For Fed Fans: Not all is as bad as it seems...

cueboyzn

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I write this post as a Federer fan. As a lot of us seem to be caught up in the latest whoo-haa about the AO Final and R. Fed's "failed" 1st attempt to match Sampras.

Lets rewind the tape a bit, to Wimbledon 2007. Until then I had never seen Federer stretched to 5 sets in a final, and he managed to win in 5 sets, against Nadal, 6-2 in the fifth, to tie Borg's record and take his 5th Wimbledon crown. A match that could most certainly have gone either way, but Fed picked it up enough when it mattered, made BIG serves after being 15-40 down TWICE in the 5th set, had he not made those clutch points he might well have lost...and instead of Slam number 11, he would have been stuck on 10.

Fast forward on to New York, to the US Open, where "Darth" Federer, fresh off his Wimbledon triumph and seemingly at the peak of his powers, faced rising star Novak Djokovic, the "pretender" to his throne on Hardcourts (or so it seemed at the time). Federer faced down 7-set points in the first two sets, could well have been TRAILING 2 sets instead of LEADING Djokovic 2-0, and went on to win his 4th USO and Grand Slam No 12 without dropping a set to Djokovic.

Then after a disappointing (by his lofty standards) year in 2008, due to various factors, maybe some factors he had no control over (i.e. sickness) and a heart-breaker in the Wimbledon final losing 9-7 in the 5th to Nadal in near darkness, he gets through a VERY tight and iffy match against Igor Andreev in 5 sets in New York, and goes on to win the title, his 5th US Open and Grand Slam No. 13.

And here we stand, a lot of us, ranting about how "time is ticking" for good old Rog, his reign is on the wane, his era is coming to an end, yadda yadda fishpaste. Some of the Federer so-called "Fans" are the worst type of ship-jumpers there are, who fly into the night at the 1st sign of their man losing...

Well here it is as I see it: Those two finals: Wimbledon 2007 (d. Nadal) and US Open 2007 (d. Djokovic) could well have gone either way. The US Open 2008 could just as easily not had Roger's name on the cup, had a few points against Andreev gone the wrong way... just as a few points went the wrong way in this (AO 2009) final.

I think taking these into consideration (without the "short-term" memory syndrome that tends to afflict a lof of "Fans" in the Tennis world and on these forums), any person who knows the nature of sport, and tennis especially, as a game where fortunes can turn in a match very quickly, will remember that these THREE Grand Slams could well have not ended up in Roger Federer's pocket. Had the important points gone against Roger, we could have had Nadal in Wimbledon 2007, Djokovic in US Open 2007, and for all we know, Djokovic or Murray as US Open 2008.

Now, as a Federer fan, I am compelled to take a step back and ask myself, taking into account these THREE grand Slams where Roger could have perhaps lost, but managed to win... Is it really so bad that the last TWO where he could have won, he ended up losing? Because if he did lose them or even one or two of them, he would not be on 13 Grand Slams...

Perspective is a great thing to have, and it just seems like a lot of people could do with some of it right now. If you can't recall these matches (v Nadal Wimby 2007) (v Djokovic USO 2007) (v Andreev USO 2008) go back and watch them for yourself (I did). Then ask yourself if it is that bad that Roger is "stuck" on 13 Slams right now after winning those three matches which led to three Grand Slam titles to make the 13 that he is currently on.

As a follower of sport and someone who has played to a high competitive level myself (in a different sport), I am aware that expecting things to go your way EVERY SINGLE TIME is impossible, it just will never happen. Maybe this AO 2009 and Wimbledon 2008 was fate's answer to Roger squeaking through to get those three Grand Slams that could so easily have slipped through his fingers and left him a heck of a lot further than ONE Slam away from Mr. Sampras.
 
Perspective is a great thing to have, and it just seems like a lot of people could do with some of it right now. If you can't recall these matches (v Nadal Wimby 2007) (v Djokovic USO 2007) (v Andreev USO 2008) go back and watch them for yourself (I did). Then ask yourself if it is that bad that Roger is "stuck" on 13 Slams right now after winning those three matches which led to three Grand Slam titles to make the 13 that he is currently on.

