For fans who aren't aware of the YEC(WTF) is the 5th biggest tournament on the ATP tour

[TMF]

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1. End of year finals
2. Indian Wells
3. Rome
4. Madrid
5. Miami
6. Cincinnati
7. Monte Carlo
8. Shanghai
9. Paris
10. Canadian Open

 

[octogon]

Are you ok, bro?

How many more WTF threads do you need to start?

You are turning into the Lew II of Federer fans.

 

[octobrina10]

Are you ok, bro?

How many more WTF threads do you need to start?

You are turning into the Lew II of Federer fans.

He has always been.

 

[Phoenix1983]

All objective observers know this to be true.

Here are those who have won this tournament the most often:

Federer - 6
Djokovic - 5
Lendl - 5
Sampras - 5

Nadal has 0 titles.

What it tells us?

 

[myth]

All objective observers know this to be true.

Here are those who have won this tournament the most often:

Federer - 6
Djokovic - 5
Lendl - 5
Sampras - 5

Nadal has 0 titles.

What it tells us?

That Nadal is only good on slow courts.
In the 90's he would have won 13 Gs including 13 Fo 9 Rome 12 MC 5 madrid 12 Barcelona Acapulco Buenos aires rio estoril and maybe Canada Open.

WTF
Indian Wells
Rome
Shanghai
Madrid
Cincinnati
MC
Miami
Canada Open
Paris

 

[BackhandDTL]

That Nadal is only good on slow courts.
In the 90's he would have won 13 Gs including 13 Fo 9 Rome 12 MC 5 madrid 12 Barcelona Acapulco Buenos aires rio estoril and maybe Canada Open.

WTF
Indian Wells
Rome
Shanghai
Madrid
Cincinnati
MC
Miami
Canada Open
Paris

Obviously you are clueless. He was already winning masters on fast HC since 2005......

We can always create stupid hypotheticals like you have done.

 

[Gazelle]

That Nadal is only good on slow courts.
In the 90's he would have won 13 Gs including 13 Fo 9 Rome 12 MC 5 madrid 12 Barcelona Acapulco Buenos aires rio estoril and maybe Canada Open.

WTF
Indian Wells
Rome
Shanghai
Madrid
Cincinnati
MC
Miami
Canada Open
Paris

Even Nadal isn't that good that he can win 13 FO's in the 90's.

 

[killerboss]

Lmao, man I respect the WTF and everything but ain't no such thing as "5th most important tournament". There is slams, big slam matches against main rivals and then there is everything else such as general achievements which may include Masters, WTF etc.

 

[Third Serve]

Lmao, man I respect the WTF and everything but ain't no such thing as "5th most important tournament". There is slams, big slam matches against main rivals and then there is everything else such as general achievements which may include Masters, WTF etc.

That fits into the "everything else" category as well.

 

[Weekendhacker]

That fits into the "everything else" category as well.

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1. End of year finals
2. Indian Wells
3. Rome
4. Madrid
5. Miami
6. Cincinnati
7. Monte Carlo
8. Shanghai
9. Paris
10. Canadian Open

Well, the ATP finals are worth 1500 pts, slams 2000, and all the masters tournament 1000 pts. So those points do support your statement that it’s the 5th biggest tournament.

 

[Beckerserve]

All objective observers know this to be true.

Here are those who have won this tournament the most often:

Federer - 6
Djokovic - 5
Lendl - 5
Sampras - 5

Nadal has 0 titles.

What it tells us?

That indoors is Nadals worse surface and the other 4 had games suited for indoors.

 

[Beckerserve]

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1. End of year finals
2. Indian Wells
3. Rome
4. Madrid
5. Miami
6. Cincinnati
7. Monte Carlo
8. Shanghai
9. Paris
10. Canadian Open

This is just a random list lol.
Ask any pro player what they would rather have out of a m1000 and a WTF all will say m1000. They have said so!

 

[JaoSousa]

He was already winning masters on fast HC since 2005......

How many has he won since?

 

[BackhandDTL]

How many has he won since?

Since? Why since.

There’s a since for everything. Federer hasn’t won the USO since 2008.

EDIT: and how many fast HC masters were there since besides maybe Shanghai?

 

[Bartelby]

It's also the ATP's biggest tournament, and yet Nadal can't win it.

The reality is that Nadal has chosen to focus on his strengths from mid-career onwards.

It has paid great dividends, but it does make his CV look more one-dimensional as a consequence.

Well, the ATP finals are worth 1500 pts, slams 2000, and all the masters tournament 1000 pts. So those points do support your statement that it’s the 5th biggest tournament.

 

[Amritia]

Ask any pro player what they would rather have out of a m1000 and a WTF all will say m1000. They have said so!

When have they said this? I don't think so.

 

[flanker2000fr]

This is just a random list lol.
Ask any pro player what they would rather have out of a m1000 and a WTF all will say m1000. They have said so!

Tell us one player who said so.

 

[Backspin1183]

This is just a random list lol.
Ask any pro player what they would rather have out of a m1000 and a WTF all will say m1000. They have said so!

Really? They'd choose 1000 ATP points over 1500 ATP points with more prize money? I could understand if it was Shapovalov choosing Canadian Open or Fognini Italian Open. But for most other players 1500 points would be more tempting.

 

[JaoSousa]

There’s a since for everything. Federer hasn’t won the USO since 2008.

Yeah, good point. But your initial statement, ¨he was winning them since 2005¨ would have been kind of misleading to someone who doesn´t watch.
And yeah, London and Shanghai are the only ones I would consider ¨fast¨.

 

[BackhandDTL]

Yeah, good point. But your initial statement, ¨he was winning them since 2005¨ would have been kind of misleading to someone who doesn´t watch.
And yeah, London and Shanghai are the only ones I would consider ¨fast¨.

