Forehand wrist

[eaglesburg]

on my forehands I extend and kind of supinate my wrist during the takeback. Is that incorrect? When I watch Federer's forehand in slow mo it appears that his wrist is relaxed and neutral. He achieves the position where his tip is pointing to the side fence whereas I do not. I kind of snap thru my swing from the top of my backswing whereas he lets the racket drop first.
Any other problems?

Thanks!

 

[dgold44]

ahhh.... I would say that looks like one incredible forehand!!!!

I am guessing you are 5.0 player, if not higher !!!
You even have the exact same loop as the top pros do. You also fully bring your racket all the way back.
If you look at nadal and Djoker forehand they also have the racket head tip point to the ground after they take a full back swing. This gives them more spin.
I would not think about changing that monster.
I can see now why you are rated "professional" on this board lol.

 

[dgold44]

You hit from fully open stance. Do you have a full Western or semi western grip.

I hit mostly from closed stance with Eastern grip.

 

[dgold44]

If your serve/ BH is as good as your FH -then you will be kicking some 5.0 butt !!!!

 

[eaglesburg]

I'm a 4.0. My forehand needs works. Read my op. It's kind of too snappy.

Rafa starts with a pulled back wrist. However it appears that he relaxes it as his racket drops. However I don't think have either a relaxation or a true racket drop.
http://www.tennisclip.com/mobile/watch.php?vid=b9740fc29
Same with Federer.
Another problem is my excessive jumping. When I get excited, especially when I have time, I tend to jump too early and too much and lose power and consistency. However for example on hard Serves to my forehand I whack them back with ease-I allow my natural rotation to carry me off the ground after the shot. I end up jumping less and later. Those are much better shots for me.

I use a mild semi western and I grip really loose. I am trying to learn to hit a true semi open stance (45 degrees) as well and get more comfortable with neutral stance for low balls and short balls.

 

[Aretium]

From your follow through, it looks like you are tensing your arm, try and throw the racket through the contact.

 

[eaglesburg]

From your follow through, it looks like you are tensing your arm, try and throw the racket through the contact.

I think that might be a byproduct of late contact...I kind of let the ball come to me and swing at the last possible moment instead of going to get the ball. Still, I will try see if I can push my elbow farther away from my body during the follow through.

 

[BlueB]

I like it.

 

[Aretium]

I think that might be a byproduct of late contact...I kind of let the ball come to me and swing at the last possible moment instead of going to get the ball. Still, I will try see if I can push my elbow farther away from my body during the follow through.

Yeah, could be, but still it looks great!

 

[moonballs]

I think that might be a byproduct of late contact...I kind of let the ball come to me and swing at the last possible moment instead of going to get the ball. Still, I will try see if I can push my elbow farther away from my body during the follow through.

Very good forehand. On the supernating question I think as long as you are not actively doing it, just let it be the by product of take back and tacquet drop, it is fine.

I did saw a minor issue of late contact, for example the first slow motion forehand. But the contact at 36 sec looks good. Over all looks solid technique.

 

[eaglesburg]

Very good forehand. On the supernating question I think as long as you are not actively doing it, just let it be the by product of take back and tacquet drop, it is fine.

I did saw a minor issue of late contact, for example the first slow motion forehand. But the contact at 36 sec looks good. Over all looks solid technique.

Thanks for the reply.
I can't tell if the supination is active, because even if it is, it is so ingrained in my muscle memory that I wouldn't know that it is active.

 

[Enga]

Forehand is looking good, better than mine so I cant really give advice. But one thing you said caught my eye.

I think that might be a byproduct of late contact...I kind of let the ball come to me and swing at the last possible moment instead of going to get the ball.

Hows your eyesight? Are you seeing the ball well after your opponent makes contact, and after it bounces? I feel like I'm personally robbed of a lot of power on my strokes because I fail to see the ball's spin, and perceive it's speed due to short-sightedness. I end up much more stiff than I want to be.

 

[Chotobaka]

With that FH, I would not change a thing. Further, I would stop thinking about it.

 

[mad dog1]

fh looks better, but the upper body is still leaning back (see the 2nd & 3rd forehands in the vid).

 

[eaglesburg]

fh looks better, but the upper body is still leaning back (see the 2nd & 3rd forehands in the vid).

Ya that's another thing I also do better on quick returns...I get my weight moving forward more. Any other advice?

 

[eaglesburg]

Forehand is looking good, better than mine so I cant really give advice. But one thing you said caught my eye.



Hows your eyesight? Are you seeing the ball well after your opponent makes contact, and after it bounces? I feel like I'm personally robbed of a lot of power on my strokes because I fail to see the ball's spin, and perceive it's speed due to short-sightedness. I end up much more stiff than I want to be.

-5.25, -4.75 corrected with contacts and glasses.

