Forehand forward swing
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Morch Us
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don't fall into the trap. If you notice any specific faults in your technique, of course go and fix that "one" specific thing. But otherwise, just pull "before" and release "into" contact.
ballistic
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Lol I hear you. It is difficult to navigate the internet coaching and conflicting takes on the stroke to know what works. I know I haven’t been actively pulling the handle. It’s been more of the hip rotation and letting the arm follow. It feels very disconnected and difficult to control depth. I’ll try pulling and see if that feels better. Thanks for the advice.
socallefty
G.O.A.T.
Once you have coiled the hip/shoulders properly, had an early takeback and bent your knees to get some leg drive, try to hit the crap out of the ball in practice to deep targets in the corners while moving your weight forward and hitting the ball well in front of you with full extension. Keep experimenting with your swingpath until you feel you have a lot of control at full swing speed while generating tons of spin with a low-high swing path that also involves hitting through contact forward. That is the swing path that is right from you and you will ‘feel’ it - you need a combination of vertical and horizontal momentum in your swing to generate pace and spin.
If you think about all these things you posted about while playing, you are never going to play well. Practice till you have good muscle memory of a fluid swing path for you that you can execute without thinking. Think only about where to hit the ball, what pace, what spin, what trajectory etc.
If you think about all these things you posted about while playing, you are never going to play well. Practice till you have good muscle memory of a fluid swing path for you that you can execute without thinking. Think only about where to hit the ball, what pace, what spin, what trajectory etc.
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user92626
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That's a great question. I really don't know.
For me personally I just try to swing hard into the ball and often I miss. So, I guess what I do is wrong. Don't follow that.
user92626
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But....
Funny and coincidentally, I lost badly today, like 0-6. In conversation the guy who beat me told me that maybe I should stop watching youtube, thinking about techniques. Just play.
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Try to create this image in your forward swing -
The intense ball focus will definitely help.
It's more than focus, the body position is the most effective way to make square contact with the ball. Try to recreate in your swing and you may understand it.
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It's more than focus, the body position is the most effective way to make square contact with the ball. Try to recreate in your swing and you may understand it.
Beleive me, Im not too far off thanks to my coach. As an adult learner starting near 40 - it took of effort from him and me and is not going to suddenly appear by imagining looking like Rafa or Roger.
socallefty
G.O.A.T.
I saw a picture of a world famous heart surgeon doing heart valve surgery today. I’ve also seen many open-heart surgeries in the OR as part of my work. I am pretty sure I can do heart surgery now just like you guys can hit the ball perfectly after seeing a picture of Rafa and Fed hitting their FHs. Any of you need heart surgery? I’ll do it pro bono and all you have to do is trust me.
Curious
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But I did a world class installation of all my window blinds including some motorised ones by watching YouTube videos.
socallefty
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Next thread you start should be about whether playing tennis is closer to installing window blinds or doing heart surgery.But I did a world class installation of all my window blinds including some motorised ones by watching YouTube videos.
Curious
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It’s obvious, closer to installing window blinds of course.
socallefty
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I think we need a poll.
Your are being silly and a troll.
Many of these posters have been playing tennis for 8-10 years or more. Anyone with a decent rational thinking will understand.
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Deleted member 775108
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Even imagining controlling the racquet head for 2 feet in the fastest section of racquet movement feel weird. But I guess since it is just a thought maybe it could work for some.
I would rather envision about something else like hitting the back of the head of the ball (as against the back of the ball or bottom on the ball) which when i tell my beginner daughter to do - immediately has her coming over the ball and hitting cleaner topspin shots without any technique changes.
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i envision starting the racquet in a circular path, and adding to it's building momentum throughout the swing path with hips & legs & arms... if i focus on any one thing, i'm probably neglecting all the rest...
fecund345
Semi-Pro
Please don't listen to me because I am able to do what most people cannot do or refuse to accept as true on an intellectual level. I pull the racket through with my hip rotation, but it doesnt lag. This means thst the hips control the racket head speed( joined at the hip) At the point of contact the arm is releasd to accelerate into the ball and follow through. Its just like a straight right punch in boxing. The arm is controlled by the hip and then the arm straigtens on contact and through the body of the opponent.
user92626
G.O.A.T.
