Foreigners in College Tennis

[TennisFan2Day]

21 Louisiana State University
6 foreign players on the team
5 out of 6 starters are foreign players (83%)
Roger Anderson - Coppell, Texas
*Olivier Borsos - Budapest, Hungary
Mark Bowtell - County Wicklow, Ireland
Joe Hill - Missouri City, Texas
*Tom Knights - London, England
John Michaelis - Covington, La.
*David Roberts - Lafayette, La.
*Chris Simpson - Derby, England
*Neal Skupski - Liverpool, England
Will Suk - Raleigh, N.C.
*Stefan Szacinski - Adelaide, Australia
Will Topham - San Francisco, Calif.
James Turbervill - Bristol, U.K.
Matt Zachary - Bossier City, La.

22 University of Michigan
2 foreign players on the team
2 out of 6 starters are foreign players (33%)
*Shaun Bernstein - Plainview, N.Y.
*Eli Brown - Toronto, Ontario
Alex Buzzi - Key Biscayne, Fla.
*Barrett Franks - Christchurch, New Zealand
*Evan King - Chicago, Ill.
*Alex Petrone - Staten Island, N.Y.
Justin Rossi - Novi, Mich.
*Michael Zhu - Princeton, N.J.

23 Harvard University
2 foreign players on the team
0 out of 6 starters are foreign players (0%)
*Shaun Chaudhuri - Pleasanton, Calif.
Alistair Felton - Somerset, England
Casey MacMaster - Fort Collins, Colo.
Davis Mangham - Seattle, Wash.
Mac McAnulty - Chicago, Ill.
Andy Nguyen - Phoenix, Ariz.
*Denis Nguyen - Anaheim, Calif.
Brandon Parker - Las Vegas, Nev.
*Jonathan Pearlman - Palm Beach, Fla.
*Christo Schultz - Sudbury, Mass.
Brendan Seaver - New Canaan, Conn.
*Henry Steer -Bernardsville, N.J.
*Alex Steinroeder - Concord, Mass.
Joshua Tchan - Woodland Hills, Calif.
John Thornton - London, England

24 University of Illinois
3 foreign players on the team
3 out of 6 starters are foreign players (50%)
*Bruno Abdelnour - Aleppo, Syria
*Farris Gosea - Cardiff, Wales, UK
Ross Guignon - Prairie Village, Kan.
*Stephen Hoh - Eaglemont, Victoria, Australia
*Roy Kalmanovich - Framingham, Mass.
*Tim Kopinski - Palos Hills, Ill.
*Dennis Nevolo - Gurnee, Ill.

25 University of San Diego
5 foreign players on the team
5 out of 6 starters are foreign players (83%)
*Nikola Bubnic - Belgrade, Serbia
Andrew Carlisle - Portola Valley, CA
*Ciaran Fitzgerald - Greystones, Ireland
Emilio Mora - Mamaroneck, N.Y.
*Patrick Pohlmann - Cologne, Germany
*Victor Pugliese - Boulogne-Billancourt, France
Andrew Raphaelson - Las Vegas, NV
*Clarke Spinosa - Claremont, Calif.
Garrett Taylor - Monte Sereno, CA
*Thibaut Visy - Reims, France

26 University of Washington
2 foreign players on the team
2 out of 6 starters are foreign players (33%)
*Marton Bots - Budapest, Hungary
*Emmett Egger - Issaquah, Wash.
*Viktor Farkas - Bratislava, Slovakia
Jeff Hawke - Rolling Hills Estates, Calif.
*Nicholas Kamisar - Sammamish, Wash.
*Max Manthou - Tacoma, Wash.
*Kyle McMorrow - Thousand Oaks, Calif.
Dragos Puscalau - Newcastle, Wash.
Matt Stith - Santa Barbara, Calif.
Skyler Tateishi - Bellevue, Wash.

27 Indiana University-Bloomington
6 foreign players on the team
4 out of 6 starters are foreign players (67%)
Barnes, Alastair - Bournemouth, England
Gilmore, Stratton - Madison, Wis.
*Juneau, Isade - Repentigny, Quebec
*Kendall, Will - Short Hills, N.J.
*Langer, Jeremy - Toronto, Canada
*MacTaggart, Josh - Barnston, U.K.
Montibeller, Jose Carlos - Irapuato, Mexico
*Tasic, Dimitrije - Nis, Serbia
*Vogl, Stephen - Stamford, Conn.

28 Baylor University
7 foreign players on the team (78%)
6 out of 6 starters are foreign players (100%)
Lars Behlen - Munster, Germany
*Julian Bley - Veitshoechheim, Germany
*Diego Galeano - Asuncion, Paraguay
*Kike Grangeiro - Brazilia, Brazil
Robbie Korth - Del Ray Beach, Fla.
*Marko Krickovic - Ismaning, Germany
*Roberto Maytin - Valencia, Venezuela
Robert Verzaal - Shreveport, La.
*Mate Zsiga - Szeged, Hungary

29 University of Notre Dame
1 foreign players on the team
1 out of 6 starters are foreign players (17%)
*Greg Andrews - Richland, MI
Ryan Bandy - Cincinnati, OH
Dougie Barnard - Indianapolis, IN
Daven Brodess - Austin, TX
Matt Dooley - New Braunfels, TX
*Niall Fitzgerald - Wicklow, Ireland
Michael Fredericka -R Warren, OH
*Sam Keeton - Kansas City, MO
Wyatt McCoy - Shoreview, MN
Michael Moore - Glenview, IL
*Blas Moros - Boca Raton, FL
*Billy Pecor - Scottsdale, AZ
Spencer Talmadge - Hillsborough, CA
*Casey Watt - Gibsonia, PA

30 Florida State University
5 foreign players on the team
4 out of 6 starters are foreign players (66%)
Brian Alden - Barrington, Ill.
*Andres Bucaro - Guatemala City, Guatemala
Dominic Cotrone - Bradenton, Fla.
*Blake Davis - Austin, Texas
João Gauer - Parana, Brazil
*Cristian Gonzalez Mendez - Santiago de Compostela, Spain
*Jordan Kelly-Houston - Christchurch, New Zealand
*Benjamin Lock - Harare, Zimbabwe
Anderson Reed - Daphne, Ala.
*Jason Zafiros - Bradenton, Fla.

