For fans who aren't aware of the YEC(WTF) is the 5th biggest tournament on the ATP tour

Beckerserve

Legend
Cannot link a post match interview!! Davydenko said after he won the event, the next step is to win a m1000 which is just below Majors in terms of prestige. Del potro said before the final that he was happy to have a Major but was missing the next biggest title a m1000 but a WTF would be a nice way to end the year.
All players think Davis Cup is bigger than WTF as well as if they are in DC final they tend to skip WTF or in Federer case not bother playing the final
 

Beckerserve

Legend
Sorry but I don't care about what your made up pro comments lol.
By all means stay in denial. I have proved who said what and when. I could keep going as well. But i have not the time. Proof in actions and words of the pros. #N20al
 

NatF

Bionic Poster
Cannot link a post match interview!! Davydenko said after he won the event, the next step is to win a m1000 which is just below Majors in terms of prestige. Del potro said before the final that he was happy to have a Major but was missing the next biggest title a m1000 but a WTF would be a nice way to end the year.
All players think Davis Cup is bigger than WTF as well as if they are in DC final they tend to skip WTF or in Federer case not bother playing the final
By all means stay in denial. I have proved who said what and when. I could keep going as well. But i have not the time. Proof in actions and words of the pros. #N20al
Yeah the above is garbage lol. Davydenko had already won three masters by the time he won the YEC...

https://www.eurosport.com/tennis/masters-cup-shanghai/2008/djokovic-wins-masters-cup_sto1757517/story.shtml

"I'm very, very happy," he said. "It's a great achievement for me. The best eight players playing here says everything about the quality of the event and I would definitely put it on a level with the Grand Slams."

Back in your box now.
 

Beckerserve

Legend
Yeah the above is garbage lol. Davydenko had already won three masters by the time he won the YEC...

https://www.eurosport.com/tennis/masters-cup-shanghai/2008/djokovic-wins-masters-cup_sto1757517/story.shtml

"I'm very, very happy," he said. "It's a great achievement for me. The best eight players playing here says everything about the quality of the event and I would definitely put it on a level with the Grand Slams."

Back in your box now.
Davydenko won m1000s? When and where? He definitely said M1000 are bigger so you just actually prove my point. Thank you.
Your last quote is made up nonsense lol.
 

NatF

Bionic Poster
Davydenko won m1000s? When and where? He definitely said M1000 are bigger so you just actually prove my point. Thank you.
Your last quote is made up nonsense lol.
He won Paris 06, Miami 08 and Shanghai 09.

The fact you don't know this and think Davydenko would be so ungracious after winning says it all really.

Some of you Nadal fans live in a completely different reality.
 

Beckerserve

Legend
He won Paris 06, Miami 08 and Shanghai 09.

The fact you don't know this and think Davydenko would be so ungracious after winning says it all really.

Some of you Nadal fans live in a completely different reality.
Davydenko said M1000 are bigger. Is he a Nadal fan? Maybe he is.
 

Beckerserve

Legend
Don't believe you sorry lol. New low for you lot to be peddling outright lies but not surprised.
Perhaps you were not following the game closely back in 2009. I remember Davydenko saying m1000 were bigger and Del Potro confirmed it
I find it funny that Nadal haters think it would have been better for him this year to win the WTF instead of FO.
 

NatF

Bionic Poster
Perhaps you were not following the game closely back in 2009. I remember Davydenko saying m1000 were bigger and Del Potro confirmed it
I find it funny that Nadal haters think it would have been better for him this year to win the WTF instead of FO.
Never claimed that.

I guess no one but you was following the game closely in 2009 because it seems like no one can verify the quote lol. Guess masters are bigger than the Olympics as well then?
 

Beckerserve

Legend
Never claimed that.

I guess no one but you was following the game closely in 2009 because it seems like no one can verify the quote lol. Guess masters are bigger than the Olympics as well then?
Players say Olympics are equal to Majors. Murray and Djokovic said that.
 

NatF

Bionic Poster
Players say Olympics are equal to Majors. Murray and Djokovic said that.
But Davydenko said "masters are the second biggest tournaments after slams" so who cares what Djokovic thinks...

https://www.eurosport.com/tennis/masters-cup-shanghai/2008/djokovic-wins-masters-cup_sto1757517/story.shtml

"I'm very, very happy," he said. "It's a great achievement for me. The best eight players playing here says everything about the quality of the event and I would definitely put it on a level with the Grand Slams."
 

