Fonseca has very limited potential

GRASScaraz

Hall of Fame
If you break down his game - everything is either average or below average. Forehand in particular is spectacularly average. There is no power or penetration to it.

His serve is also very average for his height (this recalls Berdych). His backhand is weak against high balls, and furthermore his slice is poor so the one redeeming feature about having a one-hander is negated. His movement is above average for his height, but he is taller than average, so his movement is average overall. He just doesn't seem to have any weapons at all, and his defense is merely average, so doesn't compensate for it.

Honestly, it seems that the only reason he is getting semi-decent results is that he has mentally matured faster than the other players in his peer group. That is something that just comes with age, so my Fonseca is that as soon as his peers catch up to him in maturity (which is an inevitability), they will leave Fonseca far behind
 
If you break down his game - everything is either average or below average. Forehand in particular is spectacularly average. There is no power or penetration to it.

His serve is also very average for his height (this recalls Berdych). His backhand is weak against high balls, and furthermore his slice is poor so the one redeeming feature about having a one-hander is negated. His movement is above average for his height, but he is taller than average, so his movement is average overall. He just doesn't seem to have any weapons at all, and his defense is merely average, so doesn't compensate for it.

Honestly, it seems that the only reason he is getting semi-decent results is that he has mentally matured faster than the other players in his peer group. That is something that just comes with age, so my Fonseca is that as soon as his peers catch up to him in maturity (which is an inevitability), they will leave Fonseca far behind

You are making the BASIC mistake of assuming that his opponents are going to be of decent caliber and thus that he cannot get away with being mediocre. In fact, of course, we are living through the Weakest Era of All Time and this Weak Era is the gift that keeps on giving (in other words, it keeps on getting weaker and weaker). Thus, a player who is merely mediocre/average is in fact going to absolutely dominate the field for at least a decade. For example, you compared Fonseca to Berdych. The current men's #1 is a Weak Era Berdych who would struggle to take Berdych to five (I doubt Berdych would often beat him in straight sets, but he'd rarely need five).
 

TheSlicer

Hall of Fame
You are making the BASIC mistake of assuming that his opponents are going to be of decent caliber and thus that he cannot get away with being mediocre. In fact, of course, we are living through the Weakest Era of All Time and this Weak Era is the gift that keeps on giving (in other words, it keeps on getting weaker and weaker). Thus, a player who is merely mediocre/average is in fact going to absolutely dominate the field for at least a decade. For example, you compared Fonseca to Berdych. The current men's #1 is a Weak Era Berdych who would struggle to take Berdych to five (I doubt Berdych would often beat him in straight sets, but he'd rarely need give).
man he doesnt even know fonseca plays a two hander, he doesnt know anything about the player, his trolling is far below average.
 

Winner Sinner

Hall of Fame
He has the stigmata of the predestined, no stories.
If this in the future does not become a new number 1 in the world I would be very disappointed by the vibrations that many of us are having on him.

Yes, with him joining Sinneraz tennis in the next 10/15 years is in good hands, no one among the fans of this sport will regret the era of the big three, also because the style that these 3 bring is rock.
 

3loudboys

G.O.A.T.
If you break down his game - everything is either average or below average. Forehand in particular is spectacularly average. There is no power or penetration to it.

His serve is also very average for his height (this recalls Berdych). His backhand is weak against high balls, and furthermore his slice is poor so the one redeeming feature about having a one-hander is negated. His movement is above average for his height, but he is taller than average, so his movement is average overall. He just doesn't seem to have any weapons at all, and his defense is merely average, so doesn't compensate for it.

Honestly, it seems that the only reason he is getting semi-decent results is that he has mentally matured faster than the other players in his peer group. That is something that just comes with age, so my Fonseca is that as soon as his peers catch up to him in maturity (which is an inevitability), they will leave Fonseca far behind
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jm1972

Semi-Pro
If you break down his game - everything is either average or below average. Forehand in particular is spectacularly average. There is no power or penetration to it.

His serve is also very average for his height (this recalls Berdych). His backhand is weak against high balls, and furthermore his slice is poor so the one redeeming feature about having a one-hander is negated. His movement is above average for his height, but he is taller than average, so his movement is average overall. He just doesn't seem to have any weapons at all, and his defense is merely average, so doesn't compensate for it.

Honestly, it seems that the only reason he is getting semi-decent results is that he has mentally matured faster than the other players in his peer group. That is something that just comes with age, so my Fonseca is that as soon as his peers catch up to him in maturity (which is an inevitability), they will leave Fonseca far behind

Not your best work here but I generally appreciate your shtposting threads.
 

marclind1234

New User
If you break down his game - everything is either average or below average. Forehand in particular is spectacularly average. There is no power or penetration to it.

His serve is also very average for his height (this recalls Berdych). His backhand is weak against high balls, and furthermore his slice is poor so the one redeeming feature about having a one-hander is negated. His movement is above average for his height, but he is taller than average, so his movement is average overall. He just doesn't seem to have any weapons at all, and his defense is merely average, so doesn't compensate for it.

