as well. I just laugh. Sometimes I ask if they pulled a muscle if they are really loud.
 

graycrait

Hall of Fame
Thank you, in a small way you have made my day!

Listen here whippersnapper, when I started watching tennis in 1912, female players would curtsy & male players would bow. After every point, win or lose.

And the current youngsters don’t hold a flame to the malarkey, shenanigans & balderdash I saw in the 60s & 70s from you hippies. With your long hair, smokin the reefer on changeovers & canoodling with line judges in the locker rooms. It was a damn disgrace. Anarchy even.

So as the kids say, “check yourself.”
 

daphne

Hall of Fame
I just think these displays have become so cliche' and occur so often it seems more of a learned behavior rather than an "inner" self celebration. I can't count the number of times I have suggested to adult players that it is a total waste of time to berate themselves for a mistake on court. Some make quite a display and I am pretty sure it does no good. I think the same to some extent hurts the rhythm of the game for the ubiquitous celebratory "tics" displayed by many.

However, if I were in the camp that applauds celebratory "tics" I think we should go all the way. Lets make this fun. As a former Army soldier and officer who learned to curse from the best for over 23 yrs I think it would make great reality TV and get more fans if a player said after a winning a point, "I got you you s.........h!" Or "Nice try loser!" Or if your opponent just scored on you, "Lucky shot (insert expletive). I used to honcho a Monday Nite smack talk tennis group. We did not care about tennis skill level within the group but insisted and encouraged good smack talk. Profanity was okay but had to be carefully used. Too much was so boring, but at the exact right time with the right opponent(s) it could be priceless. We even had college professors participate.
You just overlooked one small thing by offering your examples - rules.
 

graycrait

Hall of Fame
You just overlooked one small thing by offering your examples - rules.
If it proved to be a money maker the rules would be changed so fast as to make our heads spin.

ITF allowed "cheatalon" strings, giant headed rackets (65"+), "yellow" balls for TV, jumping over the baseline before contact on serve, whatever served the money making component of pro tennis. Cigarette companies used to "pimp" their wares through tennis. I am surprised that I haven't seen Purdue Pharma promote Oxycontin during tennis matches.
 

Seth

Legend
The glances to the box are the worst IMO. Well, the between-sets bathroom break is the worst. But glances are annoying too. Stand on your own.
 
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