Beckerserve

Legend
But Davydenko said "masters are the second biggest tournaments after slams" so who cares what Djokovic thinks...

https://www.eurosport.com/tennis/masters-cup-shanghai/2008/djokovic-wins-masters-cup_sto1757517/story.shtml

"I'm very, very happy," he said. "It's a great achievement for me. The best eight players playing here says everything about the quality of the event and I would definitely put it on a level with the Grand Slams."
Djokovic says OG is bigger than WTF and said IW is the 5th Major.
We can go back and forth all day. End of day ill take 20 Majors for Nadal this year.. job is done.
 

NatF

Bionic Poster
Djokovic says OG is bigger than WTF and said IW is the 5th Major.
We can go back and forth all day. End of day ill take 20 Majors for Nadal this year.. job is done.
Never said anything about the majors, don't think you're as secure as you make out (y)

Anyway, keep lying and making **** up. Not like anyone sane takes you seriously anyway.
 

Beckerserve

Legend
Never said anything about the majors, don't think you're as secure as you make out (y)

Anyway, keep lying and making **** up. Not like anyone sane takes you seriously anyway.
Well you must do as you spent your afternoon replying lol.
I am only posting facts. They may not be to your liking but they are accurate. If you disagree i suggest you contact the player agents to register a complaint.
 

NatF

Bionic Poster
Well you must do as you spent your afternoon replying lol.
I am only posting facts. They may not be to your liking but they are accurate. If you disagree i suggest you contact the player agents to register a complaint.
lol it doesn't take much time to disprove you man.

Anyone can claim anything, the fact is you haven't backed up anything you've said and you're not going to either.

You're right though, I've spent enough time talking to you lol.
 

Beckerserve

Legend
lol it doesn't take much time to disprove you man.

Anyone can claim anything, the fact is you haven't backed up anything you've said and you're not going to either.

You're right though, I've spent enough time talking to you lol.
I have proved every post and you are getting irate that i have illustrated what the players have said on the past. Djokovic and Murray rate OG higher than WTF. Not my fault lol.
 

NatF

Bionic Poster
I have proved every post and you are getting irate that i have illustrated what the players have said on the past. Djokovic and Murray rate OG higher than WTF. Not my fault lol.
Guy you need to learn what it means to prove something lol. It will serve you well in life :laughing:

Anyway, have a pleasant evening I'm not feeling the circular discussion anymore.
 

RS

G.O.A.T.
I have proved every post and you are getting irate that i have illustrated what the players have said on the past. Djokovic and Murray rate OG higher than WTF. Not my fault lol.
Djokovic defo would to win like OG more (he cried in the 2016 loss badly)

Not sure if that is general from other players though as Oly has been avoided by quite a few top names in certain years.
 

Beckerserve

Legend
Guy you need to learn what it means to prove something lol. It will serve you well in life :laughing:

Anyway, have a pleasant evening I'm not feeling the circular discussion anymore.
Yes quoting what pros say is kind of how it works. That is what i did. And in life i have the perfect life thanks. Great career. And Nadsl being GOAT a nice icing on a very sweet cake.
 

Third Serve

G.O.A.T.
Yeah the above is garbage lol. Davydenko had already won three masters by the time he won the YEC...

https://www.eurosport.com/tennis/masters-cup-shanghai/2008/djokovic-wins-masters-cup_sto1757517/story.shtml

"I'm very, very happy," he said. "It's a great achievement for me. The best eight players playing here says everything about the quality of the event and I would definitely put it on a level with the Grand Slams."

Back in your box now.
Beckerserve: Players say that the WTF isn't that big. Murray and Djokovic said it, believe me

*offers no evidence or sources of any kind*

NatF: Here's a direct quote with the link to the article it came from.

Beckerserve: That's made-up garbage lol

mm, ok
 

Amritia

Hall of Fame
Cannot link a post match interview!! Davydenko said after he won the event, the next step is to win a m1000 which is just below Majors in terms of prestige. Del potro said before the final that he was happy to have a Major but was missing the next biggest title a m1000 but a WTF would be a nice way to end the year.
All players think Davis Cup is bigger than WTF as well as if they are in DC final they tend to skip WTF or in Federer case not bother playing the final
Well I found his post match interview

No sign of Davydenko saying anything about Masters 1000 better than WTF.

Do you have any links or evidence of your quote?
 

