Forgive Me, Father, For I Am a Full Fledged Sinner!

Career Titles, Slam & Overall


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cortado

Professional
The only thing that worries me is the girlfriend's last name: Braccini, a terrible and ominous name for a tennis wag as it basically means "choking", "yips" or "collapsing down the stretch".

Other than that, let the kid reap the benefits of his achievements.
Also the fact that she has huge fake **** and looks like one of Berlusconi's Bunga Bunga girls.
 

stringertom

Bionic Poster
The shallowness on this forum is mind boggling! Let people live their private lives without prying and judging on appearances.

#BooksAndCovers
 

Rovesciarete

Semi-Pro
I confess I had to choke once I saw Braccini as her name…

No bunga babe as the age difference is not 40 plus and the Sinner is even a year younger. It feels a bit like digging red gold but I have no business judging the intentions of the young lady.
 

stringertom

Bionic Poster
Stereotypes and gut feeling exist for a reason.
To prove you’re a Shallow Hal. Works for me; now I know not to trust any opinion of yours.

From my own experience, the wisest and most decent significant other in my life during my 20s was born flat chested but had a loving dad with cash to help out in the matter. Didn’t stop us from having a decade long relationship and leaving as friends when the time was right to move on.

How do you know what’s in Jannik’s or Maria’s hearts, minds or plans for the present and the future?
 

cortado

Professional
To prove you’re a Shallow Hal. Works for me; now I know not to trust any opinion of yours.

From my own experience, the wisest and most decent significant other in my life during my 20s was born flat chested but had a loving dad with cash to help out in the matter. Didn’t stop us from having a decade long relationship and leaving as friends when the time was right to move on.

How do you know what’s in Jannik’s or Maria’s hearts, minds or plans for the present and the future?
Her dad bought her fake ****? Bizarre.
 

stringertom

Bionic Poster
The new serve stance and strength can be seen here

I’m guessing IW is the tournament site? His serve let him down there and the still photos shared earlier made it seem he was trending back to the old pinpoint style. This video seems to confirm the platform stance is not as clearly defined as his summer adjustment. The right leg wants to move a bit forward after ball toss. Here’s the video I shared a few weeks back that “pinpoints” the change and when it first manifested itself as part of Sinner’s game (Wimby practice session). I’m actually skeptical it wasn’t in his arsenal a week earlier at Queens, when there was actually a bit of time in between exiting RG in 4R and his first grass matches in 2 years.

 

James P

G.O.A.T.
Poor performances from Rubles plus some good performances from Sinner have him up to #8 (#5 amongst people that haven't shut it down for the season) on hardcourt specific elo, per Tennis Abstract.

(He would be favored to win against everyone not named Djokovic, Medvedev, Zverev, and Tsitsipas on hardcourt)


