For me, I have changed my mind on G.O.A.T...it's clearly Federer

McEnborg

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Just over a year ago after Rafa won his 9th French title, I gave him the slight nod over Roger due to getting to within 3 of Fed and the dominant head to head record. I fully expected Rafa to get to at least 16-18 majors. Now, I don't think that will happen. And Fed...he just keeps playing so well at almost 34.

He's absolutely incredible. Novak is almost SIX years younger and today's result was expected. But, when you look at Roger's durability, his 86 titles, 26 grand slam titles, his 37 slam semis or better, his 9 year end final appearances and SIX year end titles...his 41 Masters' level finals and 23 titles there, all of his number one year end rankings....it's phenomenal.

At ages 32 and 33, Roger has gotten to 20 tournament finals...TWENTY...and has won half of them. This is at ages 32 and 33 and he comes this close to winning Wimbledon at almost 34...it's astonishing. How his body holds up, how he paces himself, how incredibly quick and agile he STILL is, how his serve has actually improved as well as his net play...amazing.

Connors and Lendl won a few more tournaments, but Roger has more than doubled their grand slam titles. And, we all know he's a more talented player overall than Laver, who is clearly in the top 5 of all time. Unless Rafa turns it back on, which is doubtful with his injuries, style of play and being an "old" 29 and unless Novak can get up to 14 or 15 majors...which he might, Roger is CLEARLY the greatest of all time.
 
Don't focus on whether he ever gets 18, focus and celebrate the fact that he still plays so well at 34... 10 Wimby finals is unbelievable.
I'm still 100% amazed and cannot believe the performace of him at almost 34, in that Murray semi. Honestly, I say that's one of his best ever single matches if you take into account his age and the limitations it gives. It's these moments why I still keep on watching him play, it's simply amazing to see that talent in full shine when it happens!

All props to Djokovic, after that amazing SF performance of Fed I still thought before match that Djokovic is the favorite by 60/40. If I hadn't seen that semi, I would've said that Djokovic is the favorite at 75/25, against 34yo Fed.

My opinion on GOAT: Federer is the clear GOAT, unless Djokovic gets to 18 slams. Djokovic and Nadal all IMO close to equal in abilities, and it would be fitting to have Djokovic finish at 13 slams so that everybody would agree with this. Still, I put Sampras above both Nadal and Djokovic, due to tons more weeks #1. Borg is at slightly below Nadal. Laver is hard to give definite answer as the pre-open era was so different.
 
I'm still 100% amazed and cannot believe the performace of him at almost 34, in that Murray semi. Honestly, I say that's one of his best ever single matches if you take into account his age and the limitations it gives. It's these moments why I still keep on watching him play, it's simply amazing to see that talent in full shine when it happens!

All props to Djokovic, after that amazing SF performance of Fed I still thought before match that Djokovic is the favorite by 60/40. If I hadn't seen that semi, I would've said that Djokovic is the favorite at 75/25, against 34yo Fed.

My opinion on GOAT: Federer is the clear GOAT, unless Djokovic gets to 18 slams. Djokovic and Nadal all IMO close to equal in abilities, and it would be fitting to have Djokovic finish at 13 slams so that everybody would agree with this. Still, I put Sampras above both Nadal and Djokovic, due to tons more weeks #1. Borg is at slightly below Nadal. Laver is hard to give definite answer as the pre-open era was so different.

I think whenever Djokovic- who played great and deservingly won, wins a major everyone get's a bit myopic. I think he'll decline the same way past champions have declined. I don't really think winning 5 majors to equal Nadal/Sampras is realistic. Check out the no one has won 5 majors after 27 y/o thread...
 
I think whenever Djokovic- who played great and deservingly won, wins a major everyone get's a bit myopic. I think he'll decline the same way past champions have declined. I don't really think winning 5 majors to equal Nadal/Sampras is realistic. Check out the no one has won 5 majors after 27 y/o thread...
Problem is, we got only "old guys" in the business ends of most all slams. Kyrgios is the only young guy who has got to slam QFs or deeper multiple times. Kokkinakis/Coric et.al are still too young to challenge Djokovic, and Dimitrov/Nishikori/Raonic have not enough potential. Which younger player will replace Djokovic?
 
Problem is, we got only "old guys" in the business ends of most all slams. Kyrgios is the only young guy who has got to slam QFs or deeper multiple times. Kokkinakis/Coric et.al are still too young to challenge Djokovic, and Dimitrov/Nishikori/Raonic have not enough potential. Which younger player will replace Djokovic?

I don't think it's so much that a younger guy will replace Novak, more so that his level will fall precipitously- it comes in the form of an early loss at a Major or brainfarts in Major finals. I remember after Fed won AO 2010, ppl predicted he'd win 20 slams... 5 years later haha. It's just the nature of things in tennis- no one is invincible forever.
 
I don't think it's so much that a younger guy will replace Novak, more so that his level will fall precipitously- it comes in the form of an early loss at a Major or brainfarts in Major finals. I remember after Fed won AO 2010, ppl predicted he'd win 20 slams... 5 years later haha. It's just the nature of things in tennis- no one is invincible forever.
But Federer had Djokovic/Nadal to compete against, during his decline! Remember, Federer would've probably won 2-3 of USO10/11 and RG11 with "normal competition level".
 
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