Fixed clamp upgrading

djNEiGht

Hall of Fame
Has anyone upgraded their clamps?

I have a Gamma Progression 602 FC with a Wise. The generation of the stringer I have has the following clamps.





The following from Gamma cost $140 and has caught my eye



The next clamps are also from Gamma but say they do not fit the 602 with GRAY BASE. Are they referring to the base clamp? Turntable? $100



This is what my turntable and base clamps look like. Some differences I see are the black contact points on the v-mounts and I think the font on the tray is different. This picture seems to have the Universal FC



I also saw these fr Big T but don't know anything about these regarding fit and or performance. They run $97



Thanks!
 

sp1derman

Semi-Pro
Has anyone upgraded their clamps?

I have a Gamma Progression 602 FC with a Wise. The generation of the stringer I have has the following clamps.





The following from Gamma cost $140 and has caught my eye



The next clamps are also from Gamma but say they do not fit the 602 with GRAY BASE. Are they referring to the base clamp? Turntable? $100



This is what my turntable and base clamps look like. Some differences I see are the black contact points on the v-mounts and I think the font on the tray is different. This picture seems to have the Universal FC



I also saw these fr Big T but don't know anything about these regarding fit and or performance. They run $97



Thanks!
I have the same machine as you with the wise tension head. I replaced the original clamps with what looks like the $100 clamps you have pictured there. Now I'm second guessing myself and thinking maybe I have the $140 version and I just strung a racquet and I can't remember. I'll look in the am. There is hope though!
 

Znak

Professional
I was thinking of upgrading my pros pro clamps. Curious to know if there's noticeable benefits from doing so?
 

Irvin

Talk Tennis Guru
It's always nice to have upgraded clamps. Just because the clamps are new does not mean they're better (an upgrade.) I'd have a serious talk with Gamma before I went for an upgrade. I would not just buy any cheap clamps, the better clamps aren't cheap.
 

brownbearfalling

Hall of Fame
Eagnas also sells clamp replacements. Slightly cheaper price point. I would recommend their PN 1012 clamps. They are modeled after Babolat Star 5/ Sensor clamps. I owned a stringer with those clamps and they worked well.
 

djNEiGht

Hall of Fame
It's always nice to have upgraded clamps. Just because the clamps are new does not mean they're better (an upgrade.) I'd have a serious talk with Gamma before I went for an upgrade. I would not just buy any cheap clamps, the better clamps aren't cheap.
One reason why I'm interested in new clamps is that the pins that hold the cam lever keeps slipping out. I noticed that the c-clip came off. I was able to find a c-clip in my misc parts bin that is now holding the pin in place but now another c-clip went missing. Still able to confidently string. I just keep an eye on that pin when clamping.

The other reason is that the teeth seems to be bulky compared to the metal bodied ones and would be helpful to me when in a tight spot being able to get the clamp as close as possible to the frame.

I have not had any strings slipping and I clean the clamping surface from time to time.
 

djNEiGht

Hall of Fame
I would not just buy any cheap clamps, the better clamps aren't cheap.
I hear you...and am hesitant to purchase the ProsPro clamp. I bought a ProsPro starting clamp and when pulling knots it slips where as my Gamma and another one I can't remember the brand do not. The ProsPro has been relegated to a full time bridge clamp which has been doing a good job at that.
 

djNEiGht

Hall of Fame
I have the same machine as you with the wise tension head. I replaced the original clamps with what looks like the $100 clamps you have pictured there. Now I'm second guessing myself and thinking maybe I have the $140 version and I just strung a racquet and I can't remember. I'll look in the am. There is hope though!
appreciate it
 

djNEiGht

Hall of Fame
Eagnas also sells clamp replacements. Slightly cheaper price point. I would recommend their PN 1012 clamps. They are modeled after Babolat Star 5/ Sensor clamps. I owned a stringer with those clamps and they worked well.
what machine did you put them on? I wonder if base clamps have different dimensions for specific clamps
 

Irvin

Talk Tennis Guru
I hear you...and am hesitant to purchase the ProsPro clamp. I bought a ProsPro starting clamp and when pulling knots it slips where as my Gamma and another one I can't remember the brand do not. The ProsPro has been relegated to a full time bridge clamp which has been doing a good job at that.
I have a Pro's Pro too but I would not use if for a bridge I don't trust it at all.
 

djNEiGht

Hall of Fame
I have a Pro's Pro too but I would not use if for a bridge I don't trust it at all.
i've been fortunate with it for a good amount of time. Give it a go if you like.

btw...are you using that clamp then and for what uses?
 