Amritia

Hall of Fame
Ask any pro player what they would rather have out of a m1000 and a WTF all will say m1000. They have said so!
Okay, post a link which directly quotes a single professional tennis player in the last 30 years who has said they would prefer to win a WTF compared to a Masters 1000. Just one.

There are rare exceptions when player prioritise non-slam tournaments over WTF. But that would never be a M1000.
The only example I can think of is Federer prioritising Davis Cup in 2014. Fed hadn't won DC before, had won WTF many times, and felt it was a patriotic duty. Hence he didn't risk exacerbating his back problem so dropped out of WTF F vs Djokovic, and then delivered DC win vs France a week later.
 

NonP

Hall of Fame
lol it doesn't take much time to disprove you man.

Anyone can claim anything, the fact is you haven't backed up anything you've said and you're not going to either.

You're right though, I've spent enough time talking to you lol.
Beckerserve: Players say that the WTF isn't that big. Murray and Djokovic said it, believe me

*offers no evidence or sources of any kind*

NatF: Here's a direct quote with the link to the article it came from.

Beckerserve: That's made-up garbage lol

mm, ok
Y'all might dig this gem:


@encylopedia posts a video clip that directly contradicts our beloved Becker/Nadal cheerleader's claim, from the horse's mouth to boot, but he refuses to budge an inch.

And this:


I throw him a bunch of cold hard stats and he just dismisses them without the slightest acknowledgement. And Boris is one of my all-time faves for gawd's sake!

A complete waste of time trying to hold a meaningful discussion with anyone who flat-out denies reality when it doesn't jibe with his narrative. That's why I didn't bother responding to that umpteenth denial of his (well that and life beckoned).
 

Third Serve

G.O.A.T.
Y'all might dig this gem:


@encylopedia posts a video clip that directly contradicts our beloved Becker/Nadal cheerleader's claim, from the horse's mouth to boot, but he refuses to budge an inch.

And this:


I throw him a bunch of cold hard stats and he just dismisses them without the slightest acknowledgement. And Boris is one of my all-time faves for gawd's sake!

A complete waste of time trying to hold a meaningful discussion with anyone who flat-out denies reality when it doesn't jibe with his narrative. That's why I didn't bother responding to that umpteenth denial of his (well that and life beckoned).
:-D :-D :-D
 

Amritia

Hall of Fame
I like Beckerserve and don't like to make things personal.

I'm just asking a simple question, and want an answer. He said if you ask any pro player they will say they prefer M1000 to WTF.
I want one direct quote of a player saying this. That's all.
 
One gets as many as 1500 point and 2-3 millions dollars for winning WTF competing against 8 best players in that year, versus 1000 points and about 1 million dollars for a master-1000 tournament.

Yet some claims a master-1000 (where one has nine chances to get one per year) is held at higher regard that WTF? Give me a break!

Yet some Nadal fan(s) are embarrassing himself/themselves here, unbelievable. Show their IQ-level. Ate those the same people claiming flat earth?
 

encylopedia

Professional
Well I found his post match interview

No sign of Davydenko saying anything about Masters 1000 better than WTF.

Do you have any links or evidence of your quote?
Here's a couple of quotes from Davydenko from the press conference (in which of course he also said nothing remotely like he'd prefer to win a M1000 lol)

Q. What is the best: the win against Federer or to win the championship?
NIKOLAY DAVYDENKO: For sure, win championship here. It's like, you know, trophy, it's always something important, you know, in career for the tennis player, because now I have I think 19 title. You know, it's very good. I hope, you know, for the next season I have 20 title.
Something important for me because Federer I beat in semifinal. It's was great matches, was good feeling. Never beat him before. And beat him once here in semifinal.
But, you know, final's different.


Q. What are you going to do with such a big trophy?
NIKOLAY DAVYDENKO: No, trophy keep is still here in the tournament because if you see, like I was watching, till 2008, so many names there, like Djokovic, Federer, everyone, Sampras. In 2009, stay name Davydenko for, like, forever, for this trophy. I think it's amazing, you know.
I know, like, history of the Masters Cup, you know, my name be there. Something amazing for me.

Here's also a quote from 2008 World Tour Finals - not that he distinguishes between Masters Cup and "normal tournament":

Q. This was the very first final you ever played in any of the major tournaments. Were you feeling a bit nervous, considering you played quite well yesterday?
NIKOLAY DAVYDENKO: No, no, no, no. Normally I never by final nervous. Doesn't matter which finals, Masters Cup or normal tournament. I really surprising, now today was for me, I don't know, like 15 or 16 finals in tournaments. Really was different and difficult, like feeling not so perfect like in Miami and other tournaments.
I lose already like three finals. Now it's four for me. But, you know, against Djokovic you need to be perfect, you know, also play very fast and very good. That's what he did, and I didn't.
 

