Francis Roig Talks About the Possibilities of Rafael Nadal Skipping Miami After Indian Wells

[octobrina10]

Okay, my bad . I think he should play every 1000 Masters and 500 to get no1 ranking since it has nothing to do with his injury . I guess we have an agreement here

7 ATP 250 + ATP 500 tournaments count towards a player's ranking, it's useless to play more.

 

[Patriots]

7 ATP 250 + ATP 500 tournaments count towards a player's ranking, it's useless to play more.

The great Nicolay Davydenko would disagree.

 

[NeutralFan]

7 ATP 250 + ATP 500 tournaments count towards a player's ranking, it's useless to play more.

Thanks for doing away with my ignorance ,Octo. I was not trying to cheat the users here.

 

[octobrina10]

The great Nicolay Davydenko would disagree.

I wonder what the current ATP ranking structure and formula have to do with Davidenko.

 

[Patriots]

I wonder what the current ATP ranking structure and formula have to do with Davidenko.

Just a joke about the reference of not needing to play above a minimum amount of tournaments:

Nicolay "have racket will travel" Davydenko

Year and Tournaments Played
2003 33
2004 31
2005 30
2006 32
2007 30

Mind you, he was ranked top 5 in the last 3 of those years

 

[Nadal's Universe]

Melbourne
Australian Open
Acapulco
Indian Wells
Monte Carlo
Barcelona
Rome
Roland Garros
Wimbledon
Canada
Cincinnati
US Open

Stop! at the end of a perfect season. With the CYGS, YE No 1 and 12 tournament wins ..... One can dream.

I don't think Rafa will play Canada and Cincy back to back and have just one week rest before US Open. Rafa might opt to play Washington and Canada back to back then have 2 weeks rest before Us open., On the contrary, he might choose to play warm up tourneys whose surface is the same as the Us open, LAYKOLD. Which warm-up tourneys?

 

[Silverbullet96]

Miami is utterly irrelevant. No way Nadal will waste his time playing there.

Nah! Glorified exo.

So whatever tournament Nadal sucks at is "utterly irrelevant" huh ?

 

[octobrina10]

Just a joke about the reference of not needing to play above a minimum amount of tournaments:

Nicolay "have racket will travel" Davydenko

Year and Tournaments Played
2003 33
2004 31
2005 30
2006 32
2007 30

Mind you, he was ranked top 5 in the last 3 of those years

He earned money from each tournament, but the number of tournaments counting towards a player ranking has always been limited. Maybe he had to play a lot of tournaments to earn (decent) money, because he lost early.

 

[octobrina10]

I don't think Rafa will play Canada and Cincy back to back and have just one week rest before US Open. Rafa might opt to play Washington and Canada back to back then have 2 weeks rest before Us open., On the contrary, he might choose to play warm up tourneys whose surface is the same as the Us open, LAYKOLD. Which warm-up tourneys?

He has skipped Cincy, when he has won the Canada Masters. (And has vacationed in the Bahamas, instead.)

 

[Nadal - GOAT]

7 ATP 250 + ATP 500 tournaments count towards a player's ranking, it's useless to play more.

I think best 6 of ATP 250 + 500 count for rankings

 

[octobrina10]

I think best 6 of ATP 250 + 500 count for rankings

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[Subway Tennis]

Melbourne
Australian Open
Acapulco
Indian Wells
Monte Carlo
Barcelona
Rome
Roland Garros
Wimbledon
Canada
Cincinnati
US Open

Stop! at the end of a perfect season. With the CYGS, YE No 1 and 12 tournament wins ..... One can dream.

Thats a perfect calendar. The only additions I would make "just for fun" would be Laver Cup (to see Rafa and Roger together) and Queens before Wimbledon. The Queens thing is just to get some extra fun from seeing Rafa on grass a bit more rather than being for performance reasons. Rafa no longer requires a lot of matches leading into a major, which is a great thing.

 

[clayqueen]

Interesting to me how people on the forum bemoan the difficulty players who aren't high ranked have making a living, yet seem to want to see the top ranked players who don't need it take the loot. Personally I like Nadal very much but would love to see a lesser player who could really use the money and the exposure break though and win IW, and other tournaments.

The lesser players have to earn it no one handed anything to the top players.

 

[clayqueen]

Rafa hasn't played grasscourt tournaments ahead of Wimbledon for years. He has played exhibition matches instead.

But that’s because he hasn’t been fit enough. He often promises to play Queens but his body doesn’t let him.