 

[mad dog1]

...Rafa starts with a pulled back wrist. However it appears that he relaxes it as his racket drops. However I don't think have either a relaxation or a true racket drop...

the reason why you don't drop the racket head is because you turn your shoulders too late so if you were to drop the racket head, you would be hitting too late. i think that is a contributing factor to your upper body leaning back as well. while i can't see where the ball is when you start your unit turn from your vid, i can hear the ball bouncing and you don't start your take back until around the time or until after the ball bounces on your side. re-watch the rafa vid. his shoulders are turned way before the ball even bounces. this gives him plenty of time to drop the racket head and he's facing an incoming ball that is travelling a lot faster than the one you are facing.

...Another problem is my excessive jumping. When I get excited, especially when I have time, I tend to jump too early and too much and lose power and consistency. However for example on hard Serves to my forehand I whack them back with ease-I allow my natural rotation to carry me off the ground after the shot. I end up jumping less and later. Those are much better shots for me.

don't jump.

 

[eaglesburg]

don't jump.

should I resist the urge to leave the ground even if it happens completely naturally?

 

[mad dog1]

should I resist the urge to leave the ground even if it happens completely naturally?

if it happens naturally, fine. pros leave their feet naturally. but they are not trying to jump on every shot.

 

[dgold44]

Eagle, clearly your problem is you need to quickly switch to a continental grip like old Connors and MAC.
I am sure after 10 yrs of practice you will get used to it lol It worked for those 2.



No the FH looks terrific.

 

[LeeD]

How's your putaway power?
Bent elbow is great control, but an extended elbow, more straightened, can provide more power. Not a flaw, if you have the power you need for your game.

 

[SystemicAnomaly]

Hows your eyesight?

-5.25, -4.75 corrected with contacts and glasses.

Only the tip of the iceberg. There is a whole lot more to vision/visual skills that just static visual acuity. There is dynamic acuity, eye teeming, hand-eye coordination, depth perception, peripheral vision/awareness, tracking skills and many more that are important for sports like tennis.

http://www.visiontherapy4kids.com/ContentPage.aspx?id=52
http://psychology.wikia.com/wiki/Visual_skills
http://www.covd.org/?page=Visual_Skills

You might consider looking into sports vision training.

 

[eaglesburg]

How's your putaway power?
Bent elbow is great control, but an extended elbow, more straightened, can provide more power. Not a flaw, if you have the power you need for your game.

Some more wouldn't hurt.

 

[eaglesburg]

Only the tip of the iceberg. There is a whole lot more to vision/visual skills that just static visual acuity. There is dynamic acuity, eye teeming, hand-eye coordination, depth perception, peripheral vision/awareness, tracking skills and many more that are important for sports like tennis.

http://www.visiontherapy4kids.com/ContentPage.aspx?id=52
http://psychology.wikia.com/wiki/Visual_skills
http://www.covd.org/?page=Visual_Skills

You might consider looking into sports vision training.

How do I know if my vision is subpar and. If training will help? It will probably help either way but probably much more if my vision is bad. Otherwise I would rather spend my time working on a real weakness

 

[eaglesburg]

Some more wouldn't hurt.

How's your putaway power?
Bent elbow is great control, but an extended elbow, more straightened, can provide more power. Not a flaw, if you have the power you need for your game.

If I were to change to straight arm I would have to change my entire stroke.
http://tt.tennis-warehouse.com/inde...t-the-windshield-wiper-forehand.296824/page-2
I will experiment with it though and if like what I see I might go through with it.

 

[SystemicAnomaly]

How do I know if my vision is subpar and. If training will help? It will probably help either way but probably much more if my vision is bad. Otherwise I would rather spend my time working on a real weakness

You could go to an optometrist who specializes in vision training (a behavioral optometrist) and have a battery of vision tests performed to see if you have any weaknesses that might affect your visual skills for tennis.

I did this in the my 30s (some 30 years ago) and discovered that I had a convergence insufficiency. I was born with this condition but it was never diagnosed until I had the battery of vision tests for sports vision training. Not only did this affect my hand-eye coordination, it was a previously un-diagnosed learning disability.

 

[eaglesburg]

You could go to an optometrist who specializes in vision training (a behavioral optometrist) and have a battery of vision tests performed to see if you have any weaknesses that might affect your visual skills for tennis.

I did this in the my 30s (some 30 years ago) and discovered that I had a convergence insufficiency. I was born with this condition but it was never diagnosed until I had the battery of vision tests for sports vision training. Not only did this affect my hand-eye coordination, it was a previously un-diagnosed learning disability.

Have you corrected it?

Are there no online tests? I doubt my parents would be up to that...

What do you see in my forehand in terms of technique?