Irvin

Talk Tennis Guru
i've been fortunate with it for a good amount of time. Give it a go if you like.

btw...are you using that clamp then and for what uses?
Do use that clamp to start my mains because it is so weak. I clamp the second main outside the frame with it then I clamp the second main inside the frame with a machine clamp. I then hand pull the first main so there is a tad bit of back pressure on the machine clamp provided by the starting clamp. Then I start tensioning my mains. Similar to the way R Parnell starts his mains except I set the starting clamp first then the machine clamp.
 

zinzan8

New User
Eagnas also sells clamp replacements. Slightly cheaper price point. I would recommend their PN 1012 clamps. They are modeled after Babolat Star 5/ Sensor clamps. I owned a stringer with those clamps and they worked well.
Just make sure it's what you want. Don't bother emailing them to ask if their clamp is compatible with your non-Eagnas machine, or for parts measurements!
 

sp1derman

Semi-Pro
appreciate it
I have the $100 clamps. Not sure why they say they aren't compatible. I bought mine a few years ago and maybe they've changed or something. I'm not sure what they mean by gray base either. Also, I echo what many others have said as far as starting clamps go. I have two gamma clamps. One I use as a bridge and they work great and aren't as expensive as the babolat and other high-end brands.
 

tennisbike

Semi-Pro
the pins that hold the cam lever keeps slipping out. I noticed that the c-clip came off.
Another owner of 602FC here.. when I bought mine for $200 a couple of years ago, I found that the screw? that held or keep the clamp tight sometime cannot be tightened. Then I discovered it was bent or something. Finally I just went to a hardware store and bought some machine screw I think and replaced them. Now the clamps works fine. Yes, they are a bit bulky. But I found a way to start center mains without having them interfering each other.
I am cheap, so if a hardware store $5 solution would do the trick I would not spend $1000. Just me. Sure I love to add a Wise to the 602FC. I can dream.
 

djNEiGht

Hall of Fame
Do use that clamp to start my mains because it is so weak. I clamp the second main outside the frame with it then I clamp the second main inside the frame with a machine clamp. I then hand pull the first main so there is a tad bit of back pressure on the machine clamp provided by the starting clamp. Then I start tensioning my mains. Similar to the way R Parnell starts his mains except I set the starting clamp first then the machine clamp.
I start my mains similar but don’t hand pull. I just set the tension head to 15#.
 

tennisbike

Semi-Pro
I start my mains similar but don’t hand pull. I just set the tension head to 15#.
My main starting routine came from Irvin. Weave L1 R1 then L2. Clamp L2 inside frame w starting clamp (padded w a wooden cloth pin), pull L1, clamp w right clamp, pull R1, clamp, pull R2 clamp. Pull R3 clamp, pull/clamp L2, 3....
SM number verified and I have been happy w the method.
 

Karma Tennis

Hall of Fame
I also saw these fr Big T but don't know anything about these regarding fit and or performance. They run $97
They appear to be ProsPro Fixed Clamps. I have a couple of them and when they are properly adjusted they work fine. I just find them a bit fiddly to properly adjust.

I also have a couple of Eagnas PN-1012 Clamps that I use frequently and they work just as well. They seem to be easier to adjust than the ProsPro ones so they are probably more useful when using a range of strings.

I have done the same string job using each pair of fixed clamps and get pretty much the same result each time. I originally thought that the five pronged clamps would hold the string tension better than the three pronged clamps. But I have not observed that to be the case in my testing.

I also have a Pros Pro Starting Clamp and a Babolat Starting Clamp. I have never had a problem with the Pros Pro Starting clamp but I do clean it on a regular basis. I purchased the Babolat Starting Clamp at a very good price thinking the Pros Pro clamp wouldn't last very long. Two years later, and the Babolat clamp is still in its bag in pristine condition.
 

Irvin

Talk Tennis Guru
Great to see that credit is given to the originator. I try to teach that in my classrooms.
On no plagiarize by all means. I get lots of ideas from others and pass them on as my own. Dark and Paul used a starting clamp inside the frame with no clothespin. I though that might damage the grommets or frame so my twist was to use a clothespin.
 

Tar Heel Tennis

Professional
I believe @Herb has both a Baiardo and Baiardo L. The 5 tooth Baiardo L clamps are presumably nicer than the 4 tooth clamp that comes with the Baiardo. I understand that the L clamps do fit on the Baiardo machine. Does anyone know if Wilson is selling the 5 tooth clamp independently now? TIA.
 

Brand77

New User
Those $97 clamps (Pro's pro T140) are the ones that are on my Comet stringer. They also have a "professional" version T180 which has diamond coated and they appear to be the $100 clamps in your list.
When purchasing my stringer I asked if I could exchange the clamps for the T180 but that was not possible. But at some point I'll buy them anyway since I am struggling to adjust the standard clamps just right.
First I am going to try quick sanding with 40 grit to see if I can't get some more grip out of them.
 

Karma Tennis

Hall of Fame
First I am going to try quick sanding with 40 grit to see if I can't get some more grip out of them.
Before you do that, give them a thorough clean with pipe cleaners or strips of white cloth that have been dipped in a generous amount of decent quality isopropyl alcohol. It might just do the trick. If it does, do it regularly - perhaps after every 5 string jobs or so.
 

Wes

Semi-Pro
@djNEiGht

I tried to address each of the questions/concerns that you mentioned in your initial post.
Here are my thoughts...
After my comparison/comments on the clamps, you also may want to jump to a couple of quick comments at the 36:10, 43:30 and 44:50 marks.


Also, here are some photos that I took - back when I had a 5 tooth black composite Gamma clamp to compare against the (older style) 5 tooth metal Gamma clamp.
As I mentioned in the video, the black composite clamps (that you currently have) and the older style 5 tooth metal clamps have very similar dimensions - as you can see below.

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