London’s slow.

so realistically the only chance was Shanghai. Which was previously Madrid, and he won it once.

 

[Lew II]

Djokovic won all of them twice.

 

[myth]

Lmao, man I respect the WTF and everything but ain't no such thing as "5th most important tournament". There is slams, big slam matches against main rivals and then there is everything else such as general achievements which may include Masters, WTF etc.

Nadal fan?

 

[myth]

London’s slow.

so realistically the only chance was Shanghai. Which was previously Madrid, and he won it once.

London slow.

And Nadal's win at Madrid in 2005 was amazing. Some on this forum still say, he became good on HC in 2008....
The guy had one of his best year on tour in 2005....
11 titles 1 GS MC Rome Montreal beating Agassi Madrid .....
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/2005_Rafael_Nadal_tennis_season

 

[NatF]

This is just a random list lol.
Ask any pro player what they would rather have out of a m1000 and a WTF all will say m1000. They have said so!

lol no.

 

[myth]

lol no.

Probanly Nadal because he can't win the ATP tour finals even though it's being played on a slow court.

 

[skaj]

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1. End of year finals
2. Indian Wells
3. Rome
4. Madrid
5. Miami
6. Cincinnati
7. Monte Carlo
8. Shanghai
9. Paris
10. Canadian Open

Meaning the Olympics are not a part of the tennis tours?

 

[myth]

Meaning the Olympics are not a part of the tennis tours?

Marc Rosset probably thinks the olympics are the biggest event ever.

 

[skaj]

Marc Rosset probably thinks the olympics are the biggest event ever.

I guess it's safe to say that since most people think that the Olympics are the biggest sports event ever.

 

[Sunny Ali]

Federer - 6
Djokovic - 5
Lendl - 5
Sampras - 5

Nadal has 0 titles.

What it tells us?

It tells us that Federer fans are losing their marbles as Federer gets shoved out of the record books.

 

[Phoenix1983]

It tells us that Federer fans are losing their marbles as Federer gets shoved out of the record books.

Machan, you are a decent poster most of the time, but you are also becoming a Federer hater.

 

[Sunny Ali]

Machan, you are a decent poster most of the time, but you are also becoming a Federer hater.

Sorry machan, I sometimes get caught up in all the trolling. My best friends dad once told me, tell me who you associate with and I'll tell you who you are

Take my trolling lightly please because there's nothing personal

 

[skaj]

All objective observers know this to be true.

Here are those who have won this tournament the most often:

Federer - 6
Djokovic - 5
Lendl - 5
Sampras - 5

Nadal has 0 titles.

What it tells us?

Lendl > Nadal?

 

[Antonio Puente]

If, in the real world, the WTF truly held the value some on this forum claim it does, posters wouldn't have to work so hard year-after-year propping it up, promoting its value, etc.

 

[Third Serve]

lol no.

He keeps citing his so-called “evidence” that Sampras and Becker (deeply ironic given his username) and the like didn’t care about the YEC but it doesn’t mean what he thinks it does.

 

[MusterCoriaKuerten]

Only Clay vulture fanboys deny this

Monte Carlo should be dead last though,its the least valuable and only non-mandatory masters.

 

[MusterCoriaKuerten]

I'd rank them

1.YEC
2.Indian Wells
3.Miami
4.Rome
5.Cincinnati
6.Madrid
7.Canada
8.Shanghai
9.Bercy
10.Monte Carlo

 

[Bamoos]

Only Clay vulture fanboys deny this

Monte Carlo should be dead last though,its the least valuable and only non-mandatory masters.

I think masters totals should be reevaluated. Monte Carlo, Paris and Shanghai should be equal to 1. To lump them all in as big titles is a farce.

 

[TMF]

Meaning the Olympics are not a part of the tennis tours?

Those events are ATP sanction, Olympic tennis awards zero ATP point.

 

[TMF]

This is just a random list lol.
Ask any pro player what they would rather have out of a m1000 and a WTF all will say m1000. They have said so!

NO

 

[skaj]

Those events are ATP sanction, Olympic tennis awards zero ATP point.

Not sure what that means but Olympic tennis did award ATP points in the previous years, no?

 

[TennisHockey]

I would agree that the YEC is the 5th biggest tournament on the ATP tour. I don't think many would disagree.

But is it a bigger than the Olympics? Frankly...I don't know...

 

[TennisHockey]

Also, Paris over the Canadian Open? Is that a joke?

 

[Nadal>>>>>Federer]

I would rank it after IW, Miami, Rome, and Cincy.

 

[Beckerserve]

NO

Erm but yes lol

 

[Beckerserve]

lol no.

Lol yes. How can keyboard warriors argue with what the pros say?

 

[Beckerserve]

Really? They'd choose 1000 ATP points over 1500 ATP points with more prize money? I could understand if it was Shapovalov choosing Canadian Open or Fognini Italian Open. But for most other players 1500 points would be more tempting.

They had to increase points and prize money to ensure players did not pull out!! That is exactly why it is not as big as Nadal haters like to think it is.

 

[Beckerserve]

Tell us one player who said so.

Del potro. Davydenko also.

 

[Beckerserve]

When have they said this? I don't think so.

Del potro davydenko

 

[lucky13]

No1e - Fed - Rafa
1. End of year finals 5 - 6 - 0
2. Indian Wells 5 - 5 - 3
3. Rome 5 - 0 - 9
4. Madrid 3 - 2 - 4
5. Miami 6 - 4 - 0
6. Cincinnati 2 - 7 - 1
7. Monte Carlo 2 - 0 - 11
8. Shanghai 4 - 2 - 0
9. Paris 5 - 1 - 0
10. Canadian Open 4 - 2 - 5

 

[Amritia]

Del potro davydenko

When?