If he is fit enough this year playing Queens will help him at Wimbledon.

 

[clayqueen]

Why is Rafa playing so many tournaments ? Didn't he play too many tournament last year and got injured ?

No.

 

[clayqueen]

Okay, then he can get injured any time? Irrespective of number of tournaments he plays ?well, he played 7 tournaments and almost all were before he got injured so yeah he played lots of tournaments and some of his matches on clay were greulleing .

Rafa foot problem flared up during the 1st lockdown in 2020. He wasn’t fully fit when he played those 7 tournaments.

 

[NeutralFan]

Rafa foot problem flared up during the 1st lockdown in 2020. He wasn’t fully fit when he played those 7 tournaments.

I know you are a Nadal fangirl but playing that many hardcourt events +full clay schedule at the age of 36 doesn't make any sense and can lead to injury . Plus, he might be gassed when Wimbledon comes.

 

[Deleted member 788697]

I know you are a Nadal fangirl but playing that many hardcourt events +full clay schedule at the age of 36 doesn't make any sense and can lead to injury . Plus, he might be gassed when Wimbledon comes.

Yeah but he might be injured later in the year even if he doesn't play many events now, so best to cash-in on his good health while it lasts.
He likes winning titles, whether they're slams or not, he wants to win, and the good health gives him the chance to do it now.
Also, 36-year-old Nadal has nothing to do with any other 36-year-old tennis player, so for all we know he'll still be playing a heavy schedule and winning slams at age 40.

 

[NeutralFan]

Yeah but he might be injured later in the year even if he doesn't play many events now, so best to cash-in on his good health while it lasts.
He likes winning titles, whether they're slams or not, he wants to win, and the good health gives him the chance to do it now.
Also, 36-year-old Nadal has nothing to do with any other 36-year-old tennis player, so for all we know he'll still be playing a heavy schedule and winning slams at age 40.

Cash in on what? 500 and Masters 1000 when he can plan his schedule with aim to peak for the slams? What's the use of playing Apaculpo, Indian Wells then full clay schedule and then left nothing for Wimbledon. Anyone who think his body can take this at 36 is beyond deluded.

 

[Deleted member 788697]

Cash in on what? 500 and Masters 1000 when he can plan his schedule with aim to peak for the slams? What's the use of playing Apaculpo, Indian Wells then full clay schedule and then left nothing for Wimbledon. Anyone who think his body can take this at 36 is beyond deluded.

Yeah but he likes winning 500s and 1000s too, so even if he's peaking for slams, he's playing because he likes winning, period.
Nobody can say for sure what his body can take, maybe his foot treatment has alleviated the pressure on the rest of his body.

 

[NeutralFan]

Yeah but he likes winning 500s and 1000s too, so even if he's peaking for slams, he's playing because he likes winning, period.
Nobody can say for sure what his body can take, maybe his foot treatment has alleviated the pressure on the rest of his body.

Lol when he's injured fanbois like you make excuse that his body can't take full schedule .there are two possibilities 1- Nadal is not injured whenever he loses
2- he gets injured by overplaying. I don't think Nadal was injured last year in fo match , if he was injured he would have been cautious with his schedule which i don't see. Nadal critics are right about his injury claim at RG.

 

[clayqueen]

I know you are a Nadal fangirl but playing that many hardcourt events +full clay schedule at the age of 36 doesn't make any sense and can lead to injury . Plus, he might be gassed when Wimbledon comes.

You need to let Rafa and his team know how you feel about it.

 

[NeutralFan]

You need to let Rafa and his team know how you feel about it.

I would prefer to not buy Rafa's injury excuse if he loses , it's as cringe as peak Mythical fed never losing.

 

[D.Nalby12]

Still no Miami win Lol.

 

[D.Nalby12]

He doesn't need to play more tournaments than count towards a player's ranking.

He is overplaying already. Too much vulture efforts might lead to another "'career threatening" injury. Lol..

 

[Thriller]

I know you are a Nadal fangirl but playing that many hardcourt events +full clay schedule at the age of 36 doesn't make any sense and can lead to injury . Plus, he might be gassed when Wimbledon comes.

Fatigue is the only thing to guard against imo. Rafa needs 3 things to be amongst the favourites at any tournament, on any surface: happy, confident, and well. He seems so happy right now. Confidence you get from winning recent matches. Wellness is a combination of feeling fresh and injury-free.

