FO 2017 R3: Andy Murray vs Juan Martin Del Potro

Murray or Delpo?

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mike danny

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Del Potro has won their last BO5 match at Davis Cup last year, but this is their first slam meeting since USO 2008. The overall H2H is heavily in Andy's favor.

Who wins this one? Murray is desperately searching for some form. Also, I believe he has never beaten Delpo on clay.

I pick Delpo in 5.
 
Unfortunately, I believe it will be Murray in 4. I watched a bit of the second set and Almagro had Del Potro under control for a while, and even threatened to take it 6-2. I don't think Del Potro can sustain a sufficiently high level of aggression over 3-4 sets to defeat even this version of Murray.
 
mike danny said:
Del Potro has won their last BO5 match at Davis Cup last year, but this is their first slam meeting since USO 2008. The overall H2H is heavily in Andy's favor.

Who wins this one? Murray is desperately searching for some form.
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He put in 2 very patchy performances in his first 2 matches but got through against a couple of potentially dangerous opponents. He will need to step it up against Del Potro and he knows this.

mike danny said:
Also, I believe he has never beaten Delpo on clay.
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Technically he has. He beat him at the infamous Rome encounter back in 2008 when words were bandied about concerning Andy's mum. They were a set all, had the famous argument during a changeover and then Del Potro retired after losing the 1st game of the deciding set. Del Potro then beat Murray in Madrid the following year.

mike danny said:
I pick Delpo in 5.
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Could well be. Just hoping for a good match.
 
Mainad said:
Interesting, the number of British posters on here who absolutely hate Murray.
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I'm not a hater. In fact, I like Murray, and cheers as loudly as anyone when he wins a big match.

It's just that I am a bigger fan of JMDP, who is an inspiration to anyone who has ever struggled to come back from serious injury. Also, I have found Murray's on-court tantrums to be getting even worse lately. I was sat close enough to the players box on Chatrier to hear some of the stuff he was saying on Tuesday. I found it crude and offensive, and I'm not sure how the people in his box continue to put up with the insults. It's always someone else's fault, and never his.
 
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MarcusInKensington said:
I'm not a hater. In fact, I like Murray, and cheers as loudly as anyone when he wins a big match.

It's just that I am a bigger fan of JMDP, who is an inspiration to anyone who has ever struggled to come back from serious injury. Also, I have found Murray's on-court tantrums to be getting even worse lately. I was sat close enough to the players box on Chatrier to hear some of the stuff he was saying on Tuesday. I found it crude and offensive, and I'm not sure how the people in his box continue to put up with the insults. It's always someone else's fault, and never his.
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First off: Del Potro is a nice guy but don't go thinking he is some kind of saint on court. He has his moments, believe me. Ask Robin Haase about the unbelievably crude insult Del Potro made in Spanish about his mother during a recent encounter.

Secondly: I agree Murray does grumble and swear on court especially when under pressure. But his team all know that he never means any of the stuff he might shout at them, not that he should do it of course. They are all remarkably loyal to him and wouldn't hang around for long if he really blamed them for his failings on court.
 
Judging by the comments, Murray should reach the QF here. Other than Delpo, who, according to some, is not great, Murray has a clear path.
 
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What are Del Potro's current physical issues, and how is his backhand looking? In an interview he said he still sometimes got a little sad about it not being where it once was, but was happy that it was now at a good level again.
 
Probably Delpo is not fit enough to beat this version of Murray. Both are far worse from their magical 2016 matches, but at least Murray's still got the stamina.
Delpo, not so much :oops::(
 
Doesn't matter how bad Murray plays, I still don't think Del Potro has a chance. Will probably choke on all the big points.
 
fps said:
What are Del Potro's current physical issues, and how is his backhand looking? In an interview he said he still sometimes got a little sad about it not being where it once was, but was happy that it was now at a good level again.
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his 2hbh is a slow process which is why he only uses it sometimes..claims with more physio and matches/confidence he can recover 2hbh.

last week he had a shoulder/back niggle but had a scan and was ok, today he said he felt tightness in his groin (oo-er), had some anti-inflammatory pills but then mal aggro retired. he said it wasn't a big deal though.
 
