Forgiving racquet 270-300 for an lower-intermediate female

liriel

New User
Hey, sorry for another post but I both realised I could probably handle heavier and stiffer frame that I thought. I also realised that I tested some Wilson - 265 and hated it because it was too light but maybe because it just wasn't for me (now I'm going crazy what colour it was). Now, after reading and testing I realise I forgot to ask about very important - forgiveness of the racquet (off shots, outside the sweet spot..) It's not because of my health but it's because from time to time I miss a sweet spot (I even hit the ball using racquets's frame). I love the feeling when I know I hit it terribly but still it landed (almost) where it should, at least in my opponents side. I can't have a racquet that would punish me for this.
 

PMF

Rookie
Have you tried the Head Graphine 360 Radical S? If I remember correctly, I think Tiffini (from Tennis Warehouse) spoke highly of this frame. A 2019 CY pick. Not 100% sure.
 

etd

Rookie
Here are a few suggestions. Of course, it is always best to demo. Not sure if you have access to all of these racquets.

275 Grams Unstrung - Volkl V Sense 6 (Discontinued model. Not the current V Feel 6 which uses a different mold and is much stiffer.)
280 Grams Unstrung - Yonex V Core Pro 100 280
285 Grams Unstrung - Head Gravity S
295 Grams Unstrung - Head Microgel Instinct (2008 model that has been re-issued on a very limited basis. Easier to use than the Microgel Radical.)
300 Grams Unstrung - Head Graphene 360 Extreme MP (Lots of power. Swingweight may be too high, but it does have a big sweetspot.)
 
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TagUrIt

Hall of Fame
I would suggest the Wilson Clash 100 UL. It’s a light forgiving flexible racquet with a large enough sweet spot for someone at your level.
 

liriel

New User
I would suggest the Wilson Clash 100 UL. It’s a light forgiving flexible racquet with a large enough sweet spot for someone at your level.
Thank you all, what about Wilson Blade? Clash vs Blade.
As for others, I got scared about the MP racquet that it'd be difficult that's why I focused on Instinct like that nobody plays :p Head Graphine 360 Radical S - I'll try them! Only when I see the level for whom it's I get scared.
 

Searah

Semi-Pro
i really like the Head Gravity MP. it's got a different shape which creates a better sweet spot.
i've never had a moment on a off shot where i was like "ouchhhhh"

it's not a power racket tho but the accuracy is super good!
i'd say it's good for all levels.. i think it can be used by beginners and pros.

it also has colours!

but their is 2 versions i think? pro and mp. MP is the light one! i like the MP. there is also a lighter version i recall? (like MP L?) but MP is light enough in my opinion.. don't need go lighter.
 

liriel

New User
Thank you! Does the shape (head shape) make a huge difference or will I be able to get used to it quickly? Could someone give the most standard parameters?
 

Paul Y

Rookie
I'll make a big post on rackets & strings for ya when I get home. You sound like you are around my daughter's level. Making this post so I can get back to this thread later today.
 

Paul Y

Rookie
Rackets:
Head Gravity MP
Head Radical S (Suggest S over the MP as the head size is a little bigger and more forgiving so you can develop your strokes better)
Wilson Clash 100
Yonex VCore 100 (300)
Technifibre ATP TFight 300

Strings:
WIlson Sensation
Wilson NXT
Technifibre Bi-Phase
Head Velocity
Yonex Rexis

These are my suggestions now each racket does have a lighter version if these versions are too heavy. I do suggest you demo all of them so you can see which fits you best. For strings I suggest you string around 52 to 55 pounds for any of the strings above. All strings above are also multifilament extremely arm friendly and I suggest you string them with a 16L or 17 gauge and don't go 16 or 15 gauge. If someone hasn't explained string gauges to you it has to do with how thin the string is, the higher the gauge the thiner the string. Thiner the gauge the more feel/power/spin the string gets but it also becomes easier to break. If you have any questions feel free to message me directly if needed.
 

TennisHound

Legend
Thank you! Does the shape (head shape) make a huge difference or will I be able to get used to it quickly? Could someone give the most standard parameters?
I had the Head 360 Instinct MP, but my wife tried it and wouldn't give it back to me. Its her regular racquet now. She was using the '18 Pure Drive (which is what I use), but it gave her a little arm soreness. I actually prefer the head shape of the 360 Instinct MP to the Pure Drive.
 

liriel

New User
Head Gravity MP/Instinct MP/Radical OS (and S I know) they almost sound identical (at least the first two)! what's the biggest difference?
Also..
Wilson Clash vs Blade 104 as mnttlrg suggested (Blade 104). Could you compare the two? I read it's recommended for intermediate to advanced so I wonder if it's not too difficult to progress?
 