As a follower of sport and someone who has played to a high competitive level myself (in a different sport), I am aware that expecting things to go your way EVERY SINGLE TIME is impossible, it just will never happen. Maybe this AO 2009 and Wimbledon 2008 was fate's answer to Roger squeaking through to get those three Grand Slams that could so easily have slipped through his fingers and left him a heck of a lot further than ONE Slam away from Mr. Sampras.

Excellent post, and you're quite right, and I'm as guilty as anyone of short term bias. We all got used to Fed nearly always being on the winning side of these tussles.

This is a rare bit of calm reason on this board, well done.
 
Oh yeah. The final where Nadal hurt his knee and had to play like 6 days in a row. Wimbledon 2008 actually was more clutch from Federer but Nadal was healthy there.
 
Nicely done........

Cueboyzn,

Nicely done and well stated. We have been spoiled by the greatest player to pick up a racquet (so far, as stated by Laver, McEnroe, Uncle Tony, Nadal and others), so maybe we do expect too much. I am sure Fed will re-invent himself (like Agassi did at 29) and be even stronger for it.

Cheers, TennezSport :cool:
 
Oh yeah. The final where Nadal hurt his knee and had to play like 6 days in a row. Wimbledon 2008 actually was more clutch from Federer but Nadal was healthy there.

That's not the point of the post is it? Roger still saved break points. He still fought to win that final. This post is about Roger and not Rafa.

Excellent post. I firmly believe he'll get to 15 this year. I thought he was playing better than last year this year and will only fight more after this.
 
I write this post as a Federer fan. As a lot of us seem to be caught up in the latest whoo-haa about the AO Final and R. Fed's "failed" 1st attempt to match Sampras.

Lets rewind the tape a bit, to Wimbledon 2007. Until then I had never seen Federer stretched to 5 sets in a final, and he managed to win in 5 sets, against Nadal, 6-2 in the fifth, to tie Borg's record and take his 5th Wimbledon crown. A match that could most certainly have gone either way, but Fed picked it up enough when it mattered, made BIG serves after being 15-40 down TWICE in the 5th set, had he not made those clutch points he might well have lost...and instead of Slam number 11, he would have been stuck on 10.

Fast forward on to New York, to the US Open, where "Darth" Federer, fresh off his Wimbledon triumph and seemingly at the peak of his powers, faced rising star Novak Djokovic, the "pretender" to his throne on Hardcourts (or so it seemed at the time). Federer faced down 7-set points in the first two sets, could well have been TRAILING 2 sets instead of LEADING Djokovic 2-0, and went on to win his 4th USO and Grand Slam No 12 without dropping a set to Djokovic.

Then after a disappointing (by his lofty standards) year in 2008, due to various factors, maybe some factors he had no control over (i.e. sickness) and a heart-breaker in the Wimbledon final losing 9-7 in the 5th to Nadal in near darkness, he gets through a VERY tight and iffy match against Igor Andreev in 5 sets in New York, and goes on to win the title, his 5th US Open and Grand Slam No. 13.

And here we stand, a lot of us, ranting about how "time is ticking" for good old Rog, his reign is on the wane, his era is coming to an end, yadda yadda fishpaste. Some of the Federer so-called "Fans" are the worst type of ship-jumpers there are, who fly into the night at the 1st sign of their man losing...

Well here it is as I see it: Those two finals: Wimbledon 2007 (d. Nadal) and US Open 2007 (d. Djokovic) could well have gone either way. The US Open 2008 could just as easily not had Roger's name on the cup, had a few points against Andreev gone the wrong way... just as a few points went the wrong way in this (AO 2009) final.

I think taking these into consideration (without the "short-term" memory syndrome that tends to afflict a lof of "Fans" in the Tennis world and on these forums), any person who knows the nature of sport, and tennis especially, as a game where fortunes can turn in a match very quickly, will remember that these THREE Grand Slams could well have not ended up in Roger Federer's pocket. Had the important points gone against Roger, we could have had Nadal in Wimbledon 2007, Djokovic in US Open 2007, and for all we know, Djokovic or Murray as US Open 2008.

Now, as a Federer fan, I am compelled to take a step back and ask myself, taking into account these THREE grand Slams where Roger could have perhaps lost, but managed to win... Is it really so bad that the last TWO where he could have won, he ended up losing? Because if he did lose them or even one or two of them, he would not be on 13 Grand Slams...