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Gazelle said:
What happened to Delpo after 2016?
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Not sure, he gave it his all at the DC and then missed the AO etc. Have been struggling with various non-wrist injuries all year afaik, but also hitting fewer topspin backhands than in 2016. Something's wrong
 
Chanwan said:
you can say many things about Delpo, but a choker he's not
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If you look at his career, you will find out he had just a few great tournaments and that's it. But other than that, looks on his head to head against Federer, Djokovic, Murray. And it's not like he had no chances. He had chances to beat them, but he lost almost every close match against top players.
 
del potro didn't expect to be playing tennis in late November in dc final..

he wanted to have a proper break with a proper pre-season after playing 44matches in 2016, but that meant missing AO.
 
Newcomer said:
If you look at his career, you will find out he had just a few great tournaments and that's it. But other than that, looks on his head to head against Federer, Djokovic, Murray. And it's not like he had no chances. He had chances to beat them, but he lost almost every close match against top players.
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5-10 vs. Fed from the FO 09 onwards, I'd say they pretty much shared the close ones.
3-4 vs. Murray from 2009 onwards, same.
4-14 vs. Novak, generally he's just gotten beaten. They've each won a few close ones, Novak more so (but hey, who does that better than him?)
5-5 vs. Rafa, excluding their 3 2007 matches. I suppose you could say W 2011 and IW 2013 were matches where Delpo had chances (the latter, he ran out of gas after beating Andy and Novak in succession and going up a set and a break in the final), but he edged out a few close ones himself.

Case closed.
 
Chanwan said:
5-10 vs. Fed from the FO 09 onwards, I'd say they pretty much shared the close ones.
3-4 vs. Murray from 2009 onwards, same.
4-14 vs. Novak, generally he's just gotten beaten. They've each won a few close ones, Novak more so (but hey, who does that better than him?)
5-5 vs. Rafa, excluding their 3 2007 matches. I suppose you could say W 2011 and IW 2013 were matches where Delpo had chances (the latter, he ran out of gas after beating Andy and Novak in succession and going up a set and a break in the final), but he edged out a few close ones himself.

Case closed.
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You know, matches like Olympics 2012 semifinal or Wimbledon 2013 semifinal are matches he never should have lost. He just missed chance after chance and ended up losing. And so many times he took a set or two from Djokovic, but almost never won the match.
 
Mainad said:
First off: Del Potro is a nice guy but don't go thinking he is some kind of saint on court. He has his moments, believe me. Ask Robin Haase about the unbelievably crude insult Del Potro made in Spanish about his mother during a recent encounter.

Secondly: I agree Murray does grumble and swear on court especially when under pressure. But his team all know that he never means any of the stuff he might shout at them, not that he should do it of course. They are all remarkably loyal to him and wouldn't hang around for long if he really blamed them for his failings on court.
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Pouille is also not a big fan of The Tower.
 
Newcomer said:
You know, matches like Olympics 2012 semifinal or Wimbledon 2013 semifinal are matches he never should have lost. He just missed chance after chance and ended up losing. And so many times he took a set or two from Djokovic, but almost never won the match.
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I gave you the full picture, but like many others here, you're completely locked in your view and there are no facts or arguments that can turn you away from what you - for reasons unknown - think is true.

Your 2 examples are matches, he could have won. Not should have won. If anything, Djoko should have won that obe sooner rather than going to the fifth.
Djoko won 12 more points, won 35 % of his return points vs. 31 % for Delpo and converted a mere 3 out of 15 BPs, cause Delpo was clutch down BP - even without having a great serving day (4 aces to Djoko's 22!). Delpo went 2/7, i.e. less than half the chances to break.
http://www.atpworldtour.com/en/play...verview/match-stats/540/2013/D683/match-stats
https://www.theguardian.com/sport/2013/jul/05/novak-djokovic-del-potro-wimbledon-semi

Fed-Delpo Olympics, a better case, sure, but again - he won fewer points (6 fewer) and had half the chances to break (2/7 for Delpo, 2/13 for Fed). I.e. Delpo more clutch at saving BPs. Despite being the worse server on the day (11/5 aces and DF's vs. 22/2 for Fed).
http://www.atpworldtour.com/en/play...overview/match-stats/96/2012/D683/match-stats
https://www.theguardian.com/sport/2012/aug/03/roger-federer-del-potro-olympics

As for Djokovic, taking a set of him in the years he did, was a feat in and of itself. Djoko ain't a good match up for him, yet he still made a fair number of them somewhat close. The few he's one, have also been close.