From what Rafa tells us, the recent foot problems came as a result of inactivity during COVID. So he needs to keep moving.

Even at 36, and Rafa is by no means a typical 36, 12 tournaments a year is not over-playing.

Your worry is that these tournaments are concentrated in bursts, like the clay court season? Clay is the easiest surface on the lower limbs. Furthermore, if it goes to plan, winning lots of matches on the clay leading up to Roland Garros means that Rafa is at peak fitness and brim full of confidence at the start of the FO. Often overlooked, it also means that his closest rivals are demoralised. If no one could put a dent in him at BO3, what chance do they have in a BO5?

I think and hope he will play Madrid, only if he has an easy Barcelona (wins easily or loses early) but if it's a tough week he will save himself for Rome.

 

[NeutralFan]

Fatigue is the only thing to guard against imo. Rafa needs 3 things to be amongst the favourites at any tournament, on any surface: happy, confident, and well. He seems so happy right now. Confidence you get from winning recent matches. Wellness is a combination of feeling fresh and injury-free.

From what Rafa tells us, the recent foot problems came as a result of inactivity during COVID. So he needs to keep moving.

Even at 36, and Rafa is by no means a typical 36, 12 tournaments a year is not over-playing.

Your worry is that these tournaments are concentrated in bursts, like the clay court season? Clay is the easiest surface on the lower limbs. Furthermore, if it goes to plan, winning lots of matches on the clay leading up to Roland Garros means that Rafa is at peak fitness and brim full of confidence at the start of the FO. Often overlooked, it also means that his closest rivals are demoralised. If no one could put a dent in him at BO3, what chance do they have in a BO5?

I think and hope he will play Madrid, only if he has an easy Barcelona (wins easily or loses early) but if it's a tough week he will save himself for Rome.

You are a reasonable fan but I'll like to point out why His Wimbledon result has improved over ever since he shortened his clay schedule. After playing full clay schedule he gets gassed by Wimbledon comes. 3hc tournament after AO plus full clay schedule is going to get him tired , he's overplaying clearly.

 

[Thriller]

But that’s because he hasn’t been fit enough. He often promises to play Queens but his body doesn’t let him.

If he is fit enough this year playing Queens will help him at Wimbledon.

I think Rafa's aggressive game has improved so much that he can expect many more cheap points on grass which should really help him through the early rounds where he can be vulnerable. I really like his chances for Wimbledon if he stays healthy.

Assuming he has had a great clay court season and won lots of matches, including the FO final, it would be a good opportunity to rest before coming back for the grass and US hard court swing. I'd prefer that to Queens, as much as I would like to see him in person there.

 

[Thriller]

You are a reasonable fan but I'll like to point out why His Wimbledon result has improved over ever since he shortened his clay schedule. After playing full clay schedule he gets gassed by Wimbledon comes. 3hc tournament after AO plus full clay schedule is going to get him tired , he's overplaying clearly.

Thanks.
I don't think fatigue has ever been the issue. IMO Rafa does not get enough cheap points on his own serve on grass and that leaves him vulnerable in the early rounds as it is hard to break big servers on slick, low bouncing courts. With the exception of Darcis, that has been his problem.

I really like his aggressive game now. I hope and expect this will be less of a problem.

 

[Deleted member 788697]

Lol when he's injured fanbois like you make excuse that his body can't take full schedule .there are two possibilities 1- Nadal is not injured whenever he loses
2- he gets injured by overplaying. I don't think Nadal was injured last year in fo match , if he was injured he would have been cautious with his schedule which i don't see. Nadal critics are right about his injury claim at RG.

In other words, you don't know enough to advise Nadal on his schedule.
Also you got your "possibilities" wrong.
1) We know Nadal is injured, because he's been diagnosed.
2) Nadal has said he's always played in pain, so that means he doesn't reduce his schedule and be cautious..... he plays in pain, and if the pain becomes too much sometimes, then so be it.

And I've never had a problem with Nadal's schedule..... because I know he'll get injured at some point and that will give him 2 or 3 months of rest, and then he'll come back and win.
That is the nature of knee tendinitis, that is also the nature of Hoffa Syndrome, and that is also the nature of his foot defect.
All 3 of those conditions flare up when you play a lot, and then become more manageable when you rest and receive treatment.
So there is no reason to be cautious..... just play when you are relatively healthy, and take a break when you are not.