Perspective is a great thing to have, and it just seems like a lot of people could do with some of it right now. If you can't recall these matches (v Nadal Wimby 2007) (v Djokovic USO 2007) (v Andreev USO 2008) go back and watch them for yourself (I did). Then ask yourself if it is that bad that Roger is "stuck" on 13 Slams right now after winning those three matches which led to three Grand Slam titles to make the 13 that he is currently on.

As a follower of sport and someone who has played to a high competitive level myself (in a different sport), I am aware that expecting things to go your way EVERY SINGLE TIME is impossible, it just will never happen. Maybe this AO 2009 and Wimbledon 2008 was fate's answer to Roger squeaking through to get those three Grand Slams that could so easily have slipped through his fingers and left him a heck of a lot further than ONE Slam away from Mr. Sampras.

Some good points but as a Federer fan, I don't like the feeling that whenever he faces Nadal on any surface, he's gonna lose now (mental block?).
 
Good post. I think the AO defeat might have been the best thing at the best time to ever happen to Federer. It hopefully has shaken him up enough to realize that some things need to change.
 
What many Federer fans don't realize after 4 years is that his problem against Nadal is not just mental (maybe off-topic but I wanted to say it).
 
What many Federer fans don't realize after 4 years is that his problem against Nadal is not just mental (maybe off-topic but I wanted to say it).
That's a good point actually. I think the mental thing compounds the whole problem, but I seem to remember Federer being mentally sound up to WB 2007, and Rafa had already demonstrated he could beat Fed by then for years, even on hardcourts (Miami 2004, anyone?)
 
I think Federer struggles against many good defenders. This problem is compounded by Nadal's inability to quit, and the obvious backhand bashing on surfaces that allow it. That doesn't mean Roger can't deliver a beatdown when everything is well.

For example, Rome 2007 - lost first set and then crushed Nadal on clay (albeit fast clay). Miami 2005 - came back from 2 sets down, winning 3rd set in a TB.
 
I write this post as a Federer fan. As a lot of us seem to be caught up in the latest whoo-haa about the AO Final and R. Fed's "failed" 1st attempt to match Sampras.

Lets rewind the tape a bit, to Wimbledon 2007. Until then I had never seen Federer stretched to 5 sets in a final, and he managed to win in 5 sets, against Nadal, 6-2 in the fifth, to tie Borg's record and take his 5th Wimbledon crown. A match that could most certainly have gone either way, but Fed picked it up enough when it mattered, made BIG serves after being 15-40 down TWICE in the 5th set, had he not made those clutch points he might well have lost...and instead of Slam number 11, he would have been stuck on 10.

Fast forward on to New York, to the US Open, where "Darth" Federer, fresh off his Wimbledon triumph and seemingly at the peak of his powers, faced rising star Novak Djokovic, the "pretender" to his throne on Hardcourts (or so it seemed at the time). Federer faced down 7-set points in the first two sets, could well have been TRAILING 2 sets instead of LEADING Djokovic 2-0, and went on to win his 4th USO and Grand Slam No 12 without dropping a set to Djokovic.

Then after a disappointing (by his lofty standards) year in 2008, due to various factors, maybe some factors he had no control over (i.e. sickness) and a heart-breaker in the Wimbledon final losing 9-7 in the 5th to Nadal in near darkness, he gets through a VERY tight and iffy match against Igor Andreev in 5 sets in New York, and goes on to win the title, his 5th US Open and Grand Slam No. 13.

And here we stand, a lot of us, ranting about how "time is ticking" for good old Rog, his reign is on the wane, his era is coming to an end, yadda yadda fishpaste. Some of the Federer so-called "Fans" are the worst type of ship-jumpers there are, who fly into the night at the 1st sign of their man losing...

Well here it is as I see it: Those two finals: Wimbledon 2007 (d. Nadal) and US Open 2007 (d. Djokovic) could well have gone either way. The US Open 2008 could just as easily not had Roger's name on the cup, had a few points against Andreev gone the wrong way... just as a few points went the wrong way in this (AO 2009) final.

I think taking these into consideration (without the "short-term" memory syndrome that tends to afflict a lof of "Fans" in the Tennis world and on these forums), any person who knows the nature of sport, and tennis especially, as a game where fortunes can turn in a match very quickly, will remember that these THREE Grand Slams could well have not ended up in Roger Federer's pocket. Had the important points gone against Roger, we could have had Nadal in Wimbledon 2007, Djokovic in US Open 2007, and for all we know, Djokovic or Murray as US Open 2008.