 

[TennisFan2Day]

31 Virginia Commonwealth University
8 foreign players on the team (89%)
6 out of 6 starters are foreign players (100%)
*Alejandro Argente - Castellon, Spain
*Antoine Baroz - Geneva, Switzerland
*Alexis Heugas - Jurancon, France
Camill Salomon - Limoges, France
Rui Silva - Portugal
Andrew James Stuart - Scottsdale, Ariz.
*Filip Svensson - Angelholm, Sweden
*Jaime Vazquez - La Coruna, Spain
*Max Wennakoski - Helsinki, Finland

32 University of Memphis
8 foreign players on the team (73%)
6 out of 6 starters are foreign players (100%)
De Zutter, Cedric - Eeklo, Belgium
Glavin, Darragh - Newbridge Town, Ireland
*Glennon, Connor - Loughborough, England
Griffin, K.C. - Millington, Tenn.
*Grimal, Johnny - Barcelona, Spain
Henry, David - Signal Mountain, Tenn.
*Nasemann, Leon - Wuppertahl, Germany
*O'Hare, David - Dublin, Ireland
*O'Leary, David - Coventry, England
*Salisbury, Joe - London, England
Shidler, Daniel - Southaven, Miss.

33 Fresno State
5 foreign players on the team (63%)
4 out of 6 starters are foreign players (66%)
*Francis Alcantara - Cagayan de Oro City,PI
*David Ayoun - Creteil, France
*Remi Boutillier - Briancon, France
*Reid deLaubenfels - Seattle, Wash.
*Jean-Charles Diame - St. Jean des Nauvrets, France
Sai Kartik Nakireddi - Vishakhapatnam, Andhra Pradesh
*Zachary Leslie - San Diego, Calif.
Jeremy Quiroz - Bakersfield, Calif.

34 Texas A&M University
3 foreign players on the team
2 out of 6 starters are foreign players (33%)
*Niall Angus - London, England
Alberto Bautista - McAllen, Texas
*Jeremy Efferding - Boca Roton, Fla.
*Colin Hoover - Victoria, Texas
*Alexis Klegou - Dunkerque, France
*John Lewis - Birmingham, Ala.
Behzad Minavi - Houston, Texas
*Junior Ore - Gaithersburg, MD
Jordan Szabo - Baywater, Victoria, Australia
Jackson Withrow - Omaha, Neb.

35 Santa Clara University
5 foreign players on the team (63%)
3 out of 6 starters are foreign players (50%)
Maxime Armengaud - Nice, France
*Kyle Dandan - Paranaque, Manila, Philippines
Kyohhei Kamono - Chiba, Japan
*John Lamble - Saratoga, Calif.
*Eugene Muchynski - San Jose, Calif.
*Ilya Osintsev - Novosibirsk, Russia
*Tom Pham - San Diego, Calif.
*Nicolas Vinel - Joinville, France

36 University of Minnesota
5 foreign players on the team
4 out of 6 starters are foreign players (66%)
*Arndt, Phillip - Lancaster, Ky.
*Bonin, Rok - Koper, Slovenia
*Dehn, Julian - Traben-Trabach, Germany
*Froment, Mathieu - Longwy, France
Frueh, Eric - Rochester, Minn.
*Hamburg, Jack - Rapid City, S.D.
Ramirez, Juan Pablo - Bogota, Colombia
Ruddock, Brendan - Ronkonkoma, N.Y.
Saxon, Tucker - Dellwood, Minn.
Sicora, Michael - Buffalo, Minn.
*Toledo, Leandro - Hamburg, Germany

37 University of Louisville
6 foreign players on the team
2 out of 6 starters are foreign players (33%)
*Andrew Carter - Summerfield, N.C.
Van Damrongsri - Ellicott City, Md.
Amaury Derognat - Peronnas, France
Adam Donaldson - New York, N.Y.
*Luis Elizondo - Weston, Fla.
Sumit-Prakash Gupta - Etwah, India
*Robert Hall - Bowling Green, Ky.
Jonathan Kuhn - Guatemala City, Guatemala
*Michael Lippens - West Long Branch, N.J.
Bradley Merchant - Lexington, Ky.
Ross Nigro - Coral Gables, Fla.
Chris Simich - Auckland, New Zealand
*Sebastian Stiefelmeyer - Vienna, Austria
*Albert Wagner - Amberg, Germany

38 Boise State University
5 foreign players on the team
5 out of 6 starters are foreign players (83%)
*Bettles, Andrew - Somerset, England
*Hume, Damian - Johannesburg, South Africa
*Meredith, James - Christchurch, New Zealand
Patton, Garrett - Boise, Idaho
*Pogostkin, Filipp - Bellevue, Wash.
Reid, Aidan - Monument, Colo.
*Sears, Scott - London, England
*Sereke, Nathan - Stockholm, Sweden
Sheldon, Erik - Phoenix, Ariz.
Walsh, Freddy - Bellevue, Wash.

39 North Carolina State
7 foreign players on the team
3 out of 6 starters are foreign players (50%)
Beck Bond - Meriden, Conn.
Akash Gujarati - Pune, India
*Dominic Hodgson - London, U.K.
*Robbie Mudge - Mooresville, N.C.
Rafael Paez - Atibaia, Brazil
*Austin Powell -Muscle Shoals, Ala.
*Jaime Pulgar - Madrid, Spain
Will Rollinson - Raleigh, N.C.
Ivan Sanchez Gomez - Madrid, Spain
*Julian Sullivan - Philadelphia, Pa.
*Dave Thomson - Hatfield, Hertfordshire, U.K.
Matt Thomson - Hatfield, Hertfordshire, U.K.
Sean Weber - Raleigh, N.C.

40 Vanderbilt University
0 foreign players on the team (0%)
0 out of 6 starters are foreign players (0%)
*Gonzales Austin - Miami, Fla.
*Blake Bazarnik - Kildeer, Ill.
*Alex DiValerio - Malvern, Pa.
Joe Dorn - Washington, D.C.
Suresh Eswaran - Sacramento, Calif.
*Charlie Jones - Destrehan, La.
*Anton Kovrigin - Rockville, Md.
Ryan Lipman - Nashville, Tenn.
*Jeff Offerdahl - Austin, Texas
Michael Retta - Annadale, Va.

 

[andfor]

Another nice sample. Thanks. The real travesty is Vandy. They have so many good Americans how does anyone expect to compete with that?