Again, you have no case.
 
Chanwan said:
I gave you the full picture, but like many others here, you're completely locked in your view and there are no facts or arguments that can turn you away from what you - for reasons unknown - think is true.

Your 2 examples are matches, he could have won. Not should have won. If anything, Djoko should have won that obe sooner rather than going to the fifth.
Djoko won 12 more points, won 35 % of his return points vs. 31 % for Delpo and converted a mere 3 out of 15 BPs, cause Delpo was clutch down BP - even without having a great serving day (4 aces to Djoko's 22!). Delpo went 2/7, i.e. less than half the chances to break.
http://www.atpworldtour.com/en/play...verview/match-stats/540/2013/D683/match-stats
https://www.theguardian.com/sport/2013/jul/05/novak-djokovic-del-potro-wimbledon-semi

Fed-Delpo Olympics, a better case, sure, but again - he won fewer points (6 fewer) and had half the chances to break (2/7 for Delpo, 2/13 for Fed). I.e. Delpo more clutch at saving BPs. Despite being the worse server on the day (11/5 aces and DF's vs. 22/2 for Fed).
http://www.atpworldtour.com/en/play...overview/match-stats/96/2012/D683/match-stats
https://www.theguardian.com/sport/2012/aug/03/roger-federer-del-potro-olympics

As for Djokovic, taking a set of him in the years he did, was a feat in and of itself. Djoko ain't a good match up for him, yet he still made a fair number of them somewhat close. The few he's one, have also been close.

Again, you have no case.
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Come on, I'm not going to argue. My point is that a normal person will never bet on Del Potro beating a big-4 player. And it doesn't matter how bad they play, his chances to beat them are still limited.
 
I was working so I didn't see the match (I could follow the score on my phone). I see it was 3 hours and 35 minutes. Personally I think this is a good thing.
I don't see him getting past Del Potro at his current level and he has hardly played all year so I am glad he is getting longer matches in now to play himself back in to form.

I am not even thinking of Wimbledon right now, I am hoping he will play himself back in to form by US Open time, and this year he will not be burned out when it comes around like 2016, or thinking about the Davis Cup like 2015 or coming back of a back surgery like 2014 or playing through said major back injury like 2013. This could be his best chance at it since 2012.

If Del Potro beats him, then a 5 set loss would be nice please.
 
Flint said:
I was working so I didn't see the match (I could follow the score on my phone). I see it was 3 hours and 35 minutes. Personally I think this is a good thing.
I don't see him getting past Del Potro at his current level and he has hardly played all year so I am glad he is getting longer matches in now to play himself back in to form.

I am not even thinking of Wimbledon right now, I am hoping he will play himself back in to form by US Open time, and this year he will not be burned out when it comes around like 2016, or thinking about the Davis Cup like 2015 or coming back of a back surgery like 2014 or playing through said major back injury like 2013. This could be his best chance at it since 2012.

If Del Potro beats him, then a 5 set loss would be nice please.
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Murray played way too much tennis last season, so I am not surprised in the downturn. I do feel it is only temporary, and he will regroup and get back into it quite soon.
 
Hitman said:
Murray played way too much tennis last season, so I am not surprised in the downturn. I do feel it is only temporary, and he will regroup and get back into it quite soon.
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Do you think this may actually help him with a US Open run in the way I wrote?
 
Hitman said:
Do you mean, him having the downturn because of last year?
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No I mean, because of his current slump, he has hardly played at all this year. This will result in him being very fresh by the time he plays the US Open (much fresher than previous years), and he should also be getting back in to form by then.

If so, then he would be in form and fresh.
 
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