 

[NeutralFan]

In other words, you don't know enough to advise Nadal on his schedule.
Also you got your "possibilities" wrong.
1) We know Nadal is injured, because he's been diagnosed.
2) Nadal has said he's always played in pain, so that means he doesn't reduce his schedule and be cautious..... he plays in pain, and it the pain becomes too much sometimes, then so be it.

And I've never had a problem with Nadal's schedule..... because I know he'll get injured at some point and that will give him 2 or 3 months of rest, and then he'll come back and win.
That is the nature of knee tendinitis, that is also the nature of Hoffa Syndrome, and that is also the nature of his foot defect.
All 3 of those conditions flare up when you play a lot, and then become more manageable when you rest and receive treatment.
So there is no reason to be cautious..... just play when you are healthy, and take a break when you are not.

Come to my thread regarding Nadal being injured to make your point.

 

[Deleted member 788697]

Come to my thread regarding Nadal being injured to make your point.

My point has been made here, no need to repost it on some other thread, especially on an a-hole thread like yours.

 

[octobrina10]

He is overplaying already. Too much vulture efforts might lead to another "'career threatening" injury. Lol..

What always amazes me is that Rafa bashers are constantly generating false stories about Rafa and after doing this, falsely accuse "Nadal Camp" of creating those stories.
Post #96
https://tt.tennis-warehouse.com/ind...on”-acapulco-2022.720867/page-2#post-16204088

 

[NeutralFan]

My point has been made here, no need to repost it on some other thread, especially on an a-hole thread like yours.

Okay , you like Nadalalot

 

[vex]

Rafa should only play the minimum number of events he needs to tune himself for the slams. Literally should hit the yacht at all other times.

 

[octobrina10]

You are a reasonable fan but I'll like to point out why His Wimbledon result has improved over ever since he shortened his clay schedule. After playing full clay schedule he gets gassed by Wimbledon comes. 3hc tournament after AO plus full clay schedule is going to get him tired , he's overplaying clearly.

Rafa has never shortened his clay schedule.

Rafa's problem on grass courts has not been fatique. His problem has been that playing on grass causes more pain to his knees and vulnerable left foot than playing on other surfaces.
Grass is a soft surface, but, unlike high-bouncing clay, the ball bounces lower on grass and forces a player to bend his legs more, placing pressure on the player's knees. Besides, grass surfaces are a bit more unstable under feet than clay and that means extra pressure on Rafa's vulnerable knees and the left foot having a congenital bone anomaly.
Rafa (at his press conference in Cincinnati on 14 August 2013): "...I felt more trouble on grass because the movements are less stable and I need to play lower than on the rest of the surfaces."

 

[DIMI_D]

Let’s just win IW

 

[ewiewp]

Melbourne
Australian Open
Acapulco
Indian Wells
Monte Carlo
Barcelona
Rome
Roland Garros
Wimbledon
Canada
Cincinnati
US Open

Stop! at the end of a perfect season. With the CYGS, YE No 1 and 12 tournament wins ..... One can dream.

This is actually not really far fetched idea.

Rafa's winter season is defacto off season, needing rest for his left foot.
Effectively needs 6+ month rest/recovery every 2,3 years anyway, that usually include the winter seasons.

 

[_phantom]

Melbourne
Australian Open
Acapulco
Indian Wells
Monte Carlo
Barcelona
Rome
Roland Garros
Wimbledon
Canada
Cincinnati
US Open

Stop! at the end of a perfect season. With the CYGS, YE No 1 and 12 tournament wins ..... One can dream.

He will probably miss Cincinnati if he reaches the final in Canada. May play Madrid if he goes out early in Monte Carlo and Barcelona. Otherwise, it's the perfect schedule.

I hope he doesn't play Laver cup unless it's Federer's last appearance.

 

[Bud]

I want that Miami title.

You better start practicing then

 

[Gt86]

So whatever tournament Nadal sucks at is "utterly irrelevant" huh ?

You honestly think Miami has the prestige of Indian Wells or Rome? No way M1000s are truly equal prestige wise.

 

[Hold Me Back]

Nadal should play both tournaments especially now that Novak is out.

 

[bullfan]

Nadal isn‘t 21 anymore, he has to pick his battles…

 

[tennisjedi]

If Nadal is truly gonna play a full clay season then I'd prefer he skips Miami regardless of how well he does at Indian Wells.
He's not in his 20's anymore, and I don't want his foot to flare up again.
As much as I want him to win his 1st Miami title, I don't want him to overplay.