 

[tennis5]

31 Virginia Commonwealth University
8 foreign players on the team (89%)
6 out of 6 starters are foreign players (100%)
*Alejandro Argente - Castellon, Spain
*Antoine Baroz - Geneva, Switzerland
*Alexis Heugas - Jurancon, France
Camill Salomon - Limoges, France
Rui Silva - Portugal
Andrew James Stuart - Scottsdale, Ariz.
*Filip Svensson - Angelholm, Sweden
*Jaime Vazquez - La Coruna, Spain
*Max Wennakoski - Helsinki, Finland

32 University of Memphis
8 foreign players on the team (73%)
6 out of 6 starters are foreign players (100%)
De Zutter, Cedric - Eeklo, Belgium
Glavin, Darragh - Newbridge Town, Ireland
*Glennon, Connor - Loughborough, England
Griffin, K.C. - Millington, Tenn.
*Grimal, Johnny - Barcelona, Spain
Henry, David - Signal Mountain, Tenn.
*Nasemann, Leon - Wuppertahl, Germany
*O'Hare, David - Dublin, Ireland
*O'Leary, David - Coventry, England
*Salisbury, Joe - London, England
Shidler, Daniel - Southaven, Miss.

33 Fresno State
5 foreign players on the team (63%)
4 out of 6 starters are foreign players (66%)
*Francis Alcantara - Cagayan de Oro City,PI
*David Ayoun - Creteil, France
*Remi Boutillier - Briancon, France
*Reid deLaubenfels - Seattle, Wash.
*Jean-Charles Diame - St. Jean des Nauvrets, France
Sai Kartik Nakireddi - Vishakhapatnam, Andhra Pradesh
*Zachary Leslie - San Diego, Calif.
Jeremy Quiroz - Bakersfield, Calif.

34 Texas A&M University
3 foreign players on the team
2 out of 6 starters are foreign players (33%)
*Niall Angus - London, England
Alberto Bautista - McAllen, Texas
*Jeremy Efferding - Boca Roton, Fla.
*Colin Hoover - Victoria, Texas
*Alexis Klegou - Dunkerque, France
*John Lewis - Birmingham, Ala.
Behzad Minavi - Houston, Texas
*Junior Ore - Gaithersburg, MD
Jordan Szabo - Baywater, Victoria, Australia
Jackson Withrow - Omaha, Neb.

35 Santa Clara University
5 foreign players on the team (63%)
3 out of 6 starters are foreign players (50%)
Maxime Armengaud - Nice, France
*Kyle Dandan - Paranaque, Manila, Philippines
Kyohhei Kamono - Chiba, Japan
*John Lamble - Saratoga, Calif.
*Eugene Muchynski - San Jose, Calif.
*Ilya Osintsev - Novosibirsk, Russia
*Tom Pham - San Diego, Calif.
*Nicolas Vinel - Joinville, France

36 University of Minnesota
5 foreign players on the team
4 out of 6 starters are foreign players (66%)
*Arndt, Phillip - Lancaster, Ky.
*Bonin, Rok - Koper, Slovenia
*Dehn, Julian - Traben-Trabach, Germany
*Froment, Mathieu - Longwy, France
Frueh, Eric - Rochester, Minn.
*Hamburg, Jack - Rapid City, S.D.
Ramirez, Juan Pablo - Bogota, Colombia
Ruddock, Brendan - Ronkonkoma, N.Y.
Saxon, Tucker - Dellwood, Minn.
Sicora, Michael - Buffalo, Minn.
*Toledo, Leandro - Hamburg, Germany

37 University of Louisville
6 foreign players on the team
2 out of 6 starters are foreign players (33%)
*Andrew Carter - Summerfield, N.C.
Van Damrongsri - Ellicott City, Md.
Amaury Derognat - Peronnas, France
Adam Donaldson - New York, N.Y.
*Luis Elizondo - Weston, Fla.
Sumit-Prakash Gupta - Etwah, India
*Robert Hall - Bowling Green, Ky.
Jonathan Kuhn - Guatemala City, Guatemala
*Michael Lippens - West Long Branch, N.J.
Bradley Merchant - Lexington, Ky.
Ross Nigro - Coral Gables, Fla.
Chris Simich - Auckland, New Zealand
*Sebastian Stiefelmeyer - Vienna, Austria
*Albert Wagner - Amberg, Germany

38 Boise State University
5 foreign players on the team
5 out of 6 starters are foreign players (83%)
*Bettles, Andrew - Somerset, England
*Hume, Damian - Johannesburg, South Africa
*Meredith, James - Christchurch, New Zealand
Patton, Garrett - Boise, Idaho
*Pogostkin, Filipp - Bellevue, Wash.
Reid, Aidan - Monument, Colo.
*Sears, Scott - London, England
*Sereke, Nathan - Stockholm, Sweden
Sheldon, Erik - Phoenix, Ariz.
Walsh, Freddy - Bellevue, Wash.

39 North Carolina State
7 foreign players on the team
3 out of 6 starters are foreign players (50%)
Beck Bond - Meriden, Conn.
Akash Gujarati - Pune, India
*Dominic Hodgson - London, U.K.
*Robbie Mudge - Mooresville, N.C.
Rafael Paez - Atibaia, Brazil
*Austin Powell -Muscle Shoals, Ala.
*Jaime Pulgar - Madrid, Spain
Will Rollinson - Raleigh, N.C.
Ivan Sanchez Gomez - Madrid, Spain
*Julian Sullivan - Philadelphia, Pa.
*Dave Thomson - Hatfield, Hertfordshire, U.K.
Matt Thomson - Hatfield, Hertfordshire, U.K.
Sean Weber - Raleigh, N.C.

40 Vanderbilt University
0 foreign players on the team (0%)
0 out of 6 starters are foreign players (0%)
*Gonzales Austin - Miami, Fla.
*Blake Bazarnik - Kildeer, Ill.
*Alex DiValerio - Malvern, Pa.
Joe Dorn - Washington, D.C.
Suresh Eswaran - Sacramento, Calif.
*Charlie Jones - Destrehan, La.
*Anton Kovrigin - Rockville, Md.
Ryan Lipman - Nashville, Tenn.
*Jeff Offerdahl - Austin, Texas
Michael Retta - Annadale, Va.

TennisFan2Day,

Thanks for posting such a comprehensive survey.
Hope it is ok, I will be copying and sending out via email.
Many folks would like to see this data, but don't read Talk Tennis.

 

[hound 109]

These are conference champs and although it's a nice sampling it's by no means representative of the percentages across the college tennis board. These numbers will be scewed to favor the internationals because the majority of the conference champs are from non-BCS conferences. These schools tend to favor attracting internationals and traditionally have a hard time pulling in American players.

Since we are taking samplings let's look at Alcorn St. They are a HBCU. Their tennis team has no Americans. Clearly not making up typical enrollment percentages of HBCU's. I'd like to see what the rest of the rosters look like in the SWAC but I'm not going to waste that time as I have a good idea. But heck Alcorn St. made the NCAA with an all foreign roster. The MEAC and South Carolina St. is no different. Who would and where would these American tennis player be that so badly want to play DI tennis at these schools that are getting shut out due to internationals?