Honestly, it seems that the only reason he is getting semi-decent results is that he has mentally matured faster than the other players in his peer group. That is something that just comes with age, so my Fonseca is that as soon as his peers catch up to him in maturity (which is an inevitability), they will leave Fonseca far behind
lol, have you watched him play??
 

ibbi

G.O.A.T.
No power or penetration to his forehand?? Granted, I've seen him play 1 match, but based on that 1 match, his forehand looked the equal of the not bad one across the net. I thought his USE of slice was very well done, and one of the highlights of the match. I'm sure he can improve his technique.

Is this a troll thread? It is truly tough to tell these days.
 

TennisBro

Hall of Fame

Fonseca has very limited potential​

Djokovic, Medvedev, Sinner and quite a few other great tennis players have demonstrated low chances of becoming top ten players when they were 18 years old. Some of those young 18 year olds were not even in top 200, or top 500 in case of Medvedev for example, ATP rankings then. Joao is already getting into top 100 best world players. Click and Bait while smoking GRASS
 

FedForGOAT

Professional
You are making the BASIC mistake of assuming that his opponents are going to be of decent caliber and thus that he cannot get away with being mediocre. In fact, of course, we are living through the Weakest Era of All Time and this Weak Era is the gift that keeps on giving (in other words, it keeps on getting weaker and weaker). Thus, a player who is merely mediocre/average is in fact going to absolutely dominate the field for at least a decade. For example, you compared Fonseca to Berdych. The current men's #1 is a Weak Era Berdych who would struggle to take Berdych to five (I doubt Berdych would often beat him in straight sets, but he'd rarely need five).
Sinner moves better than Berdych, and movement is probably the most defining aspect of great tennis champions.

He also hits better on the run, generates more spin, and returns better than Berdych. I’d also say he’s mentally stronger, but that’s harder to evaluate objectively.

The only edge berdych has, is he has slightly “easier” flat power.

For your own wellbeing and safety, please do not bet on tennis, if these are your opinions.
 

FedForGOAT

Professional

Fonseca has very limited potential​

Djokovic, Medvedev, Sinner and quite a few other great tennis players have demonstrated low chances of becoming top ten players when they were 18 years old. Some of those young 18 year olds were not even in top 200, or top 500 in case of Medvedev for example, ATP rankings then. Joao is already getting into top 100 best world players. Click and Bait while smoking GRASS
Low chances? Sinner and Djokovic both finished their 18yo year (2005 for Djokovic, 2019 for Sinner) ranked an identical 78 in the world, per Wikipedia.

I’d say that shows great chances of being top 10, given that almost no one is Nadal.

Low chances? Do people do research before posting here?
 

TennisBro

Hall of Fame
Low chances? Sinner and Djokovic both finished their 18yo year (2005 for Djokovic, 2019 for Sinner) ranked an identical 78 in the world, per Wikipedia.

I’d say that shows great chances of being top 10, given that almost no one is Nadal.

Low chances? Do people do research before posting here?
The OP suggested Joao Fonseca has "low chances" of becoming a top player. I brought in more examples to articulate. My notion truly can be understood as flawed, since Jannik and Novak have been in similar position as Joao is; for that, I deserve this.

I do my research most of the time. I tend to respect great next gen players. But does that matter to some of the TTW dull discussions about great 18 year olds? I don't suppose you see the irony of this thread, when an amazing tennis player's just risen over a thousand ATP ranking spots in one year, do you?
 

FedForGOAT

Professional
Fair enough, I may have come off too harshly. For that I apologize.

I do think Fonseca has good potential to become a great player.
I was only taking exception to the fact that you represented Sinner and Djokovic as having low chances to become great, when many people saw greatness in them very early on.
 
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Sinner moves better than Berdych, and movement is probably the most defining aspect of great tennis champions.

He also hits better on the run, generates more spin, and returns better than Berdych. I’d also say he’s mentally stronger, but that’s harder to evaluate objectively.

The only edge berdych has, is he has slightly “easier” flat power.

For your own wellbeing and safety, please do not bet on tennis, if these are your opinions.

Given that you are a Fed fan, you should be better versed in the paucity of the tour ever since 2014, when a solid near-ATG started to inflate his numbers. Berdych could easily be #1 in this “tour”.
 

nighthawkrr

Semi-Pro
I'm afraid Fonseca will burn out. His right shoulder had a lot of tapes on it.
Injury is what stops most. Rune had the back issues and has never reached the level he had since. Given how fierce the tour is it doesn’t take much to not even be top 100. Lots of young players have slam winning potential if they avoid injury and keep improving.

Also most forget the Big 3 was an unusual era.

Even now Tien has taken two off Meddy.
 

TennisBro

Hall of Fame
I'm afraid Fonseca will burn out. His right shoulder had a lot of tapes on it.
Yeah, he's had a busy few weeks and had to play qualies for the AO powers weren't up to award him a main draw WC. Had his first match been R128, he may have got by the Italian today.
 
I can't tell if Fonseca will be just another Dimitrov or if he'll win slams, its so early and even if he wins slams it'll probably take another 3 or 4 years to breakthrough.
Alcaraz doesn't grow on trees :)
 
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