Now, as a Federer fan, I am compelled to take a step back and ask myself, taking into account these THREE grand Slams where Roger could have perhaps lost, but managed to win... Is it really so bad that the last TWO where he could have won, he ended up losing? Because if he did lose them or even one or two of them, he would not be on 13 Grand Slams...

Perspective is a great thing to have, and it just seems like a lot of people could do with some of it right now. If you can't recall these matches (v Nadal Wimby 2007) (v Djokovic USO 2007) (v Andreev USO 2008) go back and watch them for yourself (I did). Then ask yourself if it is that bad that Roger is "stuck" on 13 Slams right now after winning those three matches which led to three Grand Slam titles to make the 13 that he is currently on.

As a follower of sport and someone who has played to a high competitive level myself (in a different sport), I am aware that expecting things to go your way EVERY SINGLE TIME is impossible, it just will never happen. Maybe this AO 2009 and Wimbledon 2008 was fate's answer to Roger squeaking through to get those three Grand Slams that could so easily have slipped through his fingers and left him a heck of a lot further than ONE Slam away from Mr. Sampras.

As one Fed fan to another,great post mate.Really enjoyed reading it,I truly hope we haven't seen the last of Fed and that he'll equal or break Pete's record sooner or later.

Cueboyzn,

Nicely done and well stated. We have been spoiled by the greatest player to pick up a racquet (so far, as stated by Laver, McEnroe, Uncle Tony, Nadal and others), so maybe we do expect too much. I am sure Fed will re-invent himself (like Agassi did at 29) and be even stronger for it.

Cheers, TennezSport :cool:

Really hope you're right.That's my biggest tennis wish now,I hope Fed gets a coach and plays even into his 30s.It is obvious that he can still play tennis at a high level even at the age of 27-28 as he's still reaching slam finals so I hope he continues and doesn't get discouraged enough to pull a Borg or Henin on us.

What many Federer fans don't realize after 4 years is that his problem against Nadal is not just mental (maybe off-topic but I wanted to say it).

I don't think that the OP implied that it is.
 
I love Roger and he is a great champion. His game and shot making is beautiful to watch. But he still can't beat Nadal and will need to learn to improve or live with it.
 
What many Federer fans don't realize after 4 years is that his problem against Nadal is not just mental (maybe off-topic but I wanted to say it).

Thank you for pointing this out. Rafa doesn't only beat Fed, he plays well against other players too. Rafa is a very very good tennis player. Why everyone keeps neglecting this is beyond me.
 
Good post. I think the AO defeat might have been the best thing at the best time to ever happen to Federer. It hopefully has shaken him up enough to realize that some things need to change.
It may not have been the best thing, but something good can come out of it. Federer should be much more relaxed from now on and is likely to have a very good year.
 
Losing on fast court to a tired Nadal and crying like a girl for ONE tennis match is not that bad?
He needs to grow some balls and show what he is made of if he hasn't shown it already.
Just waiting for Nadal to get injured or lose doesn't qualify as a champion.
And in recent time we see Murray beating Fed on hard courts...
If Murray starts beating Fed the same way Nadal does then what?
I think that is next.
 
cueboyzn i've been thinking the same these past few days. Particularly with the 'parallels' between the Wimbledon '07 final and the AO '09 final.

Good post.
 
Very True

Yes. A very good point. Those were all close matches and could have gone either way. Given the statistics, he would still probably be at 13. He will bounce back and redefine his legacy.
 
Surprisingly good and even-minded post from someone who I had pegged as a rabid Fed fanboy (all those rolleyes-icon-plagued posts blindly dismissing the chances of any other player against Holy Mighty Fed.) Agree 100% on all counts. Keep it like this and I'll stop just skimming through your posts and will actually read them. Reality checks are good for those who have the wisdom to benefit from them.
 
I think Federer struggles against many good defenders. This problem is compounded by Nadal's inability to quit, and the obvious backhand bashing on surfaces that allow it. That doesn't mean Roger can't deliver a beatdown when everything is well.