Any of you pro international roster limiting proponent parents up for offering your BlueChip, 5 star or even 4 star kid up to play tennis at a SWAC or MEAC school? That's what I thought.

Are you saying that black american tennis players don't want to attend black colleges?

Are you saying that there are no black 4 star or 5 star kids?

Are you saying that there's been a black college who has recruited an american who isn't black (& the non-black american refused the scholarship?)?

What are you saying?

.

 

[hound 109]

Good one!

I don't think there are any Blue Chip, 5 star, or even top-half-4-star parents complaining about there not being good spots available because of foreigners. (Of course, if there is an exception, we know that this is defined as the being the norm by some)

I think this is a low-4-star, 3-star, 2-star parent issue....for the parents who are posting up about it from self-interest

Of course low 4 star & 3 star kids should be "interested" in this topic. With 200+ colleges, all 3 star kids would get scholarships if 50-60% weren't being offered to non american kids (many who are 1-2 years older).

& I know over a dozen parents of 5 star & "top half" 4 star kids who think current "status quo" is nuts. The fact that over 50% of all scholarships are going to non-americans (who are 1-2 years older) is a joke to virtually all parents of juniors that i know. & the schools that have chosen to have 70% of their teams non-american are jokes as well.

 

[Clemson_tennis]

Are you saying that black american tennis players don't want to attend black colleges?

Are you saying that there are no black 4 star or 5 star kids?

Are you saying that there's been a black college who has recruited an american who isn't black (& the non-black american refused the scholarship?)?

What are you saying?

.

a black 4 or 5 start is likely to go to a better destination than Alcorn State.

 

[SoCal10s]

40 Vanderbilt University
0 foreign players on the team (0%)
0 out of 6 starters are foreign players (0%)
*Gonzales Austin - Miami, Fla.
*Blake Bazarnik - Kildeer, Ill.
*Alex DiValerio - Malvern, Pa.
Joe Dorn - Washington, D.C.
Suresh Eswaran - Sacramento, Calif.
*Charlie Jones - Destrehan, La.
*Anton Kovrigin - Rockville, Md.
Ryan Lipman - Nashville, Tenn.
*Jeff Offerdahl - Austin, Texas
Michael Retta - Annadale, Va.

23 Harvard University
2 foreign players on the team
0 out of 6 starters are foreign players (0%)
*Shaun Chaudhuri - Pleasanton, Calif.
Alistair Felton - Somerset, England
Casey MacMaster - Fort Collins, Colo.
Davis Mangham - Seattle, Wash.
Mac McAnulty - Chicago, Ill.
Andy Nguyen - Phoenix, Ariz.
*Denis Nguyen - Anaheim, Calif.
Brandon Parker - Las Vegas, Nev.
*Jonathan Pearlman - Palm Beach, Fla.
*Christo Schultz - Sudbury, Mass.
Brendan Seaver - New Canaan, Conn.
*Henry Steer -Bernardsville, N.J.
*Alex Steinroeder - Concord, Mass.
Joshua Tchan - Woodland Hills, Calif.
John Thornton - London, England

my hat's off for these 2 team... Vandy with all Americans players and Harvard with all 6 starters of American players,not only super at tennis,but academics too ....

 

[floridatennisdude]

Harvards singles starters all all US born, but their #1 doubles team had Alistar Felton from England yesterday. He is a beast.

 

[Misterbill]

I've got no problem with the current system of recruiting tennis players according to perceived ability to help the team, regardless of nationality.

But so many others here do! Even doing copious research on Mothers' Day! It seems the two sides on the board will never find common ground.

What about some other kind of limitation then, to give little Johnny and Janie a better chance? I've got it. Wealth.

Why should tennis scholarships go to the rich or well-off? They need them less than kids of working stiffs. Just because the rich kids' parents were able to pay for fancy lessons and academies and faraway tournaments doesn't make rich kids more worthy of a free education than working class kids. Rich kids have the same control over being rich as they do about their nationality, so I expect this would go over pretty well here.

We can debate whether the limit should be $100,000 annual income and $500,000 in assets, or $250k/$1 million. For sure, any kid that goes to private secondary school would automatically be excluded. No scholy for you!

This standard could apply internationally, so the new criterion for recruiting tennis players would no longer be ability, and it would not be nationality....it would be wealth. If anyone wants to do a self-interest poll, I'm guessing this one gets 99% in favor.

Or since we would be doing away with ability as the measuring stick, we could set limitations by height. Why should the tall kids get roster spots while the short kids work just as hard. Or weight............heck just look at wrestling, they have weight classes!!!!

I think there are lots of alternative standards, besides nationality, for those who propose that college tennis rosters should be based on criteria other than ability.

 

[floridatennisdude]

Or we could not let people over 6'2" play college tennis. They are just too tall and it's not fair to those that are shorter...

 

[andfor]

23 Harvard University
2 foreign players on the team
0 out of 6 starters are foreign players (0%)
*Shaun Chaudhuri - Pleasanton, Calif.
Alistair Felton - Somerset, England
Casey MacMaster - Fort Collins, Colo.
Davis Mangham - Seattle, Wash.
Mac McAnulty - Chicago, Ill.
Andy Nguyen - Phoenix, Ariz.
*Denis Nguyen - Anaheim, Calif.
Brandon Parker - Las Vegas, Nev.
*Jonathan Pearlman - Palm Beach, Fla.
*Christo Schultz - Sudbury, Mass.
Brendan Seaver - New Canaan, Conn.
*Henry Steer -Bernardsville, N.J.
*Alex Steinroeder - Concord, Mass.
Joshua Tchan - Woodland Hills, Calif.
John Thornton - London, England

my hat's off for these 2 team... Vandy with all Americans players and Harvard with all 6 starters of American players,not only super at tennis,but academics too ....

That's just great. And when these two teams along with Stanford, Notre Dame and a few others get all the 5 star and Blue Chips every year how are the other schools supposed to compete? Oh well, too bad they can just suck and we can go back to the good ole days when Standford, UCLA, USC and Georgia won the NCAA every year.

Are you saying that black american tennis players don't want to attend black colleges?

Are you saying that there are no black 4 star or 5 star kids?

Are you saying that there's been a black college who has recruited an american who isn't black (& the non-black american refused the scholarship?)?

What are you saying?

.

Draw your own conclusions why DI HBCU's have few if any American's let alone Black Americans. Of course their are black 4 and 5 star kids. Are you being sarcasitic? I hope so,

a black 4 or 5 start is likely to go to a better destination than Alcorn State.