Third Serve

G.O.A.T.
Here's a couple of quotes from Davydenko from the press conference (in which of course he also said nothing remotely like he'd prefer to win a M1000 lol)

Q. What is the best: the win against Federer or to win the championship?
NIKOLAY DAVYDENKO: For sure, win championship here. It's like, you know, trophy, it's always something important, you know, in career for the tennis player, because now I have I think 19 title. You know, it's very good. I hope, you know, for the next season I have 20 title.
Something important for me because Federer I beat in semifinal. It's was great matches, was good feeling. Never beat him before. And beat him once here in semifinal.
But, you know, final's different.


Q. What are you going to do with such a big trophy?
NIKOLAY DAVYDENKO: No, trophy keep is still here in the tournament because if you see, like I was watching, till 2008, so many names there, like Djokovic, Federer, everyone, Sampras. In 2009, stay name Davydenko for, like, forever, for this trophy. I think it's amazing, you know.
I know, like, history of the Masters Cup, you know, my name be there. Something amazing for me.

Here's also a quote from 2008 World Tour Finals - not that he distinguishes between Masters Cup and "normal tournament":

Q. This was the very first final you ever played in any of the major tournaments. Were you feeling a bit nervous, considering you played quite well yesterday?
NIKOLAY DAVYDENKO: No, no, no, no. Normally I never by final nervous. Doesn't matter which finals, Masters Cup or normal tournament. I really surprising, now today was for me, I don't know, like 15 or 16 finals in tournaments. Really was different and difficult, like feeling not so perfect like in Miami and other tournaments.
I lose already like three finals. Now it's four for me. But, you know, against Djokovic you need to be perfect, you know, also play very fast and very good. That's what he did, and I didn't.
That was such an incredible run, wasn't it?
 

encylopedia

Professional
They had to increase points and prize money to ensure players did not pull out!! That is exactly why it is not as big as Nadal haters like to think it is.
So this is just another fantasy assertion by Beckerserve that he passes off as fact - not worth addressing, but I will mention for the younger people, that one of the main reasons the year end final prize-money exploded was due to competition between the ATP and the ITF.

You see, back before 1990, the tour finals was just referred to as the Masters and it was held in New York every year. (well...since the later 70' anyways.) That was really very cool, because it was at Madison Square Garden. Now younger people probably won't "get that either, but MSG was the mecca for things like the biggest of the big boxing matches. So just the fact that the top players would come in to MSG for the "Masters" gave the event a gravitas and "big fight" feel that was unique - and even general sports fans could sense that.

In any case, in 1990 the ATP took over running the tournament. There were major political power struggles going on between the fledgling ATP and the ITF (grand slams).....the ITF decided to counter it by running the Grand Slam Cup year end championship. They offered a shocking 2 million to the winner (and if the winner had won a slam, they got an additional 1 million!) The ATP had to up their money as well for fear of being usurped.

So just a little side anecdote there.
I would agree that the YEC is the 5th biggest tournament on the ATP tour. I don't think many would disagree.

But is it a bigger than the Olympics? Frankly...I don't know...
On another historical note, the Olympics have been very successful in their marketing, and the players seem to have bought into it as well - I think partly because they like being associated with the other athletes, but traditionally the Olympics were next to meaningless. When tennis returned in the 90's, many (sometimes most) of the top players skipped it or saw it as a glorified exo. I too being old-school still see it as not worthy of a true professional sport.

Certainly that seems to have changed, and players take it very seriously now, but in terms of history it really doesn't have any at all compared to the Slams, the Masters (tour finals), or for that matter the older regular tournaments....and of course the true historical value of something relies heavily on....well the historical value....lol.
 
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encylopedia

Professional
Y'all might dig this gem:


@encylopedia posts a video clip that directly contradicts our beloved Becker/Nadal cheerleader's claim, from the horse's mouth to boot, but he refuses to budge an inch.
Thanks for the mention NonP, nice that some more saw that post!

Beckerserve is not just ignorant - he's blatantly and willfully dishonest. He just kept talking past it.....

I'm glad you pointed it out - rational people should stick together lol. If for no other reason than to know they aren't alone in facing the trolls and dullards. :)
 
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