FO, Wimbledon, USO winners 1968-2004

AAAA

Hall of Fame
From 1968 to 2004, a 38 year span the winners of the FO, Wimbledon and USO are as follows(assuming my records are correct):

FO Winners
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1999 F Agassi
1974 F Borg
1980 F Borg
1981 F Borg
1979 F Borg
1978 F Borg
1975 F Borg
1993 F Bruguera
1994 F Bruguera
1989 F Chang
2002 F Costa
1991 F Courier
1992 F Courier
2003 F Ferrero
2004 F Gaudio
1972 F Gimeno
1990 F Gomez
1996 F Kafelnikov
1970 F Kodes
1971 F Kodes
1997 F Kuerten
2000 F Kuerten
2001 F Kuerten
1969 F Laver
1987 F Lendl
1984 F Lendl
1986 F Lendl
1998 F Moya
1995 F Muster
1973 F Nastase
1983 F Noah
1976 F Panatta
1968 F Rosewall
1977 F Vilas
1982 F Wilander
1985 F Wilander
1988 F Wilander

I make that 23 different winners in the last 38 years not including 2005.

Wimbledon Winners
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1992 W Agassi
1975 W Ashe
1989 W Becker
1986 W Becker
1985 W Becker
1978 W Borg
1979 W Borg
1980 W Borg
1977 W Borg
1976 W Borg
1987 W Cash
1974 W Connors
1982 W Connors
1990 W Edberg
1988 W Edberg
2003 W Federer
2004 W Federer
2002 W Hewitt
2001 W Ivanisevic
1973 W Kodes
1996 W Krajicek
1969 W Laver
1968 W Laver
1981 W McEnroe
1983 W McEnroe
1984 W McEnroe
1970 W Newcombe
1971 W Newcombe
1999 W Sampras
1997 W Sampras
1995 W Sampras
1994 W Sampras
1993 W Sampras
1998 W Sampras
2000 W Sampras
1972 W Smith
1991 W Stich

18 different winners in the last 38 years not including 2005.


USO Winners
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1994 U Agassi
1999 U Agassi
1968 U Ashe
1989 U Becker
1976 U Connors
1983 U Connors
1974 U Connors
1982 U Connors
1978 U Connors
1992 U Edberg
1991 U Edberg
2004 U Federer
2001 U Hewitt
1969 U Laver
1985 U Lendl
1987 U Lendl
1986 U Lendl
1981 U McEnroe
1980 U McEnroe
1979 U McEnroe
1984 U McEnroe
1972 U Nastase
1973 U Newcombe
1975 U Orantes
1997 U Rafter
1998 U Rafter
2003 U Roddick
1970 U Rosewall
2000 U Safin
1996 U Sampras
1993 U Sampras
2002 U Sampras
1995 U Sampras
1990 U Sampras
1971 U Smith
1977 U Vilas
1988 U Wilander

21 different winners in the last 38 years not including 2005.


so
FO 23 different winners
W 18 different winners
U 21 different winners

in last 38 years not including 2005.

All those posters who convince others to believe the French Open produces highly anomalous winners much of the time need to realise it's not that much different at two of the other 3 slams. Over 38 years there's not much difference between 23,21 and 18. The Aus Open hasn't been included because participation from the top-players hasn't always been great.

The USO has not always been played on hardcourts so maybe someone can fill in which finals were played on grass and clay.

Final note, this is not a thread about which surface has better champions, true champions, or the real champions.
 

Kevin Patrick

Hall of Fame
I think you misunderstood what the posters were trying to say about the French: out of all those slam winners, the French has produced the least amount of players able to win at slams other than the French. And the least amount of players able to achieve the #1 ranking.

Also a 38 year span doesn't take into account how "specialized" the French has become in recent years. Since 1990(when the depth in men's tennis increased substantially) the French has more "one slam wonders" than the other slams.

To answer your question about the US Open, hardcourts became the surface in 1978. From '75 to '77 it was on clay. Pre '75 the surface was grass.
 

AAAA

Hall of Fame
Kevin Patrick said:
out of all those slam winners, the French has produced the least amount of players able to win at slams other than the French. And the least amount of players able to achieve the #1 ranking.
That's because s&v and relatively flat power baselining is a viable tactic on grass and hardcourts. Essentially the same game can yield good results on both surfaces with minor adjustments. But a clay-courter needs to change his game dramatically to compete on hard or grass.
 

Kevin Patrick

Hall of Fame
I think the year the French truly became specialized was 1993. During the men's final NBC showed a revealing statistic. Bruguera's career winning % on clay was high, his career winning % on all other surfaces combined was very low. Bud Collins & McEnroe were pretty shocked by that stat.

Here are some more interesting stats:
Bruguera: 14 career titles, all on clay
Muster: 44 career titles, 40 on clay
Moya: 18 career titles, 15 on clay
Costa:12 career titles, all on clay
Ferrero:11 career titles, 8 on clay
Gaudio:5 titles, all on clay

One time slammers Stich, Ivanisevic, & Krajicek have all won titles on 3 different surfaces.
 

AAAA

Hall of Fame
Kevin, do you agree with the following points:

1) S&V tennis has been used successfully as a style of play to win Wimbledon and the USO when it's been played on hardcourts.

2) Sliding into your shots and hitting loopy heavy topspin shots has not generally been used as a style of play to win Wimbledon or the USO.

3) At Wimbledon and the USO when it's been played on hardcourts, a style of play that aims to end the point quickly either by s&v play or power flat baselining has proved very successful and that this style of play is not the norm for clay court specialists.

If you agree with all 3 points would you then agree that there is only one slam that favours the normal game of specialist clay-courters while all the other slams favour the fast courters style of play.
 

edberg505

Legend
Actually S&Vers have done pretty well at the French. Just never good enough to win it. Stich, Edberg, and Johnny Mac just to name a few that made it to the finals.
 

AAAA

Hall of Fame
edberg505 said:
Actually S&Vers have done pretty well at the French. Just never good enough to win it. Stich, Edberg, and Johnny Mac just to name a few that made it to the finals.
Those three reached one FO final apiece. That hardly validates s&v as a good play on the surface. Also the year stich reached the finals was the year Sampras beat Bruguera and Courier and it was also the year the courts were baked dry by the unusally hot weather so they played more like hardcourts according to some.
 

rhubarb

Hall of Fame
edberg505 said:
Actually S&Vers have done pretty well at the French. Just never good enough to win it. Stich, Edberg, and Johnny Mac just to name a few that made it to the finals.
Don't forget Yannick Noah, and he actually won the thing ;)
 

edberg505

Legend
oh wow, how could i forget good ole Yannick. That was just a little bit before my time. I wish I could have seen him play.
 
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