I'm sure Hound knows this, he's just afraid of the obvious.

 

[floridatennisdude]

Draw your own conclusions why DI HBCU's have few if any American's let alone Black Americans. Of course their are black 4 and 5 star kids. Are you being sarcasitic? I hope so.

yea, why didn't Jarmere Jenkins go to an HBCU?

 

[Alohajrtennis]

Or we could not let people over 6'2" play college tennis. They are just too tall and it's not fair to those that are shorter...

Oh heck, you are right. I have seen the light. After all, the point of college tennis is to have the most competitive environment possible in order to create the best possible American players, so I recommend these changes.

1. Eliminate the requirement that the kids have to attend classes. It really interferes with their tennis.
2. Eliminate the restriction against professional players - this way the few American blue chips who do get in will have really good competition.
3. Eliminate any age restrictions, this way the few American blue chips who do get in will have to face really experienced competition and this will make them better players.
4. Give them prize money for winning matches, and allow them to take money from sponsors, this way they won't have to have part time jobs, which would interfere with their practice.
5. Eliminate women's tennis becuase they are not as good as the men anyhow.
6. Now that i think about it, might as well eliminate division II while we are at it, because the only thing that matters is winning NCAA I Mens. We can keep DIV III though becuase they don't get scholarships and nobody cares about them anyhow.
7. Have them travel all over the world to hold there matches becuase diversity and meeting foreign people is important.
8. Only blue ships and five stars should get scholarships, becuase if you are not a five star or blue chip by seventeen, you are never going to be the next Pete Sampras, so you don't belong in college tennis anyhow.


I think it is a shame this thread got moved from junior tennis to college tennis, becuase as soon as it gets into college tennis, it seems everyone thinks the discussions is about the top BCS Men's programs which probably account for only 5% of the total tennis scholarships.

 

[Alohajrtennis]

That's just great. And when these two teams along with Stanford, Notre Dame and a few others get all the 5 star and Blue Chips every year how are the other schools supposed to compete?

Within the rules. Find out what hey are doing wrong that they can't recruit a a blue star or five star per year. If the current coach can't figure it out, get one who can. Step one would be trying. It is obvious that some Universities are not even bothering to try. They have a coach or assistance coach with a pipeline to players from their home country. Recruiting them is the path of least resistance. If all coaches were trying an just picking the best talent available and equally adept at recruiting, than foreigners would be more equally distributed, instead they are clustered. These coaches are not Nick Sabin. They are not going to get hung from a tree if they don't win the NCAA's. Mens and Women's coaches combined, in NCAA Div I and Div II, I think less than 10% are in the win year in year our or get fired scenario. Most of them in Division II, if you spoke to them or the AD about the issue I think the first response you would get is "Thank for taking an interest, I didn't know anybody was paying attention."

 

[Alohajrtennis]

TennisFan2Day,

Thanks for posting such a comprehensive survey.
Hope it is ok, I will be copying and sending out via email.
Many folks would like to see this data, but don't read Talk Tennis.

Thanks Tennis5.

My feedback though.

1. To do an accurate survey, I don't think all the data is readily publicly available. First, you can't tell (definitively, although you can guess) who is on scholarship and who is walk on.
2. There are approximately three times more women's scholarships then there are men's scholarships, and almost as many Div II scholarships then there are DIV I scholarships. Div II women's undoubtedly has the highest percentage of internationals.

I think when you started this in the Junior tennis forum you didnt mean it to be limited to top DIV I mens programs. Certnl the original news article you posted was not.

 

[floridatennisdude]

Oh heck, you are right. I have seen the light. After all, the point of college tennis is to have the most competitive environment possible in order to create the best possible American players, so I recommend these changes.

1. Eliminate the requirement that the kids have to attend classes. It really interferes with their tennis.
2. Eliminate the restriction against professional players - this way the few American blue chips who do get in will have really good competition.
3. Eliminate any age restrictions, this way the few American blue chips who do get in will have to face really experienced competition and this will make them better players.
4. Give them prize money for winning matches, and allow them to take money from sponsors, this way they won't have to have part time jobs, which would interfere with their practice.
5. Eliminate women's tennis becuase they are not as good as the men anyhow.
6. Now that i think about it, might as well eliminate division II while we are at it, because the only thing that matters is winning NCAA I Mens. We can keep DIV III though becuase they don't get scholarships and nobody cares about them anyhow.
7. Have them travel all over the world to hold there matches becuase diversity and meeting foreign people is important.
8. Only blue ships and five stars should get scholarships, becuase if you are not a five star or blue chip by seventeen, you are never going to be the next Pete Sampras, so you don't belong in college tennis anyhow.


I think it is a shame this thread got moved from junior tennis to college tennis, becuase as soon as it gets into college tennis, it seems everyone thinks the discussions is about the top BCS Men's programs which probably account for only 5% of the total tennis scholarships.

And they shouldn't let left handed people play college tennis either. Ther is too much advantage for them to be able to put a different spin on the ball. It really Isnt fair that they can practice against so many right handlers, but right handlers can't practice as much against lefties.

 

[Alohajrtennis]

And they shouldn't let left handed people play college tennis either. Ther is too much advantage for them to be able to put a different spin on the ball. It really Isnt fair that they can practice against so many right handlers, but right handlers can't practice as much against lefties.

or people from Florida, with all that nice weather they have too much time to practice.

 

[floridatennisdude]

or people from Florida, with all that nice weather they have too much time to practice.

Yea, totally unfair

 

[andfor]

Within the rules. Find out what hey are doing wrong that they can't recruit a a blue star or five star per year. If the current coach can't figure it out, get one who can. Step one would be trying. It is obvious that some Universities are not even bothering to try. They have a coach or assistance coach with a pipeline to players from their home country. Recruiting them is the path of least resistance. If all coaches were trying an just picking the best talent available and equally adept at recruiting, than foreigners would be more equally distributed, instead they are clustered. These coaches are not Nick Sabin. They are not going to get hung from a tree if they don't win the NCAA's. Mens and Women's coaches combined, in NCAA Div I and Div II, I think less than 10% are in the win year in year our or get fired scenario. Most of them in Division II, if you spoke to them or the AD about the issue I think the first response you would get is "Thank for taking an interest, I didn't know anybody was paying attention."

Yea I hear you. Rules aside, the University of Nebraska Omaha and Creighton are on a completely level playing field when competing against the likes of Cal Santa Barbara and Pepperdine.