Elo
Rank
NameAgeOverall
Elo
Hard
Raw
Clay
Raw
Grass
Raw
hElocElogEloPeak MatchPeak
Age
Peak
Elo
1​
Novak Djokovic​
34.3​
2173.1​
2041.3​
2036.0​
1962.5​
2107.2
2104.5​
2067.8​
2016 Miami F​
28.8​
2470.0​
2​
Daniil Medvedev​
25.6​
2131.2​
2076.5​
1713.9​
1723.4​
2103.8
1922.5​
1927.3​
2021 Australian Open SF​
25.0​
2159.1​
3​
Alexander Zverev​
24.5​
2105.5​
2017.7​
1998.9​
1671.4​
2061.6
2052.2​
1888.4​
2017 Canada F​
20.3​
2148.1​
5​
Stefanos Tsitsipas​
23.1​
2064.9​
1924.4​
2005.2​
1543.4​
1994.7
2035.0​
1804.2​
2021 Roland Garros SF​
22.8​
2132.6​
4​
Rafael Nadal​
35.2​
2094.8​
1891.6​
2050.9​
1563.0​
1993.2
2072.9​
1828.9​
2009 Madrid SF​
22.9​
2370.0​
6​
Roger Federer​
39.9​
2042.8​
1935.8​
1749.3​
1813.4​
1989.3
1896.1​
1928.1​
2007 Dubai F​
25.6​
2382.0​
9​
Dominic Thiem​
27.7​
2002.1​
1934.1​
1935.9​
1618.3​
1968.1
1969.0​
1810.2​
2016 Halle R16​
22.8​
2123.2​
10
Jannik Sinner
20.2
1992.4
1931.7
1806.7
1312.8
1962.0
1899.5
1652.6
2021 Barcelona QF
19.7
2022.9
11​
Andrey Rublev​
24.0​
1984.2​
1905.2​
1827.2​
1652.8​
1944.7
1905.7​
1818.5​
2021 Monte Carlo SF​
23.5​
2105.9​
12​
Cameron Norrie​
26.1​
1980.2​
1842.1​
1810.4​
1575.1​
1911.2
1895.3​
1777.7​
2021 Indian Wells F​
26.1​
1980.2​
13​
Pablo Carreno Busta​
30.2​
1963.2​
1845.7​
1867.8​
1439.8​
1904.5
1915.5​
1701.5​
2021 Winston-Salem R16​
30.1​
2001.1​
8​
Casper Ruud​
22.8​
2005.7​
1789.7​
1951.0​
1465.9​
1897.7
1978.4​
1735.8​
2021 Indian Wells R32​
22.8​
2021.8​
7​
Matteo Berrettini​
25.5​
2016.3​
1770.1​
1910.3​
1853.0​
1893.2
1963.3​
1934.7​
2021 Wimbledon SF​
25.2​
2044.6​
15​
Jenson Brooksby​
21.0​
1942.8​
1841.7​
1661.4​
1656.3​
1892.2
1802.1​
1799.5​
2021 Antwerp QF​
21.0​
1967.1​
14​
Diego Schwartzman​
29.2​
1942.8​
1838.2​
1872.6​
1526.0​
1890.5
1907.7​
1734.4​
2020 Paris R16​
28.2​
1973.9​
 

bertrevert

Hall of Fame
he was trending back to the old pinpoint style. This video seems to confirm the platform stance is not as clearly defined
(Yes IW hitup crts I believe but not my video.)

Wow yes I thought I was seeing things but I agree I thought I saw too some hip-hopping, flip-flopping between pin-point and platform. Ai vay.

This is a tough transitional time to be doing this, but if you think about it whoever we refer to as GOATs of today have been doing exactly that, always, evolving. Not stand still, work their game. They have to. Meanwhile players with their coaches analyse vid recordings of their next opponent's game. So if not evolve they will be trapped: worked out, bounced out.

Players who don't or didn't come to mind, for example a Rios or a Grossjean. Reached the heights - but for a short time only.
 

stringertom

Bionic Poster
(Yes IW hitup crts I believe but not my video.)

Wow yes I thought I was seeing things but I agree I thought I saw too some hip-hopping, flip-flopping between pin-point and platform. Ai vay.

This is a tough transitional time to be doing this, but if you think about it whoever we refer to as GOATs of today have been doing exactly that, always, evolving. Not stand still, work their game. They have to. Meanwhile players with their coaches analyse vid recordings of their next opponent's game. So if not evolve they will be trapped: worked out, bounced out.

Players who don't or didn't come to mind, for example a Rios or a Grossjean. Reached the heights - but for a short time only.
Grosjean maintained a decent level for quite a while IIRC…nearly a decade of top 30 to 40 with peaks in the top 5. Loved his game! He and Arnaud Boetsch were my favorite French players from the 90s.
 

bertrevert

Hall of Fame
Grosjean maintained a decent level for quite a while IIRC…nearly a decade of top 30 to 40 with peaks in the top 5. Loved his game! He and Arnaud Boetsch were my favorite French players from the 90s.
saw him play live. vs hewitt, think the air travel to downunder tired him out tho, he look v pale and tired (viewers perhaps underestimate the toll of gruelling tennis player schedules)
 

James P

G.O.A.T.
Jannik's Antwerp tournament was the second most dominant (DR=Dominance Ratio) tournament win in the last two years. He posted a 2.8 DR against Opelka in the first Vienna match, for those curious...