 

[dgold44]

Eagle, do you regular play open level tourneys??? Do you play on your club 5.0 team??
That forehand looks damn fine

 

[eaglesburg]

Eagle, do you regular play open level tourneys??? Do you play on your club 5.0 team??
That forehand looks damn fine

Read my second post

 

[SystemicAnomaly]

Have you corrected it?

Are there no online tests? ...

The convergence insufficiency (CI) is due to physical limitations of the muscles that control the eyes. With vision training I was able to improve the condition considerably but not able to completely correct the insufficiency. The sports vision training I performed improved the CI condition and improved other visual skills as well for both tennis and badminton.

As a side benefit, the training also improved my ability to read and concentrate for longer periods of time. It also improved my ability to work with computer screens. Before the training, I was getting eyestrain/headaches, on a daily basis, after working at a computer monitor after just 2-3 hours. It was much worse at book reading distances. The eyestrain would happen after only 10-15 minutes of reading a book or other printed material. Before I learned that this was a learning disability due to a physical limitation, I assumed that I was just not a "book" learner or I was just too lazy to read and concentrate for extended periods of time. It would have certainly made school and life a whole lot easier if I had discovered this before graduating from college.

CI is certainly not the only visual limitation that can hamper your ability in reading, writing, learning, driving, and sports. Improving visual skills can, in turn, improve athletic skills. It can also benefit you in school, at work, and while driving. This certainly makes it worthwhile -- even if your visual skills aren't seriously flawed.

There are some online tests & training that can test and, possibly, improve some aspects of vision/visual skills. However, there are drawbacks to this since it is limited to 2 dimensions for the most part. It would also be limited for testing the range of your peripheral vision and some other visual skills. A behavioral optometrist can provide a more complete series of tests to identify visual limitations or visual skills that can be improved.

It might be worthwhile to purchase a Brock string (for $5-$10). It can be used to identify and improve CI or other binocular issues. It can also be used in a variety of ways to improve visual tracking and your ability to quickly shift your focus and convergence accurately.

Have you ever mastered the Magic Eye stereograms? You need to be able to control focus and convergence independently to master these. Also check out the eccentric circles test:

http://cdn.bernell.com/images/uploads/3229_4900_popup.jpg

Escapa: another challenging test
http://members.iinet.net.au/~pontipak/redsquare.html

 

[eaglesburg]

The convergence insufficiency (CI) is due to physical limitations of the muscles that control the eyes. With vision training I was able to improve the condition considerably but not able to completely correct the insufficiency. The sports vision training I performed improved the CI condition and improved other visual skills as well for both tennis and badminton.

As a side benefit, the training also improved my ability to read and concentrate for longer periods of time. It also improved my ability to work with computer screens. Before the training, I was getting eyestrain/headaches, on a daily basis, after working at a computer monitor after just 2-3 hours. It was much worse at book reading distances. The eyestrain would happen after only 10-15 minutes of reading a book or other printed material. Before I learned that this was a learning disability due to a physical limitation, I assumed that I was just not a "book" learner or I was just too lazy to read and concentrate for extended periods of time. It would have certainly made school and life a whole lot easier if I had discovered this before graduating from college.

CI is certainly not the only visual limitation that can hamper your ability in reading, writing, learning, driving, and sports. Improving visual skills can, in turn, improve athletic skills. It can also benefit you in school, at work, and while driving. This certainly makes it worthwhile -- even if your visual skills aren't seriously flawed.

There are some online tests & training that can test and, possibly, improve some aspects of vision/visual skills. However, there are drawbacks to this since it is limited to 2 dimensions for the most part. It would also be limited for testing the range of your peripheral vision and some other visual skills. A behavioral optometrist can provide a more complete series of tests to identify visual limitations or visual skills that can be improved.

It might be worthwhile to purchase a Brock string (for $5-$10). It can be used to identify and improve CI or other binocular issues. It can also be used in a variety of ways to improve visual tracking and your ability to quickly shift your focus and convergence accurately.

Have you ever mastered the Magic Eye stereograms? You need to be able to control focus and convergence independently to master these. Also check out the eccentric circles test:

http://cdn.bernell.com/images/uploads/3229_4900_popup.jpg

Escapa: another challenging test
http://members.iinet.net.au/~pontipak/redsquare.html

Thanks! I'll take a look. Any technical issues in my fh?

 

[eaglesburg]

Actually my grip is definitely a modified eastern. However I gets of topspin even more than most people with more extreme grips.

 

[YarikA99]

I just saw your match play video and your slice is not that good. Try to keep the ball low on your slice, especially if you are going to come in. Also work on your volleys some more. Your forehand for the most part is fine, but it is wristy. You need to put your shoulder more into the stroke instead of just using your wrist. You aren't gonna get a lot of power or spin if you just use your wrist. Also stay down on the forehand, don't jump up, especially if the ball is in your hitting zone.