Forgive Me, Father, For I Am a Full Fledged Sinner!

Career Titles, Slam & Overall


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He does have a little swagger for a 19yrs old...hopefully not too much and become another insufferable next-gen.
Look, he's a great kid, with uncommon talent, drive, maturity and work ethic. But he's also a 19-year old millionaire who's instantly been elevated to God-like status by an entire nation. No one is immune to all of life's flatteries. And despite his humble nature and dolomitic background, he IS a Gen Z... the most important question will always be "Is the wifi turned on?"
 

EllieK

Hall of Fame
He does have a little swagger for a 19yrs old...hopefully not too much and become another insufferable next-gen.
a little swagger is necessary. You have to believe in yourself and your abilities to be successful in life. He is putting in the work to achieve great things on court, and has a good future ahead of him. There are a few things he needs to work on but it looks like he realises his weaknesses. Hopefully he doesn’t fizzle out like so many of the potential successors of the big 3 have done over the past 10 or 15 years. Historically almost all of the top players throughout the years have had some swagger, frequently heading into arrogance territory. I don’t have a real problem with it as long as it translates to watchable tennis. Overall, I really like Sinner and I like that he believes in himself.
 
To me it seems he checks as usual the state of his phone to avoid any disturbance during the presser, as we can see in the conferences before. Plus he is a bit of a miser* when it comes to his personal things while willing to donate to others early in is career. But the Wifi question is absolutely the first or second thing I hear from Gen Z visiting a place, reminds me of his youth :)

*No car for quite some time, nothing flashy and reinvests into tennis education
 
Welcome Janni to the ATP Top10 of the EloRanking, in his not so fully fledged sinning season!

All this despite the short season and the lack of games on grass courts, good things will still come. Look at the peaks of Rublev, Tsitsipas and Schwartzman. While Federer must still be ahead, Kyrgios and Schwartzman arguably should't...

Rank​
Player​
Age​
Elo​
HardRaw​
ClayRaw​
GrassRaw​
hElo​
cElo​
gElo​
Peak Match​
Peak Age​
Peak Elo​
1​
33.4​
2244.3​
2129.7​
2092.9​
2013.9​
2187.0​
2168.6​
2129.1​
2016 Miami F​
28.8​
2469.7​
2​
34.4​
2196.2​
2041.9​
2132.4​
1677.9​
2119.1​
2164.3​
1937.0​
2009 Madrid SF​
22.9​
2368.4​
3​
27.1​
2072.6​
1978.2​
2010.2​
1614.3​
2025.4​
2041.4​
1843.5​
2016 Halle R16​
22.8​
2122.5​
4​
23.0​
2065.6​
1957.1​
1823.3​
1516.4​
2011.4​
1944.5​
1791.0​
2020 Paris R32​
23.0​
2082.6​
5​
23.5​
2048.5​
1979.1​
1957.1​
1636.0​
2013.8​
2002.8​
1842.3​
2017 Canada F​
20.3​
2147.5​
6​
24.7​
2028.0​
1975.0​
1598.8​
1642.5​
2001.5​
1813.4​
1835.2​
2019 Shanghai F​
23.7​
2128.7​
7​
22.2​
2015.1​
1899.0​
1940.4​
1573.1​
1957.0​
1977.7​
1794.1​
2020 Cincinnati R16​
22.0​
2069.1​
8​
28.2​
1964.0​
1795.4​
1920.0​
1498.7​
1879.7​
1942.0​
1731.3​
2020 Paris R16​
28.2​
1973.5​
9​
24.7​
1963.2​
1891.1​
1602.2​
1612.3​
1927.2​
1782.7​
1787.8​
2017 Cincinnati SF​
22.3​
2087.9​
10​
19.2​
1954.3​
1819.2​
1772.4​
1398.6​
1886.8​
1863.3​
1676.4​
2020 Sofia F​
19.2​
1954.3​
 