NameNATDateYearLevelDrawTournamentMatchesDR
Ruud, CasperNOR07/18/21202125028Bastad32.021
Sinner, JannikITA10/24/21202125028Antwerp41.943
Tsitsipas, StefanosGRE02/23/20202025028Marseilles41.919
Rublev, AndreyRUS11/01/20202050032Vienna51.877
Tsitsipas, StefanosGRE05/23/21202125028Lyon41.829
Ivashka, IlyaBLR08/29/21202125048Winston Salem61.806
 

Jack the Hack

Hall of Fame
Don’t want to boast about my talent evaluations too much but Bergamo’19 was enough for me to recognize Sin in its original state and realize he is in his element when the court lights come on and the house lights dim.
You beat me. My moment of recognition with Sinner was about 9 months after Bergamo when I was watching him completely own De Minaur in the finals of the Next Gen championships. Alex is a fighter, but Sinner's game was so good, he took the racquet out of De Minaur's hands completely. To me, that kind of ability translates into top 10 potential. Then I got to spend about 90 minutes with Sinner off the court in a corporate setting (the company I work for is one of his sponsors) and I was really impressed. He was the kind of kid that looks you straight in the eye in conversations and was really engaged. To me, he said all the right things and just gets it in terms of what it takes to be successful. And he has an excellent team around him. That's why I'm a fan and have high hopes for him to be one of the top guys in the next few years.
 

Aabye5

Hall of Fame
You beat me. My moment of recognition with Sinner was about 9 months after Bergamo when I was watching him completely own De Minaur in the finals of the Next Gen championships. Alex is a fighter, but Sinner's game was so good, he took the racquet out of De Minaur's hands completely. To me, that kind of ability translates into top 10 potential. Then I got to spend about 90 minutes with Sinner off the court in a corporate setting (the company I work for is one of his sponsors) and I was really impressed. He was the kind of kid that looks you straight in the eye in conversations and was really engaged. To me, he said all the right things and just gets it in terms of what it takes to be successful. And he has an excellent team around him. That's why I'm a fan and have high hopes for him to be one of the top guys in the next few years.
I remember he had won a few titles on the Challenger circuit, and the next thing you know he's taking a set off of Stan the Man at the USO. Impressive debut for a youngster.
 

Rovesciarete

Semi-Pro
The interview is revealing nothing new but confirms a lot. Thank god he isn't easy to influence by the outside world. Maybe some here have not noticed what a casino followed when he decided not to go to the Olympics....

The dominance ratio in Antwerp was pretty impressive, Vienna is of course much more difficult. I remember finding later during our lockdown some stuff to listen too.


This is a relaxed chat between fellow pros Sinner and Miedler. Crazy to think that roughly two years ago it Sinner was considered a good draw for his opponent. What stands out is that he considers his improvements far more important then his wins. He pointed out his progress on the serve first and the his forehand which was exactly what I thought was the right order.

There will be bad losses and difficult periods but he will be a top 5 player for a over a decade.
 

stringertom

Bionic Poster
I remember he had won a few titles on the Challenger circuit, and the next thing you know he's taking a set off of Stan the Man at the USO. Impressive debut for a youngster.
Damn that 2019 Stanimal! He flattened the Sinner tires in the Antwerp SF too, depriving the world of a sinful Murray final. Who knows the result of that encounter…original Sin or slightly polished Scottish Steve Austin.
 

stringertom

Bionic Poster
The interview is revealing nothing new but confirms a lot. Thank god he isn't easy to influence by the outside world. Maybe some here have not noticed what a casino followed when he decided not to go to the Olympics....

The dominance ratio in Antwerp was pretty impressive, Vienna is of course much more difficult. I remember finding later during our lockdown some stuff to listen too.