For example, Rome 2007 - lost first set and then crushed Nadal on clay (albeit fast clay). Miami 2005 - came back from 2 sets down, winning 3rd set in a TB.
I wouldn't say Nadal's inability to quit, I would say Nadal's ability to never quit lol, you make it sound like a flaw!
 
Disagree here.............

What many Federer fans don't realize after 4 years is that his problem against Nadal is not just mental (maybe off-topic but I wanted to say it).

I have to disagree with you here because if you look at all of the matches (with the exception of the FO'08 ), they were all very close matches. In most of the matches Fed had numberous break points and did not convert. Fed did not convert on most of those points because he made UEs, not that Rafa hit winners. Rafa raises his game and plays more defence but Fed does not raise his game. This is a clear indication that Fed is tight which is definately mental.

Fed either tries too hard or plays not to lose giving the op to Rafa to attack; again mental. I think he gives Rafa too much respect. I remember when Nalby had a 6 to 2 h2h over Fed and did the same thing. As soon as Nalby lost conditioning Fed gained confidence and reversed the record. Fed needs to find this same way to play comfortable with Rafa to regain confidence. If Fed can get stronger and match Rafa's intensity, then I believe he has the variety and talent to easily take Rafa out. The question is whether Fed will get into that level of shape. If he wants his history back, then he will.

Cheers, TennezSport :cool:
 
Why

Rafa doesn't only beat Fed, he plays well against other players too. Rafa is a very very good tennis player. Why everyone keeps neglecting this is beyond me.

Why would you assume that we are neglecting Rafa's ability??? He is #1 in the world and you cannot get there unless you do well against all players; this is understood. To even think that he isn't a good player is not only disrespectful to Rafa, but also to Fed and the rest of the pro players.

Cheers, TennezSport :cool:
 
Its no shame losing to the world #1 who has now won his last 9 finals(includes 5 v Fed).

Fed should consider himself lucky that his only real rival gave him 1 slam and indirectly helped him in 4 other slams that Fed won. If not for Nadal's injures, Fed could have about 10 slams now instead of 13. Nadal being injured so often has kinda flatters Fed's achievements and has given unrealistic expectations for Fed now with a fresh uninjured Nadal in the field.

1/AO 06:Nadal foot injury- did not play. Fed beats slam final rookie Baghdadis.
2/ A0 07. Nadal plays injured, loses to Gonzo. Fed gets easy final v slam final rookie Gonzo.
3/ WIm 07: Nadal cruising to victory before suffering knee tendon injury. Fed accepts the gift to equal borgs 5 Wimbledons
4/ US open 07: Nadal plays on 1 leg, still suffering from the Wimbledon knee tendon injury. Fed beats slam final rookie Chokervic in final
5/ US open 08: Nadal Sacrifices US open by winning Olympic singles Gold. Exhausted at US open. Fed beats slam final rookie Murray in final.

Fed should thank Nadal for sacrificing the 08 US Open for the Olympic Gold.

If Fed reflects back on all these things he'll probably relax and consider himself blessed.

Or not... I think Fed's attitude is that he and only he deserves all the luck so he'll take any luck he gets for granted. I can see this attitude in him when he uses the hawkeye challenge system and acts like he's the only guy who deserves the challenges.
 
What Fed needs to do is get his backhand into shape.

I have to disagree with you here because if you look at all of the matches (with the exception of the FO'08 ), they were all very close matches. In most of the matches Fed had numberous break points and did not convert. Fed did not convert on most of those points because he made UEs, not that Rafa hit winners. Rafa raises his game and plays more defence but Fed does not raise his game. This is a clear indication that Fed is tight which is definately mental.

Fed either tries too hard or plays not to lose giving the op to Rafa to attack; again mental. I think he gives Rafa too much respect. I remember when Nalby had a 6 to 2 h2h over Fed and did the same thing. As soon as Nalby lost conditioning Fed gained confidence and reversed the record. Fed needs to find this same way to play comfortable with Rafa to regain confidence. If Fed can get stronger and match Rafa's intensity, then I believe he has the variety and talent to easily take Rafa out. The question is whether Fed will get into that level of shape. If he wants his history back, then he will.

Cheers, TennezSport :cool:
 
Serves.............

What Fed needs to do is get his backhand into shape.

