Forget about lag and snap: 10min to delpos forehand

FailBetter

Semi-Pro

What do you guys think about his main points:
  • loop
  • higher takeback
For a bigger forehand.



He also said that fed had a bigger forehand with the bigger takeback earlier in his career.


But then there is someone like James Blake who had a big forehand without a loop at all:

 

Raul_SJ

G.O.A.T.
But then there is someone like James Blake who had a big forehand without a loop at all:
Interesting that Blake had no loop... Nikola says everyone in the ATP today has a loop!

Don't know why the hell Karue is going for Delpo's HUGE loop. He should model Aggasi smaller loop.

There are only two technical elements that all high-level forehands have in common.​
Ubiquitous modern forehand technical element number 1
is the looping action of the racquet in the preparation stage accompanied by the non-dominant arm being positioned across the body.​

 
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ZanderGoga

Semi-Pro
Delpo’s FH has that lag and that snap just like every other FH that’s come to prominence since the dawn of the poly era. It’s just a little less pronounced because of the vertical path and E grip in combination.

It’s pretty easy to hit, though, and easier to teach relative to the SW for anyone brand new to hitting big boy FH”s. Delpo’s film is very easy to break down, comprehend, and replicate. His stroke is very biomechanically simple and elegant. It also translates much more simply to a neutral stance weight transfer swing, which is a utility a lot of players could benefit from.
 

FailBetter

Semi-Pro
Delpo’s FH has that lag and that snap just like every other FH that’s come to prominence since the dawn of the poly era. It’s just a little less pronounced because of the vertical path and E grip in combination.
yes. nobody said that he hasnt lag. but its just not the thing to focus about, thats the point Karue made.
 

GuyClinch

Legend
Interesting that Blake had no loop... Nikola says everyone in the ATP today has a loop!

Don't know why the hell Karue is going for Delpo's HUGE loop. He should model Aggasi smaller loop.

There are only two technical elements that all high-level forehands have in common.​
Ubiquitous modern forehand technical element number 1
is the looping action of the racquet in the preparation stage accompanied by the non-dominant arm being positioned across the body.​


Karue is going for a big loop because it generates more power. The problem with the modern Fed forehand is it is all Ric Macci.. The loop doesn't carry power any more its just used to set the racquet level. You could just hold the racquet out in PTD and hit with virtually the same power as the loop.

We have had this discussion here before - this idea that you want this ultra compact forehand is just silly - especially rec players. You want to use that gravity assist and generate tons of easy power.
 

eah123

Professional
Don't most rec players want more control / consistency, rather than more power?

I think a bigger loop is more difficult to time correctly. For a pro player like Karue, it may make sense to see if he improve his results.

On the other hand, is appears Dominic Thiem is working on reducing his loop.
 

Raul_SJ

G.O.A.T.
Don't most rec players want more control / consistency, rather than more power?
As a 3.5 player, the biggest issue for me is getting prepared for the next shot. Think this applies to the vast majority of 3.5 players.

Even though the balls are slower at that level, the average 3.5 will still be late.

One of the factors for this late prep us swing path. For that reason, I would not go for the "next gen" forehand swing path described in the video. That next gen forehand swing path is more time-consuming...Stick with the more conventional Fed style of taking the racquet back early, with the RH tip pointing to the sky instead of RH tip pointing to the net like next gen style, and a much smaller compact loop.
 
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