For people who can't seem to figure out NTRP ratings (lancernrg needs to most help)

tenniko said:
Yeah... Socal tennis is tough... :sad:

but the competition is nice

edit: And, yes. You'd have to see them play matches to know their true level. I know guys who go all out and never miss during rallies and they look +5.0. When you play them, they play at about 3.5~4.0.
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The average 4.0-4.5 players USTA players in Socal are not really that much different from what I am use to playing. The main difference is that there are so many more players out there. When you have to go through a huge draw for a tourney that makes it tough because you are bound to run into one of the players that are on the very high end of your level that you are playing at.
 
I originally posted the 3.5 & 4.0 videos in a different thread. See first post of http://tt.tennis-warehouse.com/showthread.php?t=119562

I have played against some of these guys; played with people who played them. I know the records of these players and the people who played them. One of the teams in the 3.5 videos are the current National runners-up. Their 4 best players have been bumped up so they are not the same any more, but my point is that I can compare these players to national standards with only a couple of degrees of separation.

I can tell you these players are in the middle 50% of their rating level. In other words, they are neither in the bottom 25% nor in the top 25%. If your opinion differs, that only reflects on your ability to judge level of play from a YouTube video. Video appraisals in this forum are based on stroke form, because that is all you can see in the video. The 3.5 #2 singles guy near the camera is a frail 57 year old with poor looking form in his strokes, but he toys with young players whose strokes I have difficulty distinguishing from 5.0 or even 6.0.

Edit: andymac1, I think this thread amounts to mild plagiarism. You took parts of the earlier thread by onehandbh which was posted with essentially the same intent as yours, with no acknowledgement. As far as I can tell, the parts that you took from there(3.5, 4.0 videos that I contributed to that thread) are the only authentic info in your thread. The rest is just your opinion or stuff that is widely available to readers of this forum. I do think that you did a nice job of putting things together, but it would have been more honest to acknowledge the work onehandbh & myself who have been planning since winter to collect authentic NTRP videos.
 
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My wife videotaped my once so I could see what I was doing on the court. After watching the tape I wondered, "Why do I sweat so much during a match; I barely move at all?" :p

I concur with what many others here have said already -- most of us think we look A LOT better on the court than we really do.
 
maverick1 said:
The 3.5 #2 singles guy near the camera is a frail 57 year old with poor looking form in his strokes, but he toys with young players whose strokes I have difficulty distinguishing from 5.0 or even 6.0.
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Pull the other one.
 
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ShcMad said:
I didn't have time to read this whole thread, but did somebody say zapvor is a 2.5? I assure you he's not. I've played with him a couple times, and he's definitely not 2.5


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he called himself a 2.5, but can hit better than the 4.0s in the video. Don't know what that means.
 
goober said:
he called himself a 2.5, but can hit better than the 4.0s in the video. Don't know what that means.
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I personally think zapvor has the strokes and mechanics almost down. However, I think he needs more match-play experience under his belt.

That same thing applies to me as well. I can keep a nice rally going, but when it comes to play for points, I make more unforced errors than Serena on a bad day.
 
goober said:
he called himself a 2.5, but can hit better than the 4.0s in the video. Don't know what that means.
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meaning is simple, both he and I think the 4.0s in the videos are of poor tennis quality and don't deserve to be 4.0s despite whatever so-called results you guys claimed they have.

also he calls himself a 2.5 because he is good but he plays with advanced players a lot who have penetrating shots with heavy topspin, pace and depth that causes him to return shots at a lower quality than he is able
 
ShcMad said:
I didn't have time to read this whole thread, but did somebody say zapvor is a 2.5? I assure you he's not. I've played with him a couple times, and he's definitely not 2.5

And, this is what a 2.5 looks like:

http://youtube.com/watch?v=GXHqSoOqUP0

lol sad but true.
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goober said:
he called himself a 2.5, but can hit better than the 4.0s in the video. Don't know what that means.
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ShcMad said:
I personally think zapvor has the strokes and mechanics almost down. However, I think he needs more match-play experience under his belt.