This is a relaxed chat between fellow pros Sinner and Miedler. Crazy to think that roughly two years ago it Sinner was considered a good draw for his opponent. What stands out is that he considers his improvements far more important then his wins. He pointed out his progress on the serve first and the his forehand which was exactly what I thought was the right order.

There will be bad losses and difficult periods but he will be a top 5 player for a over a decade.
I’m confused here. Reading the Olympics qualifying guidelines it states a player must have been part of three DC teams between 2016 and 2020.

As a teenager for those years, was Sinner a Junior DC player and does that even qualify for that 3x stipulation?

Was Sinner a bench “player” for senior DC beginning in 2018, his first full season as a pro but one when he played primarily on the Futures circuit (just 4 main draw Challenger matches)?

Without one of those two scenarios meeting the stipulations from IOC, Sinner shouldn’t have been eligible to play in Tokyo and the matter wasn’t within his power to play or not to play.

I’m not in Italy (sadly :cry: ) to be aware of media firestorms about Olympics participation so any information is greatly appreciated.
 

Rovesciarete

Semi-Pro
Some outlets were neutral and even understanding while others went for cheaper shots. There was also a bit of fairly typical nationalist reactions but fortunately a minority. Keep in mind that Sinner grew up as a German speaking Southtyrolean, so even if he feels at home and says the right things some idiots will always be there. Thankfully the great majority of Italians are not jingoistic.

Personally I thought that he did the right thing by letting Musetti go there. Sadly the latter was also not in a purple patch. Overall it was stupid to treat a huge talent the way our former Fed cup captain Barazzutti did...

“Sinner ha già rinunciato due volte alla Coppa Davis. Evidentemente, se non si crede in certi valori, se non valgono certi principi, tutto sommato meglio stare a casa. Peccato per Jannik, mai fu fatta scelta più sbagliata“.
One would think that such an experienced, successful chap and captain! would think before talking and writing. Thankfully Sinner seems not to care too much about what others say. What a loss would it have been for the Davis cup team!

Found the latter quote rather fitting:

Siamo alle solite. Esaltazione esagerata quando le cose vanno bene. Critiche a grandine appena le cose vanno male. Era tutto già scritto. In Italia è così.
 

Aabye5

Hall of Fame
Damn that 2019 Stanimal! He flattened the Sinner tires in the Antwerp SF too, depriving the world of a sinful Murray final. Who knows the result of that encounter…original Sin or slightly polished Scottish Steve Austin.
SingSing likes to stick to the baseline and not too many can boss Stan the Man from there. In 2019, I still like Murray. Today...let's just hope SingSing doesn't get Murray in the first round. It would be carnage.
 

stringertom

Bionic Poster
SingSing likes to stick to the baseline and not too many can boss Stan the Man from there. In 2019, I still like Murray. Today...let's just hope SingSing doesn't get Murray in the first round. It would be carnage.
Sinner in 2019 <<<< Sinner in 2021, naturally. But, Sinner in ATP finals is pretty much rock solid, the lone loss being of course Miami to Hurk (5-1). Antwerp’19 Muzz would have been vulnerable to a sinful fit of genius if he had gotten past Stanimal.
 

Rovesciarete

Semi-Pro
Well it took him some times to get running - Italians use the word diesel in such cases - but he did not have much trouble afterwards. I would argue that he serve is slowly morphing into a ATP100 neutral, becoming a lot more reliable.

The ATP ranks him at 46 although his ace% is only good enough for 77. Plenty of room for argument but I think it is fair that he is not yet among the top 50 servers of the Tour on long term merit but maybe on form...

Ruud is an intriguing mix of qualities and in excellent form. Arguably the toughest matchup in the last month or better after Zverev.
 