If you look at the stats, his backhand wasn't that bad this match. This time it was his serve that did the damage. Fed like Pete or Mc really depend on thier serves to get a good start in the point. With such a low serving percentage it allowed Raf to take control of many points right away. Fed needs to improve his second serve so it's difficult to attack. This all comes down to confidence and Fed needs to address the mental issue against Raf.

Cheers, TennezSport :cool:
 
I'm no great fan of Federer but only fools are writing him off. He will contend grand slam finals this year and next and probably win a couple. This a mental slump he is going through as a result of losing his No1 status. It only affects him against Nadal (maybe Murray). He breezed through his quarter and semi matches and will continue to dominate most top players.

I would place a bet that he will regroup and come back strong to challenge Nadal next time they meet.

He lost to Nadal because his serve deserted him, end of.
 
I have to disagree with you here because if you look at all of the matches (with the exception of the FO'08 ), they were all very close matches. In most of the matches Fed had numberous break points and did not convert. Fed did not convert on most of those points because he made UEs, not that Rafa hit winners. Rafa raises his game and plays more defence but Fed does not raise his game. This is a clear indication that Fed is tight which is definately mental.

Fed either tries too hard or plays not to lose giving the op to Rafa to attack; again mental. I think he gives Rafa too much respect. I remember when Nalby had a 6 to 2 h2h over Fed and did the same thing. As soon as Nalby lost conditioning Fed gained confidence and reversed the record. Fed needs to find this same way to play comfortable with Rafa to regain confidence. If Fed can get stronger and match Rafa's intensity, then I believe he has the variety and talent to easily take Rafa out. The question is whether Fed will get into that level of shape. If he wants his history back, then he will.

Cheers, TennezSport :cool:

I think you're underrating Nadal's talent here but either way I hope Fed improves his game/fitness and finds more confidence against Nadal.
 
Last two majors.....The Man (Fed) wins one (US Open) and comes in 2nd in the other (AO).

What do you mean Fed fans Nat all is bad....blah blah blah....

ANY player would love to have that record. Hell, even Nadal. Which he doesn't have.
 
Oh yeah. The final where Nadal hurt his knee and had to play like 6 days in a row. Wimbledon 2008 actually was more clutch from Federer but Nadal was healthy there.

Amazing how people discount Nadal playing every day during that final. You're absolutely right, Fed was more clutch in Wimby 2008. Only that time Rafa wasn't disadvantaged.
 
The ifs, or's and buts need to quit. Fed served badly in the AO 2009 final that he lost to Rafa, but he served well in most of the others and still lost.

Fed loses sometimes. He is not a god.
 
Last two majors.....The Man (Fed) wins one (US Open) and comes in 2nd in the other (AO).

What do you mean Fed fans Nat all is bad....blah blah blah....

ANY player would love to have that record. Hell, even Nadal. Which he doesn't have.
What do you mean, "record he doesn't have"? Nadal is the defending champion of 3 slams at once on 3 different surfaces (clay, grass and hard court). Could Federer ever say that? Hum that's what I thought.
 
What do you mean, "record he doesn't have"? Nadal is the defending champion of 3 slams at once on 3 different surfaces (clay, grass and hard court). Could Federer ever say that? Hum that's what I thought.

You are absolutely right. Federer is a complete joke.
 
1/AO 06:Nadal foot injury- did not play. Fed beats slam final rookie Baghdadis.

Nadal was nowhere as good on HCs as he is now , he needed to get to the finals first even if he was fit and even if he had federer would be favoured heavily. Ok, so federer is not supposed to beat slam final rookies, right ? Just like a certain pete sampras not beating hewitt and safin in the USO finals :oops:

2/ A0 07. Nadal plays injured, loses to Gonzo. Fed gets easy final v slam final rookie Gonzo.

What a load of crap, nadal wasn't injured, he just got crushed by gonzo. Easy final victim ? :) Gonzo was on fire throughout the tournament and crushing everyone. He played well in the finals too, but TMF was too good for him.

3/ WIm 07: Nadal cruising to victory before suffering knee tendon injury. Fed accepts the gift to equal borgs 5 Wimbledons

He was fully alright, it was only a minor niggle and nadal was running around as well as he was before. I remember praying so fervently that nadal would be alright so that we could witness a proper finish to that excellent match and thankfully he was .