That same thing applies to me as well. I can keep a nice rally going, but when it comes to play for points, I make more unforced errors than Serena on a bad day.
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LOL you are not 2.5 if you are 2.5 shcmad i am a 1.5. and i am 2.5 damnit! yea goober i rate myself 2.5, and those guys in the video arent 4.0. didnt we go over this already?

yea i have yet to win a single match i played. i only have my strokes down when i am playing soccer moms who think my serve is good LOL. but the moms are really nice. hahahha than serena?
 
x Southpaw x said:
meaning is simple, both he and I think the 4.0s in the videos are of poor tennis quality and don't deserve to be 4.0s despite whatever so-called results you guys claimed they have.

also he calls himself a 2.5 because he is good but he plays with advanced players a lot who have penetrating shots with heavy topspin, pace and depth that causes him to return shots at a lower quality than he is able
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I miss you guys a lot sometimes. thanks to you guys.
 
x Southpaw x said:
meaning is simple, both he and I think the 4.0s in the videos are of poor tennis quality and don't deserve to be 4.0s despite whatever so-called results you guys claimed they have.

also he calls himself a 2.5 because he is good but he plays with advanced players a lot who have penetrating shots with heavy topspin, pace and depth that causes him to return shots at a lower quality than he is able
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Well I don't know those guys in the video but if they are playing USTA they have a computer rating. I consider the computer rating "official" since it is result based. Ratings are based on wins and losses not style points. Are you saying that they don't deserve their computer rating and their NTRP should be lowered based on the video? Have you played USTA league tennis? It may change your mind about a lot of what you are talking about.
 
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=ZRfKP2T1nSc

this is the sort of player I play - in fact the guy I play (here in Aust) play remarkably ths same... but urgh I lose to him like 3 and 4 usually. He can have an odd off night, but it doesn't happen very often. He's fit and well drilled and I am too, but yeah videos don't tell the whole story as match play is the true test.
 
goober said:
Well I don't know those guys in the video but if they are playing USTA they have a computer rating. I consider the computer rating "official" since it is result based. Ratings are based on wins and losses not style points. Are you saying that they don't deserve their computer rating and their NTRP should be lowered based on the video? Have you played USTA league tennis? It may change your mind about a lot of what you are talking about.
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It's youtube for god's sake, anyone can post a random video and title it usta 4.0 etc. There was another guy who posted a much more visually credible video of a 4.5 doubles the video had several palm trees and showed only one guy's service game. The guy who posted it also claims it is usta and official. The 4 guys in the videos do look like 4.5s. The difference between 4.0 and 4.5 is huge, but not that...
actually whatever. I don't care if they really are 4.0s nor care about playing usta league
 
i think when i post my youtube, i am going to label it "USTA nationals semi final match 4.5 league"
hahahahaha
 
x Southpaw x said:
There was another guy who posted a much more visually credible video of a 4.5 doubles the video had several palm trees and showed only one guy's service game.
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I believe you are refering to the 4.5 doubles video posted by onehandbh in this thread:
http://tt.tennis-warehouse.com/showthread.php?t=119562
It was from a USTA doubles league in the winter.

I taped and posted the 3.5 & 4.0 YouTube videos that are referenced in that thread as well as this one. These videos are from the current USTA summer league, played in 3 singles + 2 doubles format. Most of the players in my videos are computer rated. One of the 3.5s is self-rated because this is his first year, but he won his match, and I consider him a very representative 3.5 based on results, even though you may not think much of how he looks.
 
If they bothered reading the thread you posted this on, they would already know that it was a TW forum member that took the videos and posted them. Maybe they think you are making this stuff up for some reason. If they don't want to believe it I guess it not a big deal. It is easy to make fun of other people and downgrade their abilities when all you do is play among your friends and you never test yourself in a tournament or league play.
 
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