Also, I'm for raising the bar in college tennis that include internationals. Americans who really want to play college tennis can find scholarship opportunities if they are open minded to investigating multiple options for possible schools. I'm not for dumbing down the game to bring it to the level of today's American players. If you're not good enough for BCS D1 tennis, look for a school where you are a fit. If you're not good enough for mid-major D1 look for low D1, if you're not good enough for D1 look at DII or NAIA options. DIII, although no scholarships are offered finds a wide range of play from very low level to very high. There's also Junior Colleges looking for local talent. Remember, new JUCO rules for 2012 is no more than 2 internationals per team. For those that want only American's on their college teams you can play JUCO in Missisippi and see how rewarding that experience is now without the internationals.

 

[chalkflewup]

Yea, totally unfair

Living in Florida could also be viewed as a detriment. Too much play means too much wear and tear on the body

 

[floridatennisdude]

Living in Florida could also be viewed as a detriment. Too much play means too much wear and tear on the body

Ok, then...only players from Florida can play college tennis. The rest have to take their healthy bodies straight to the tour.

 

[Misterbill]

This recruiting process is just like a job interview. College coaches receive thousands of resumes from student athletes from all over the world. The college coaches are going to hire who they feel is the best candidate for the job. Often, the international athletes out- interview the American athletes by reaching out to coaches and players with more anticipation and by building better relationships with them.

As far as speaking English is concerned, the international athletes all have to take the SAT and TOEFL. This means that English is set at a certain standard for all students. They also tend to do very well academically once they are at American universities. Being American or international does not benefit the student/athletes, how they interview will be the deciding factor whether they are chosen or not versus another athlete with similar abilities.

Those aren't my words. That's Ross Greenstein of Scholarships for Athletes speaking. You can find the entire interview at the link posted by tennisconsultcom in the Junior forum, "How to get a scholarship" thread.

http://www.tennisconsult.com/choosing-college-tennis-player/

Silly Ross Greenstein. If he had read some of the posts (by others) in these threads, he would have learned that coaches select foreign players by soliciting bribes........and get them by offering 4-year scholarships!

 

[gully]

^^
Mr. G runs a good business and my family has benefited from his often freely-given, generous expertise. However, I do think it's worth asking "who benefits from" this business model of the "three-year interview."

One answer to that question is companies like SFA. The longer, the more complex, and the more international the process is, the greater the likelihood is that his services will be needed. So they help perpetuate the notion that recruiting "must be" like a three-year job search, in fact leading every interview they post on TRN with a version of that question.

BTW, that link to the article on the similar operation run in the UK by Sarah Borwell is good reading. American players and their parents should know that they are competing for scholarships with players -- and, essentially, their agents -- across the world.

Whether or not that's a good thing.

 

[klu375]

This recruiting process is just like a job interview. College coaches receive thousands of resumes from student athletes from all over the world. The college coaches are going to hire who they feel is the best candidate for the job. Often, the international athletes out- interview the American athletes by reaching out to coaches and players with more anticipation and by building better relationships with them.

As far as speaking English is concerned, the international athletes all have to take the SAT and TOEFL. This means that English is set at a certain standard for all students. They also tend to do very well academically once they are at American universities. Being American or international does not benefit the student/athletes, how they interview will be the deciding factor whether they are chosen or not versus another athlete with similar abilities.

Those aren't my words. That's Ross Greenstein of Scholarships for Athletes speaking. You can find the entire interview at the link posted by tennisconsultcom in the Junior forum, "How to get a scholarship" thread.

http://www.tennisconsult.com/choosing-college-tennis-player/

Silly Ross Greenstein. If he had read some of the posts (by others) in these threads, he would have learned that coaches select foreign players by soliciting bribes........and get them by offering 4-year scholarships!

Dear Misterbill,
Tennis recruiting process is not like a job interview. As you probably know US job market is protected to a large extent. When you go for a job interview here you are mostly not competing with the whole world. Because if they had to the majority of US Citizen would lose because they are too old, too young, do not have enough skills, wrong gender, too lazy, etc. I do not know what you do for a living but I am sure they can easily find somebody among 6 Billion people who can do your job better for less pay and this person will not even post on TT during working hours. So I do not see it as normal that our US kids have to compete with the whole world for the right to play tennis in US college. Tennis after all is just an EC. And I do not see it as normal that parents have to yank their kids from the regular school and make them train twice a day so that they could play tennis in college. And this is where things are going. You can have couple of conferences that will be breeding grounds for future pros and they can benefit from the top foreign competition but the rest of college tennis should be for regular kids who value education and not looking to become tennis pros.

 

[Misterbill]

Dear Misterbill,
Tennis recruiting process is not like a job interview. As you probably know US job market is protected to a large extent. When you go for a job interview here you are mostly not competing with the whole world. Because if they had to the majority of US Citizen would lose because they are too old, too young, do not have enough skills, wrong gender, too lazy, etc. I do not know what you do for a living but I am sure they can easily find somebody among 6 Billion people who can do your job better for less pay and this person will not even post on TT during working hours. So I do not see it as normal that our US kids have to compete with the whole world for the right to play tennis in US college. Tennis after all is just an EC. And I do not see it as normal that parents have to yank their kids from the regular school and make them train twice a day so that they could play tennis in college. And this is where things are going. You can have couple of conferences that will be breeding grounds for future pros and they can benefit from the top foreign competition but the rest of college tennis should be for regular kids who value education and not looking to become tennis pros.

Ha ha.

Klu, talk to Ross Greenstein, not me. Those are his words. Brought to us by our fellow poster tennisconsultcom. Maybe you can talk to tennisconsultcom too

What do I do for a living? I'm unemployed. Got laid off from my job putting those little stickers on apples and pears. Great gig while it lasted!

But thanks for the info

 

[klu375]

Ha ha.

Klu, talk to Ross Greenstein, not me. Those are his words. Brought to us by our fellow poster tennisconsultcom. Maybe you can talk to tennisconsultcom too

What do I do for a living? I'm unemployed. Got laid off from my job putting those little stickers on apples and pears. Great gig while it lasted!

But thanks for the info

I think you repeatedly supported the idea that pure meritocracy and open competition was a great thing. No point to talk to Ross - he is probably OK with the status quo. If not he will let us know during his next TR.NET interview.
I suspect your job got outsourced - pears are now arriving with the stickers attached.

 

[Misterbill]

I think you repeatedly supported the idea that pure meritocracy and open competition was a great thing.
CORRECT!
I suspect your job got outsourced - pears are now arriving with the stickers attached.
NO TEARS.