TagUrIt

Hall of Fame
Thank you all, what about Wilson Blade? Clash vs Blade.
As for others, I got scared about the MP racquet that it'd be difficult that's why I focused on Instinct like that nobody plays :p Head Graphine 360 Radical S - I'll try them! Only when I see the level for whom it's I get scared.

I think the new Blade is good choice as well. If you can demo any of the racquets you’re interested in, it would definitely help with choosing.
 

Soznie

New User
Wilson Clash vs Blade 104 as mnttlrg suggested (Blade 104). Could you compare the two? I read it's recommended for intermediate to advanced so I wonder if it's not too difficult to progress?
Assuming that you're referring to either Wilson Clash 100 or 100L.. Blade v7 104 would probably be more low-powered, has a higher swingweight partially due to the fact that it's a 27.5 inches racket, but provides better control and feel at contact due to the thinner beams. Maybe slightly bigger headsize means more forgiveness too. Both of them are supposed to be arm-friendly rackets, though, I don't think you can go wrong choosing either. Both of them are rackets that can "grow" with you as you become a better player, I think.

In case you're asking me which one is better, I'm more of a Blade guy myself, since at the moment I'm feeling pretty confident about providing my own power, and more used to the classic-feeling rackets with thinner beams. YMMV, of course.
 

liriel

New User
I'm surprised. My coach told me I had more control with Clash! The worst part is that I missed the easy power Babolat gives. The feel was strange. I didn't have time to test but the Instinct line by Head - I grabbed a racquet and it felt.. right! just holding it. I chose the speed s 285 g played with mp lite but decided I don't want a larger head and it was too light. So I have to test yet again. I don't know If I go for the standard MP 300 g to test as well or to choose 285 g. For sure after playing with Clash I do feel it in my arm. Is it normal or means too much? (played almost 2 hours)
 

liriel

New User
I had the Head 360 Instinct MP, but my wife tried it and wouldn't give it back to me. Its her regular racquet now. She was using the '18 Pure Drive (which is what I use), but it gave her a little arm soreness. I actually prefer the head shape of the 360 Instinct MP to the Pure Drive.
I played with Instinct MP lite with bigger head and lesser weight and decided I can handle more weight. Now I'm torn. I wonder what's the biggest difference is between Instinct Speed and MP. I don't really get the lite versions.
 

Paul Y

Rookie
I biggest difference between the two is the weight, the Instinct line was the only 360 line where they adjusted the weight on both sides of the racket so the balance remains the same. For your arm though, what was strung on the racket because that plays a huge part in pain and fatigue?
 

TagUrIt

Hall of Fame
I'm surprised. My coach told me I had more control with Clash!

I play with a Clash Tour and one thing I realized is that I need just a smidgen more plow through. I added a half a gram of tungsten tape (a little bit of tungsten tape goes a long way) to the 12 o’clock position and it has made a tremendous difference. So if you like the feel of the Clash you can always add a little bit of weight to get the power you need, but still have the control and feel.

 

liriel

New User
hmm so I'm torn between mp - 300 g and the instinct speed s (285) and still this clash. what's the point of instinct speed s, I totally don't know the difference.
I asked them about the strings in the clash they weren't sure and mumbled something which sounded childish "momo or..." (I know that there isn't anything remotely sounding like this!). For sure they didn't tell nxt/sensation. I'll ask them the next time, they were nice but they suggested putting alu power for more power which I heard is bad for me and my game. They told me it was probably strung at 25/26 kg.
 

Paul Y

Rookie
hmm so I'm torn between mp - 300 g and the instinct speed s (285) and still this clash. what's the point of instinct speed s, I totally don't know the difference.
I asked them about the strings in the clash they weren't sure and mumbled something which sounded childish "momo or..." (I know that there isn't anything remotely sounding like this!). For sure they didn't tell nxt/sensation. I'll ask them the next time, they were nice but they suggested putting alu power for more power which I heard is bad for me and my game. They told me it was probably strung at 25/26 kg.
The main reason for the weight is for younger and much older players who can't handle the weight anymore. I really don't suggest you go to poly which is ALU power as it is a pretty stiff string and stringing it up that high will hurt you more on a poly. If it was a multifilament or synthetic gut then yes 24 - 26 kg is fine but for poly if you really want to use it don't go higher than 21.5kg. Some places if you ask them to restring a demo because it hurts your arm, the shop generally is willing as well.
 