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EllieK

Hall of Fame
Great post, I agree his level of tennis is comparable to most of the top guys. It's his mentality which has disappointed, especially in trying to serve out the first set against Rafa at RG. He collapsed mentally then and this isn't a good sign for a (possible) future great player. He was outplaying Nadal in that match and he just choked and then faded badly in the third, 1-6. Did I expect him to beat Rafa there? No, but he should have won the first and remained competitive. I'll be interested to see in 2021 how he steps up against the big three.
Medvedev/Rafa 2019. Sinner will work it out.
 

octobrina10

G.O.A.T.
Jannik Sinner's coach, Riccardo Piatti, says that Jannik and Rafa have agreed to practice together in the first 7 days of the 14-day quarantine in Melbourne, when each player can train with only one other player:


In italian:
 
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Red Rick

Bionic Poster
Not sure practicing with Rafa that much is great?

Not because of the intensity, but because of his ball being very specific.
 

FatHead250

Semi-Pro
Sinner can really drive the ball and has great mechanics, but I don't see him winning a lot of if any grandslams because he has thin and weak legs
 

BeatlesFan

Bionic Poster
Sinner can really drive the ball and has great mechanics, but I don't see him winning a lot of if any grandslams because he has thin and weak legs
Sinner will definitely bulk up and get stronger and fitter. Up until 2019, Zverev had stick legs and now his quads and calf muscles are quite defined. Give Sinner some time.
 

Winners or Errors

Hall of Fame
Sinner will definitely bulk up and get stronger and fitter. Up until 2019, Zverev had stick legs and now his quads and calf muscles are quite defined. Give Sinner some time.
Agreed. He's still growing. I like his mechanics and movement. Most of these youngsters just need endurance.
 

stringertom

Bionic Poster
Sinner will definitely bulk up and get stronger and fitter. Up until 2019, Zverev had stick legs and now his quads and calf muscles are quite defined. Give Sinner some time.
Maybe, maybe not. Each person’s genetics dictate whether you get tree trunks or Dixon Ticonderoga #2s. You can make them a little bigger but Sinner will never resemble Berdych from the waist down. Those tree trunks would only slow Sinner down.

The point about Sinner is he already has very strong legs from his years on the ski slopes. How much he swells from diet and/or exercise won’t have much bearing on winning slams.
 

James P

Legend
Looks like Sinner's post-AO tournament will be in Montpellier again. He's currently "seeded" 9th in a fairly weak 250. RBA, Goffin, PCB, and Lajovic are the top 4 seeds.
 

octobrina10

G.O.A.T.
Hate Nadal with a passion. Always have, always will. But the man would have made one hell of a soccer player. In tennis, he is arguably the GOAT. In soccer, he was never even an amateur player. But to this day, his soccer technique is far more natural than his tennis technique.
He was a promising football/soccer player at age 12.
Post #76:
 

James P

Legend
Sinner has received a wild card entry into an unusually strong Rotterdam 500. Five of the top ten (Nadal, Medvedev, Tsitsipas, Rublev, and Berrettini) and 20 of the top 30 players have entered.
 

stringertom

Bionic Poster
A tidy 2&4 win for the #4 seed saintly Sinner. R16 will be in all probability a match with #13 seed Aljaz Bedene, who is up 6-0 4-2 on Aussie teen Dane Sweeny. They are in the bottom half of Murray River 250 with fellow seeds #2 Khachanov, #6 Opelka, #7 Kecmanovic and #9 Sandgren.

With this victory, Sinner has decided not to visit the WATLYNM Lodge for a luxurious layover.
 

James P

Legend
A tidy 2&4 win for the #4 seed saintly Sinner. R16 will be in all probability a match with #13 seed Aljaz Bedene, who is up 6-0 4-2 on Aussie teen Dane Sweeny. They are in the bottom half of Murray River 250 with fellow seeds #2 Khachanov, #6 Opelka, #7 Kecmanovic and #9 Sandgren.

With this victory, Sinner has decided not to visit the WATLYNM Lodge for a luxurious layover.
Doubles with Hurkacz later on this afternoon/evening prior to tomorrow's Bedene match. Good think that win was so tidy.
 
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