4/ US open 07: Nadal plays on 1 leg, still suffering from the Wimbledon knee tendon injury. Fed beats slam final rookie Chokervic in final

lol, yeah, nadal is forever injured. and federer being clutch on those points doesn't count, only djoko choking away some them count !

5/ US open 08: Nadal Sacrifices US open by winning Olympic singles Gold. Exhausted at US open. Fed beats slam final rookie Murray in final.

Fed should thank Nadal for sacrificing the 08 US Open for the Olympic Gold.

murray wouldn't have beaten federer the way federer was playing in the finals anyways. As far as nadal is concerned, he is forever injured and tired. * yawn *


Or not... I think Fed's attitude is that he and only he deserves all the luck so he'll take any luck he gets for granted. I can see this attitude in him when he uses the hawkeye challenge system and acts like he's the only guy who deserves the challenges.

He doesn't like the hawkeye system and doesn't want it in place . Yet you say he act like he's the only guy who deserves the challenges ? :lol:

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Amazing how people discount Nadal playing every day during that final. You're absolutely right, Fed was more clutch in Wimby 2008. Only that time Rafa wasn't disadvantaged.

Wrong, he was fine in the finals. He didn't even have to complete his SF match against djoko.

The main difference was nadal's serving ( he improved his speed AND placement to a great extent).

IMO, nadal's best set against federer on grass still remains that 4th set in the wimby 2007 finals, he played amazing .

and lol @ bold part :)
 
Good post. I think the AO defeat might have been the best thing at the best time to ever happen to Federer. It hopefully has shaken him up enough to realize that some things need to change.

True, he needs to change some things and not be stubborn.
 
Amazing...........

What amazes me are the statements that when Rafa is winning he is the most talented player on the planet. When Rafa is losing he was injured or tired, but when we talk about Rafa's knee or injury issues, we get Rafa is NOT injured; he is young and strong and will play forever with knees taped and playing in contant pain.

Which is it???

I have nothing against Rafa as I think he is great for the game; adds intensity and passion along with great shot making. But all of these double standards by the Mighty Rafa Rump Rangers is a bit much. You cannot have it both ways. Can you say "objectivity" ???

Cheers, TennezSport :cool:
 
What amazes me are the statements that when Rafa is winning he is the most talented player on the planet. When Rafa is losing he was injured or tired, but when we talk about Rafa's knee or injury issues, we get Rafa is NOT injured; he is young and strong and will play forever with knees taped and playing in contant pain.

Which is it???

I have nothing against Rafa as I think he is great for the game; adds intensity and passion along with great shot making. But all of these double standards by the Mighty Rafa Rump Rangers is a bit much. You cannot have it both ways. Can you say "objectivity" ???

Cheers, TennezSport :cool:

Nadal has been obviously out of gas in some matches (Hamburg '07 Federer) or visibly injured (Rome '08 Ferrero). It usually happens when you play so many matches but it doesn't mean his career is seriously threatened like some of his haters want to believe. I remember some of them celebrating his last injury in November, trolling again and sticking a fork in his career.
2 months later, he won the Australian Open. Playing 10 hours in 2 days and winning? Not bad for such a weak knees.
 
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What amazes me are the statements that when Rafa is winning he is the most talented player on the planet. When Rafa is losing he was injured or tired, but when we talk about Rafa's knee or injury issues, we get Rafa is NOT injured; he is young and strong and will play forever with knees taped and playing in contant pain.

Which is it???

I have nothing against Rafa as I think he is great for the game; adds intensity and passion along with great shot making. But all of these double standards by the Mighty Rafa Rump Rangers is a bit much. You cannot have it both ways. Can you say "objectivity" ???

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Can only speak for me. There are times Rafa was injured and times that Rafa lost.

2007 Wimbledon where he played every day up until the final--not a good thing, especially since it could have been avoided by the organisers. I think Novak was disadvantaged as well.

2008 Semifinal loss to Djokovic after winning so many tournaments in a row with little rest-there has to be some weariness.

2008 AO Semi vs. Tsonga-Rafa lost fair and square.

2007 AO Semi vs. Gonzo-Rafa lost fair and square.

Had he lost to Verdasco 2009 AO semi, it also would have been fair and square.

Sometimes there are circumstances surrounding a match; sometimes they're not.
 
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