TagUrIt

Hall of Fame
I'll ask them the next time, they were nice but they suggested putting alu power for more power which I heard is bad for me and my game. They told me it was probably strung at 25/26 kg.
Unfortunately, I can only speak to the Clash, I don’t know much about the Instinct. As far as strings go, poly isn’t anything to be afraid of. Strings are subject to the player using them, what works for one person might not work for another. However, poly strings don’t keep tension very long. If you want to try poly, maybe hybrid it with a synthetic gut or if you don’t mind spending the money natural gut.
 

liriel

New User
I was wondering about posting a new thread so excuse me if I finally will.. My trainers use poly and hate soft strings. I thought about natural gut. All I know is that my racquet doesn't make a player and I need to work on my technique. It's terrible that I got to play so many years with trainers who disrespected teaching me. What's the most powerful racquet? Heavier racquets are harder to manoeuvre, what disadvantages do light racquet have?
I wonder if it's our nationality thing but 3/4 of my 4 trainers I played suggested that 300 g racquet for a woman is bad.. They think 285 g is max. I felt stupid because they played with 295/300 g so basically I had the same/heavier racquet. I asked some females at the club and she played with 280 g head racquet and she was way better than me. Is Clash a powerful racquet?
 

Soznie

New User
I was wondering about posting a new thread so excuse me if I finally will.. My trainers use poly and hate soft strings. I thought about natural gut. All I know is that my racquet doesn't make a player and I need to work on my technique. It's terrible that I got to play so many years with trainers who disrespected teaching me. What's the most powerful racquet? Heavier racquets are harder to manoeuvre, what disadvantages do light racquet have?
I wonder if it's our nationality thing but 3/4 of my 4 trainers I played suggested that 300 g racquet for a woman is bad.. They think 285 g is max. I felt stupid because they played with 295/300 g so basically I had the same/heavier racquet. I asked some females at the club and she played with 280 g head racquet and she was way better than me. Is Clash a powerful racquet?
As poster above has already said, I think string choice is ultimately personal. If you think that you’re playing your best tennis and don’t get any arm pains after playing, what’s stopping you from using soft strings? I do think that it’s kinda bull that your coaches dictated your string preferences and thought that they know what’s the best for you personally.

If you want to try poly though, try using soft polyester strings first. Something like Isospeed Cream or PolyTour Air and strung it in the low to mid 40s LBS (maybe around 19-20kgs). ALU Power is on the stiffer side of co-poly, and if it's being strung so high in tension, it's not a surprise for me if you dislike it. As another tip, use TW’s Compare String Tool to find the softest polyester strings which are available in your local store. If you still feel any kind of discomfort, it’s pretty safe to assume using poly might not be for you, but once again it doesn’t mean that you’re less of a player than poly users.

I don’t know what’s objectively the most powerful frames on the market currently, but I played with my friend’s Pure Drive Tour a while ago and thought that thing has an insane amount of power - definitely far too much for my own game. It’s also very stiff, so it’s pretty likely you wouldn’t like it.

According to Tecnifibre’s Lab - written on the back of their multi string packages - light racquets (below 300 grams) "generate 43% less power and produce 18% more shocks". I cannot verify if these percentages are scientifically accurate or just another marketing gimmick, but I think there’s at least a grain of truth somewhere in those numbers. I feel like whenever I manage to focus and be consistent with my footworks, it’s easier to generate depth, especially from defensive positions, against better players by using heavier racquets. Heft also helps with stability too, IME, so heavier racquets generally speaking don’t get pushed around as easily as lighter ones especially at net.

I’d say yeah, Clash is a powerful racket. Try to look for and demo Clash 100L ver. if you want to use something lighter than 300 grams. It’s 285 grams unstrung, I believe. Hope it suits your game.
 

liriel

New User
Thank you, I wanted to strung the fabricated strings differently and to be honest choose the strings to NXT probably. Why such strings are considered way worse than poly? I'm genuinely curious. Clash 100L. I definitely'll demo it!
 

Jay Winzenz

New User
Pro Kennex Ki5 300
Angell ASL 3
Volkl V1 mp - it's stiff but lots of comfort tech
Donnay Allwood
I second the Angell ASL3. My 15 year old daughter switched to it and really likes it. She also demoed Yonex Ezone 100, Clash 100L, Clash 98, and Blade 104 (both CV and V7)
 
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