For all of the weak era talk...

[JoelSandwich]

For all the weak era talk everyone on this forum would probably lose to the top 1000 or more in the world 6-0 6-0. Even if players like Raonic and Berdych haven't been up to form, they'd still destroy all of us here if we actually played them. Just thought I'd mention this, because it seems like we take for granted that they're pros, even if some of them are lazy or inconsistent. I know this is about their playing level and not ours, but we're all typing on an Internet forum while they're battling for titles.

 

[90's Clay]

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So what??? We don't have to be professional to recognize a GARBAGE era

 

[Deleted member 307496]

For all the weak era talk everyone on this forum would probably lose to the top 1000 or more in the world 6-0 6-0. Even if players like Raonic and Berdych haven't been up to form, they'd still destroy all of us here if we actually played them. Just thought I'd mention this, because it seems like we take for granted that they're pros, even if some of them are lazy or inconsistent. I know this is about their playing level and not ours, but we're all typing on an Internet forum while they're battling for titles.

While true, it's still a weak era.

Also, you don't think everyone from say, 1996, 1997, 1998 or 2002 could do the same thing, even in present form today?

 

[Paul Harman]

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So what??? We don't have to be professional to recognize a GARBAGE era

If you met one of these "GARBAGE ERA" people in the street you would go all gooey-eyed and your knees would knock together. But here you are on a nice safe anonymous forum, free to post "GARBAGE".

If there were a tournament for posting messages, you would lose 0-6 0-6 to the top 1000 people in the world. Probably more.

 

[AnOctorokForDinner]

The weak era concept is absolute schite. There are evidently stronger and weaker times, but the difference is much lesser than some people think. This is evident from the way Federer and Djokovic suddenly weakened after AO '10 and RG '16 respectively. As soon as they get a bit worse, hitting the ball just a bit less deep and strong, many players are glad to have a go at them - that's how small the margins are. Tennis is an extremely tough sport, one of the toughest around, and any pro must be given full respect for their efforts (unless they deliberately refuse to try their best, i.e. tank intentionally - that is not respectful at all).

The only actually weak wins, in my mind, are those when one's opponents (potential opponents included) perform way below their best due to physical - and sometimes mental - issues. Federer had a weak final and overall a rather weak draw at AO '06 (Safin, Hewitt, Agassi down with injuries, Nadal absent, Roddick in a slump), but a strong QF vs Davydenko (which turned out to be "the real final") saved it. Djokovic had a weak draw to the final at USO '16 (Federer missing, Nadal way down, every second opponent retiring), but a strong final vs Wawrinka saved it. Still not weak enough.

Even actual finals vs injured opponents still count, however much it sucks. You can't discount a player's on the basis of his opponent having the misfortune of getting injured. That's part of the game, players must look after their health... Wins like Lendl's AO '90 and Nadal Madrid '14 still count in the record books without any diminishing factor, much to the chagrin of the weak era theorists. Lucky wins, sure, but nonetheless.

 

[JoelSandwich]

While true, it's still a weak era.

Also, you don't think everyone from say, 1996, 1997, 1998 or 2002 could do the same thing, even in present form today?

Oh they could.

 

[nadalfan2013]

For all the weak era talk everyone on this forum would probably lose to the top 1000 or more in the world 6-0 6-0. Even if players like Raonic and Berdych haven't been up to form, they'd still destroy all of us here if we actually played them. Just thought I'd mention this, because it seems like we take for granted that they're pros, even if some of them are lazy or inconsistent. I know this is about their playing level and not ours, but we're all typing on an Internet forum while they're battling for titles.

Speak for yourself.

 

[JoelSandwich]

Speak for yourself.

Thanks

 

[90's Clay]

If you met one of these "GARBAGE ERA" people in the street you would go all gooey-eyed and your knees would knock together. But here you are on a nice safe anonymous forum, free to post "GARBAGE".

If there were a tournament for posting messages, you would lose 0-6 0-6 to the top 1000 people in the world. Probably more.

Sorry been to MULTIPLE USO slams ( I go every year since Im from NY ) , Even Talked with Rafa on the practice courts. Seen MULTIPLE matches lives. Been watching the game since Jan. 1995 (probably longer since the Feddy fans have been ALIVE) . I can still recognize a stronger era from a weaker one talent wise

So get out of here with that BS from you Pre-puberty boys

 

[Red Rick]

For all the weak era talk everyone on this forum would probably lose to the top 1000 or more in the world 6-0 6-0. Even if players like Raonic and Berdych haven't been up to form, they'd still destroy all of us here if we actually played them. Just thought I'd mention this, because it seems like we take for granted that they're pros, even if some of them are lazy or inconsistent. I know this is about their playing level and not ours, but we're all typing on an Internet forum while they're battling for titles.

Great non-point to make mate.

None of us claim we can do better, none of us trained to do better, and especially in a sport where physical talent is much more important than effort and intellect it doesn't matter that we can't see that players aren't getting the most out of themselves.

We're not saying we can do better. We're frustrated that people who can do better don't do so

 

[JoelSandwich]

Great non-point to make mate.

None of us claim we can do better, none of us trained to do better, and especially in a sport where physical talent is much more important than effort and intellect it doesn't matter that we can't see that players aren't getting the most out of themselves.

We're not saying we can do better. We're frustrated that people who can do better don't do so

Well said.

 

[Red Rick]

At most we could say this, if I had x players tennis skills and talents, and my own intellect, I would make better choices.

 

[Paul Harman]

At most we could say this, if I had x players tennis skills and talents, and my own intellect, I would make better choices.

Screw that I want X player's money.

 

[JoelSandwich]

Screw that I want X player's money.

That was funny.

 

[metsman]

Sorry been to MULTIPLE USO slams ( I go every year since Im from NY ) , Even Talked with Rafa on the practice courts. Seen MULTIPLE matches lives. Been watching the game since Jan. 1995 (probably longer since the Feddy fans have been ALIVE) . I can still recognize a stronger era from a weaker one talent wise

So get out of here with that BS from you Pre-puberty boys

My first tennis memory was watching Pete and Lendl in the 1990 USO. I started following regularly starting with the All American 93 Wimbledon final. Huge pete fan growing up but unlike some I can appreciate the greatness of both Pete and Roger without being butthurt about it.

 

[Antonio Puente]

Andy Murray is #1. If that that fact doesn't cement weak era status, I don't know what would.

 

[90's Clay]

My first tennis memory was watching Pete and Lendl in the 1990 USO. I started following regularly starting with the All American 93 Wimbledon final. Huge pete fan growing up but unlike some I can appreciate the greatness of both Pete and Roger without being butthurt about it.

If Roger was so great he wouldn't have to AVOID.

Sorry