See bold inserts above

 

[floridatennisdude]

Dear Misterbill,
Tennis recruiting process is not like a job interview. As you probably know US job market is protected to a large extent. When you go for a job interview here you are mostly not competing with the whole world. Because if they had to the majority of US Citizen would lose because they are too old, too young, do not have enough skills, wrong gender, too lazy, etc. I do not know what you do for a living but I am sure they can easily find somebody among 6 Billion people who can do your job better for less pay and this person will not even post on TT during working hours. So I do not see it as normal that our US kids have to compete with the whole world for the right to play tennis in US college. Tennis after all is just an EC. And I do not see it as normal that parents have to yank their kids from the regular school and make them train twice a day so that they could play tennis in college. And this is where things are going. You can have couple of conferences that will be breeding grounds for future pros and they can benefit from the top foreign competition but the rest of college tennis should be for regular kids who value education and not looking to become tennis pros.

Have you been in a hospital lately? Not too many US born doctors anymore. Foreigners might not be traveling to the US to interview for entry level sales jobs that pay no relocation, but they certainly are for expert skill jobs and high level executive positions. Head hunters, like coaches, will find the best people in the world for those roles.

 

[andfor]

Have you been in a hospital lately? Not too many US born doctors anymore. Foreigners might not be traveling to the US to interview for entry level sales jobs that pay no relocation, but they certainly are for expert skill jobs and high level executive positions. Head hunters, like coaches, will find the best people in the world for those roles.

You've just scratched the surface on problems that are far more serious to this country. Employment, trade deficits, foreign purchase of U.S. debt, terrorism, bailouts etc. take up far more attention then the very small percentage of athletes that happen to play college tennis.

 

[10ismom]

Have you been in a hospital lately? Not too many US born doctors anymore. Foreigners might not be traveling to the US to interview for entry level sales jobs that pay no relocation, but they certainly are for expert skill jobs and high level executive positions. Head hunters, like coaches, will find the best people in the world for those roles.

Part of the reasons for that is higher education costs a lot more in the US compared to many countries.
You could find more MD, engineering degrees per capita in many other countries. They are willing to work for US companies from their home countries or willing to come work in the US .
Many US citizens wanting to be a doctor or a vet have to go get their affordable degrees elsewhere. I have seen some from the caribbean schools, Canada, etc.

If things are not changing, think about it....high paying jobs are for non-US citizens. Lower paying jobs for US born ?

 

[floridatennisdude]

Part of the reasons for that is higher education costs a lot more in the US compared to many countries.
You could find more MD, engineering degrees per capita in many other countries. They are willing to work for US companies from their home countries or willing to come work in the US .
Many US citizens wanting to be a doctor or a vet have to go get their affordable degrees elsewhere. I have seen some from the caribbean schools, Canada, etc.

If things are not changing, think about it....high paying jobs are for non-US citizens. Lower paying jobs for US born ?

Yes, 10ismom, as andfor stated...we are just scratching the surface of the political problems in the US. Tennis isn't the only thing that we aren't as good at anymore.

 

[Gatorluver]

This argument about foreign players gets old. However, I do know if your American kid wants to play tennis at a top US
college, you better yank them out of middle school and sign them up for a full time tennis academy ASAP. It's the only way they will be competitive with the 20 year old foreign kids our top US coaches favor.

 

[lstewart]

One issue I've noticed in men's tennis related to this topic is the number of schools that no longer have a men's program. I played NAIA tennis in the late 1970's for a good program. We had a couple of South American players, but got alot of out talent from Texas. At that point just about every school fielded men's tennis, and I played many, many, many foreign players. Now most of those schools no longer offer men's tennis, including the school I played for. I think it was due to budget cuts with the increasing expenses of fielding all the required women's sports, and offsetting all the money spent on football. Now i have a ranked 16 year old son, and he is interested in playing in college. Of course there are still many international players, but also many fewer schools offering programs for him to consider. My older son was a college golfer, and he had many more programs to consider. I assume this may be the case across the US, with many smaller public colleges no longer offering men's tennis.

 

[gully]

One issue I've noticed in men's tennis related to this topic is the number of schools that no longer have a men's program. .... I assume this may be the case across the US, with many smaller public colleges no longer offering men's tennis.

I have some NCAA statistics on men's tennis participation from three data points: 1981-82, 2004-05, and 2009-10 (most recent available).

Men's Tennis, 1981-82: 690 teams overall (267 D1); 7,340 participants (2,884 D1)
Men's Tennis, 2004-05: 742 teams overall (265 D1); 7,386 participants (2,613 D1)
Men’s Tennis, 2009-10: 738 teams overall (258 D1); 7,894 participants (2,644 D1)

I don't know if men's tennis participation in NAIA has been similar or not, but in NCAA's three divisions, it has remained pretty static, with the number of teams and participants both increasing.

 

[gully]

Sorry, I can't find NAIA participation statistics. As far as the NCAA goes, there are as many teams and positions available in tennis as there were three decades ago. That may or may not be true of the NAIA. I'd love to see the numbers if anyone can dig them up. (I'm an old NAIA guy from 81-82 myself!)

 

[tennis5]

You've just scratched the surface on problems that are far more serious to this country. Employment, trade deficits, foreign purchase of U.S. debt, terrorism, bailouts etc. take up far more attention then the very small percentage of athletes that happen to play college tennis.

Nafta.... But, then again this is a tennis site.

 

[gameboy]

So I do not see it as normal that our US kids have to compete with the whole world for the right to play tennis in US college.

Over 2.5 million H-1B visas handed out over the last decade says you are are wrong.

The only reason there aren't more is because it is expensive to get those foreign workers relocated. Which is also the reason why foreign outsourcing is so popular.

Don't think you are not competing against those workers in China and engineers in Germany. Because you are.

 

[floridatennisdude]

I have some NCAA statistics on men's tennis participation from three data points: 1981-82, 2004-05, and 2009-10 (most recent available).

Men's Tennis, 1981-82: 690 teams overall (267 D1); 7,340 participants (2,884 D1)
Men's Tennis, 2004-05: 742 teams overall (265 D1); 7,386 participants (2,613 D1)
Men’s Tennis, 2009-10: 738 teams overall (258 D1); 7,894 participants (2,644 D1)

I don't know if men's tennis participation in NAIA has been similar or not, but in NCAA's three divisions, it has remained pretty static, with the number of teams and participants both increasing.

US Population 1980: 227,224,681
US Population 2010: 308,745,538

I think there are more people fighting for those spots now than there was in 1980. That point I concede to the anti-foreigner movement.

 

[Delano]

US Population 1980: 227,224,681
US Population 2010: 308,745,538

I think there are more people fighting for those spots now than there was in 1980. That point I concede to the anti-foreigner movement.