I just realize you and I got the same ...ball machine
And you're doing exactly what I'm doing.. Putting it on something to increase its height. I'm going buy more ball holders to increase the number.
You also swing like I do, too. Usually off the front foot. I switched to it long ago when my FH side knee hurt and it became a permanent thing.
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I just realize you and I got the same ...ball machine
I'm going buy more ball holders to increase the number.
You also swing like I do, too. Usually off the front foot. I switched to it long ago when my FH side knee hurt and it became a permanent thing.
Nice. I am really enjoying this machine to train my 9 year old daughter. I can even sit right next to the machine and relay instructions and see can see immediate improvement/change.
Where did you buy the extra ball holders? You can PM me if required.
ChaelAZ
G.O.A.T.
In matches I deally I am set and balanced and all of that happens more automatically than trying to go through steps. I am usually more focused on the contact point I want and how to hit the ball to produce the ball I am trying to produce. If it’s practice, I think about a lot of things, but usually have only one or two that I might be evaluating or working on.
Back when starting I definitely over-thought all of it.
FuzzyYellowBalls
Legend
No footwork, no weight transfer, just what target I want to hit....
Where are the indoor courts in TX?
ChaelAZ
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FuzzyYellowBalls
Legend
In TX? Every city. Dallas has I think 12 different places with indoors . That video isn't form a texas facility though if that's what you meant.
I like the way he pulls his ears out whenever the ball goes between the ball machine and the ball hopper to the right. He has got that synchronized to perfection. He is definitely onto something special. .
Ok was checking if anything near frisco area.
FuzzyYellowBalls
Legend
Maybe a country club up there?
Lifetime also I believe. That itself is too pricey for me let alone country clubs. Heat is brutal though this time even for Tx. Might have to consider it as an option.
user92626
G.O.A.T.
i just set it up and did a few hitting before some guests came to visit us.
The item is exactly the same model as my existing machine so they connect like lego! Solid.
I'm happy with this purchase because I go from 11 balls to 25 balls now and it does scratch the hitting itch per session. 11 was annoyingly short. It gave me no time to ponder about changes.
MyFearHand
Professional
I don’t think he’s being silly or trolling. He’s making the point that observing videos of pros and then trying to emulate it is not effective. If you want to use pros to learn you need to pick some aspect of what they’re doing e.g. contact in front and try to emulate that. But even that’s not enough, you need to get some sort of feedback (a friend, a coach, video) to see if you’re actually doing what you think you are.
Need an external observer to provide feedbak to verify if the player is doing what he thinks he is doing ? Tbh, to say that is equivalent of preaching high schoolers with A or B in math that 1+1 is 2 or 100 x 0 is 0. If someone does that, I'm calling their bluff.
MyFearHand
Professional
I’ve experienced this personally on my serve. I was trying to change how much I lagged my right hand. I felt like I started doing it and my friend showed me a before and after video. There was almost no difference. So then I exaggerated to a point where it felt ridiculous and the video showed I was lagging it to the point I originally thought I was.
These movements are happening quickly. Just because you think you’re making contact out in front, say, doesn’t mean you really are. This is the same wake-up call people get when they think their movement feels pretty good and then they watch a video of themselves.
The huge gap between feeling and what shows up on video is a well understood idea by players who are really trying to improve and do video almost daily (like @Curious ).
My original reply was to a self coaching video analysis.
If someone shows off their online narcissistic personality disorder (like the poster you are advocating for), I'll punch back.
user92626
G.O.A.T.
Instead of an external observer, can I use video recording n observe n correct myself?
user92626
G.O.A.T.
Curious ' video edit skill and talking skill on video have improved tremendously over the years though.
When you are watching your own video, are you not external?
MyFearHand
Professional
Of course! That’s why I said friend, coach or video.
user92626
G.O.A.T.
Not external enough?
optic yellow
Legend
^ this does work, in case anyone is curious