Rovesciarete

Semi-Pro
Just to finish the Olympic chapter which rightly didn't register much outside of Italy I will use this quote from Livetennis:

Author robdes12 : Fra Barazzutti, Palmieri e il … sardo non so proprio chi scegliere come campione di borbottio ….Siccome non sanno parlare, farebbero molto meglio a tacere. Non è possibile mandare in campo loro al posto dei giocatori attuali, e, in ambito di tennis di squadra, è il caso di evitare che ci siano all’interno malumori di qualsiasi genere. Non c’era bisogno della sua sparata per alimentare un dualismo che già si è creato fra i tifosi. Ci manca solo che anche Sinner abbia una fase di rottura con la fit. Bolelli e Camila non hanno insegnato nulla a questi imbranati? Hai una panchina molto lunga dopo anni di magra, di che ti devi lamentare? Deve andare a giocare chi è il migliore in questo momento. Se Jannick non si considera all’altezza, fa bene a non partecipare e dare la possibilità di giocare, al posto suo, ad un altro giocatore emergente che pare invece in un buon momento agonistico. Se entri in campo convinto di non poter vincere, che partecipi a fare? Visto che ho letto montagne di commenti critici sul valore della testa e del carattere per vincere le partite, in un momento in cui la fiducia è bassa è conseguente che chi la subisca si tiri un attimo a lato.
Of course journalists have to do their job but in the past there have been plenty of problems which didn't increase the chances to win the Davis Cup. Now you have one of the greatest prospects in world tennis and some figureheads of Italian tennis write and speak rashly. Thankfully young Sinner is not hot-headed and has a great team around. As a matter of fact without Piatti and others things might be emotionally different.
 
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stringertom

Bionic Poster
Well it took him some times to get running - Italians use the word diesel in such cases - but he did not have much trouble afterwards. I would argue that he serve is slowly morphing into a ATP100 neutral, becoming a lot more reliable.

The ATP ranks him at 46 although his ace% is only good enough for 77. Plenty of room for argument but I think it is fair that he is not yet among the top 50 servers of the Tour on long term merit but maybe on form...

Ruud is an intriguing mix of qualities and in excellent form. Arguably the toughest matchup in the last month or better after Zverev.
Did you look at the surface breakdowns? 159th on grass, 63rd on clay, 31st on HC. Wish they had a subset for Indoor HC, which is what he will play on until the new year. Ruud is 12th on HCs but the gap is a narrow 10 points or so out of the nearly 300 points scores they have earned.

I’m siding with the experience factor on this surface/venue to help decide a close match. In other words, winning three titles indoors and the NextGen Finals will give the younger Sinner confidence to deal with a competitor with just 4 career main draw match wins at ATP level indoor HC tournaments. Sinner won 4 in Antwerp last week. Also, it means quite a bit more in the Sinner path to TorINo. In very meaningful matches Sinner delivers (4-1 finals, 5-1 SFs, 6-2 QFs), But, many experts say he chokes, has zero tennis iq, and no variety. One comment read is that Ruud has superior IQ due to his father’s DNA. Christian Ruud had such superior tennis IQ to pass along due to his great results that include a 115-145 career record, zero tournament titles and best slam result of 4R (once).
 

stringertom

Bionic Poster
Just to finish the Olympic chapter which rightly didn't register much outside of Italy I will use this quote from Livetennis:



Of course journalists have to do their job but in the past there have been plenty of problems which didn't increase the chances to win the Davis Cup. Now you have one of the greatest prospects in world tennis and some figureheads of Italian tennis write and speak rashly. Thankfully young Sinner is not hot-headed and has a great team around. As a matter of fact without Piatti and others things might be emotionally different.
I’m not fluent in Italian. Did whoever wrote this provide clarity about the question of eligibility I brought up before your first post in Italian from IIRC you attributed to Barazzutti? According to everything I have read, if a player isn’t nominated for DC (do juniors count?) 3 of the 4 years prior to the Games then he can’t play. I stated I doubt he was worthy in 2018 for adult DC nomination so I’ll ask again if you are aware of his qualification status???
 

stringertom

Bionic Poster
Just to finish the Olympic chapter which rightly didn't register much outside of Italy I will use this quote from Livetennis:



Of course journalists have to do their job but in the past there have been plenty of problems which didn't increase the chances to win the Davis Cup. Now you have one of the greatest prospects in world tennis and some figureheads of Italian tennis write and speak rashly. Thankfully young Sinner is not hot-headed and has a great team around. As a matter of fact without Piatti and others things might be emotionally different.
I’m not fluent in Italian. Did whoever write this provide clarity about the question of eligibility I brought up before your first post from Barraz
Lost in the race drama is the fact that a win tomorrow would lock up the Sinful One's very first foray into the top ten - a fairly significant achievement in its own right.
welcome back, amico! This result you speak of…it cannot happen because Jannik’s cardinal sin (to match his ginger crown) is:

a) dating a beautiful woman who wouldn’t have a care for him without his earned wealth

b) lacks tennis IQ, hands, variety

c) chokes in big matches (but somehow is a 4x champion in 5 finals)

d) most importantly, is a product of an organized agenda of propaganda and hype orchestrated by a cabal of fanboys who have no experience watching the sport for sport’s sake. Sinner is an illusion.
 

Rovesciarete

Semi-Pro
@stringertom: Sorry, forgot to add. I don't know why exactly he had the right to play. He got invited for the DC but didn't play, maybe it is nomination thing. In any case I'm sure that he will play in the Davis Cup. It is ideally suited for him location-wise, enabling to visit also friends and family but far more importantly he wants to represent Italy. Piatti&Co infused him with the heritage of that competition and what it meant for older Italian tennis fans.

Ruud seems to have clicked on hard court, maybe a mix between a tipping point with his serve and the way he applies his strokes...
 

James P

G.O.A.T.
It's official!!!


(Live) RankingNameAgeNationATP PointsATP Ranking ChangeATP Points ChangeCurrent TournamentLast TournamentNext ATP PointsLast (Title) ATP Points
7Matteo Berrettini25.5ITA14768+80Lost in Vienna QF
(R16 )
8Casper Ruud22.8NOR13615Lost in Vienna QF
(R32 )
9Jannik Sinner20.2ITA23395+2+135Vienna SF
(R16 )
35153715
10Hubert Hurkacz24.7POL13356-22Lost in Vienna R32
11Dominic Thiem28.1AUT13315-2-90
12Félix Auger-Aliassime21.2CAN13263+67Lost in Vienna QF

What a wild ride the last 2+ years. If he can manage to win the tournament, he'll move into #8 and likely effectively seal his spot in the ATP Finals.
 

Baseline_Bungle

Professional
As a proud creature of the infernal underworld, the Sinner despises blue skies, fresh breezes and warm sun rays. But place a roof over his head and he will show his true nature.

Tonight was the kind of devastating performance some of us have been envisioning for nearly three years. It's almost a shame he'll be arriving in Paris after such a tour de force, 'cause the way he's going you feel he may have really had a chance.
 

Rovesciarete

Semi-Pro
Yeah but he will have his days in the sun too...

He progresses in a natural order from an ever stronger base. Incredible to think this was rightly written somewhat over half a year ago...

Jannik Sinner’s Missing First Serve Points

Another reason for optimism is that Sinner himself has already posted a 21-point WinDiff season last year, and this year’s weirdness is in large part due to his improvement against second serves, not a drastic drop in first-serve effectiveness.

Maintaining his 56.5% rate of winning second-serve points seems unlikely only because it is so good. If he can manage that, he can survive with a modest first delivery so long as it’s in his typical high-60s range instead of the mid-50s that proved his undoing against Hurkacz.

Finally, the clay-centricity of the list above might be reason to pause before pegging Sinner as an eventual #1. But it also suggests that the teenager is developing exactly the right kind of game to excel on dirt. For the next couple of months, Italian fans will have plenty to get excited about.
For all our knowledge about this indoor hardcourt preference he looked statistically more like a dirt baller. Like the Man from Murcia the Sinner from Sexten will be hard to beat on any surface for many years...
 
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