I think the problem isn't so much that demand for college scholarships has grown as it is that the supply hasn't kept pace. A huge number of international students are now interested in college scholarships that simply aren't available internationally. So there's only one place to go - the US. Unless the US vastly expands the number of college tennis scholarships, or universities overseas start offering tennis scholarships in large numbers, some Americans who would have had a scholarship in the past will no longer have that opportunity. I'm all for efforts to raise the level of tennis in the US, but I can't see how even a very successful effort would have more than a minor effect on these numbers.

 

[floridatennisdude]

I think the problem isn't so much that demand for college scholarships has grown as it is that the supply hasn't kept pace. A huge number of international students are now interested in college scholarships that simply aren't available internationally. So there's only one place to go - the US. Unless the US vastly expands the number of college tennis scholarships, or universities overseas start offering tennis scholarships in large numbers, some Americans who would have had a scholarship in the past will no longer have that opportunity. I'm all for efforts to raise the level of tennis in the US, but I can't see how even a very successful effort would have more than a minor effect on these numbers.

So, it's not that the demand has grown...just that more internationals are now seeking them? Wtf?

 

[doubleshack]

It's not just tennis....I know a kid who was born and raised in the US. In his first semester at college, he got some poor grades and was not allowed to come back second semester. Yet, this kid from another country who got good grades was allowed to come back, and is now taking a spot that could have been filled by an American. When will the madness end...

 

[tennismom42]

Analogy: Stocked Fishing Pond

Here's an analogy:

Sometimes I liked to go fishing in a place that has two stocked fishing ponds. Both ponds are equal size and quality. The owner doesn't care what I catch, so long as I put it on the scale and pay for it. In other words, I pay the same $$$$ amount for every pound of fish meat I catch.

One pond is stocked with the big fish -- these are considered "trophy fish."
The other pond is stocked with regular, legal-sized fish and they are a about 50% the size of the trophy fish. (Comparison: International recruits = trophy, while USA = regular)

(Int'l recruits):
Initially, I wanted to catch big trophy fish. I had my picture taken with it & I verbally bragged about it. It made a good story. But it was costly and I was back in the car quickly.

(USA recruits):
Then I started fishing in the regular-fish pond. Now I could catch twice as many fish, the string of fish makes a nice picture too, and Wow, do they ever put up a big fight! I fish more often, longer and I bring friends.

Hmmmm....Now think tennis recruiting

I just think that if you stock the pond with big fish, you're going to get a big fish (in the round of 16). I think the coaches need to stop ogling for the international recruits that the CANNOT even watch play in person, before recruiting.


Also, it's USA tennis in the USA. Keep in mind that International parents, family and friends are less likely to travel to the USA to watch and support their child's college tennis matches. Whereas, family and friends of USA recruits are more apt and able to attend, support and cheer for USA.

 

[tball2day]

.......................

 

[floridatennisdude]

Also, it's USA tennis in the USA. Keep in mind that International parents, family and friends are less likely to travel to the USA to watch and support their child's college tennis matches. Whereas, family and friends of USA recruits are more apt and able to attend, support and cheer for USA.

Some call it "support and cheer". Others refer to it as "whining to the coaches". US Parents not being at practice, matches, road trips, etc is more likely a reason to recruit internationally where the coach is less likely to have to listen to the nonsense.

 

[Misterbill]

Some call it "support and cheer". Others refer to it as "whining to the coaches". US Parents not being at practice, matches, road trips, etc is more likely a reason to recruit internationally where the coach is less likely to have to listen to the nonsense.

Amen.

I think I posted it before. Two equal players, one with "one of those parents" from the area, and the other from far away.............far away player gets chosen every time.

Interesting observation a couple of posts ago that training in college to go to the pros = no support after graduation for the school. Wonder how that conclusion was arrived at.

Anyway, my small slice of experience tells me that the few colleges I am familiar with are very happy when their athletes turn pro...........even if they get zero cash donations from any particular pro later.

 

[Misterbill]

The one thing I noticed about the article on the recruiting firm in Scotland titled, "Welcome to the and of the Free"...it is clearly stated in the article that the U.S. is great place to come and get a free education and free training that can take you to the pros. That is the marketing pitch of the placement firm, no hiding that. Meaning most players that come here to play have no intention of contributing anything back to the to the school, state, country, etc., when they are done. Take what they can get and get out. No wonder there is a mad rush to get here.

OK. Let's adopt, for the sake of argument, your criterion for granting tennis scholarships: the "intention of contributing anything back to the to the school, state, country, etc., when they are done."

Woo-hoo for the rich. They pay more taxes and have more disposable income for donations to their alma maters. This criterion will help the 1%.

Any of you with kids recently graduated from college, in college, or about to go to college.............try asking them what their intentions are for donating to their school. See how much of a clue they have about their intentions

It is a little ironic to me that foreigners who come to the US for college and then leave are criticized for not staying to pay taxes..............and the ones who do stay are criticized for taking away Amurrrrican jobs!

 

[Misterbill]

Also, it's USA tennis in the USA. Keep in mind that International parents, family and friends are less likely to travel to the USA to watch and support their child's college tennis matches. Whereas, family and friends of USA recruits are more apt and able to attend, support and cheer for USA.

Maybe this is your experience. It is not mine.

At all the college tennis matches I have attended, family, friends, and just plain ol' fans are rooting for the individual or the team.

I have never been to [any] college athletic event where people are rooting for "USA".

If I were a player or a coach on a college team in any sport, with one or more international players, and a fan........never mind a family member.....was rooting for USA, I would consider that an insult to the team and boorish behavior. I'd feel embarrassed for any player on the team whose parents were doing something like this

 

[JLyon]

Maybe this is your experience. It is not mine.

At all the college tennis matches I have attended, family, friends, and just plain ol' fans are rooting for the individual or the team.

I have never been to [any] college athletic event where people are rooting for "USA".

If I were a player or a coach on a college team in any sport, with one or more international players, and a fan........never mind a family member.....was rooting for USA, I would consider that an insult to the team and boorish behavior. I'd feel embarrassed for any player on the team whose parents were doing something like this

I agree I know firsthand at the CUSA Women's Tournament there were several players from overseas who had parents or relatives on site watching and the players and fans cheered for their team not whether a player was American or not.

 

[Misterbill]

I agree I know firsthand at the CUSA Women's Tournament there were several players from overseas who had parents or relatives on site watching and the players and fans cheered for their team not whether a player was American or not.

OFF-TOPIC WARNING: In CUSA it's all Tulsa and Rice on the women's side, right? Anyone else even close? Memphis?

(On-topic token comment.......Rice has a hot-shot British frosh apparently)