Frank Sinatra: Greatest Musician of all time?

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Anaconda

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Great vocal technique - posture, vibrato, crescendo etc
Certainly the greatest voice ever
Crowd pleaser - funny, charasmatic
Sings with feeling.


Personally, i really do think that Frankie was the greatest singer who has ever lived. Even at 70, he still sang twice as good as the best singers of today in their primes.

Yes all of the Mariah/Celine/Whitney fans will probably call me out on how Sinatra doesn't have a 10 octive vocal range, however the guy is the biggest icon music has ever seen (with the Beatles and Elvis) and is held in higher regard than any of those singers. He's immortal and will be remembered forever. The best thing the US ever did - Frank Sinatra


IMO the best song sang by the greatest singer ever
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=T6ya7ZRlrEo

Frank at 68
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=WV02nP9PLnQ



So what do you think, do you agree with me?
 
Great vocal technique - posture, vibrato, crescendo etc
Crowd pleaser - funny, charasmatic
Sings with feeling.

A very good voice. The greatest voice ever? Debatable.

As he never composed a single song, or play any instrument, I wouldn't say he's the greatest musician of all time. Some may argue if he can be called a 'musician' at all. Same with Elvis.

I wouldn't even call him the greatest SINGER of all time, either. A fantastic one? Hell yeah.
 
Anaconda: You have no idea how astoundingly absurd not only the premises of your 'argument' are (of which you are not aware, patently) but also how your conclusion is super-ridiculous (though conclusions based on faulty premises are always ridiculous in one sense this particular formulation seems especially wrong).

When you're older you might, might, know what I mean.
 
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Of course NOT the greatest musician of all time. He's not even a musician at all.

As far as popular culture and their pop icons, what can I say? They each give and get what they deserve. Personally, I wouldn't have walked across the street to see him perform.
 
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The best thing the US ever did was introduce this "musician"? :? LOL! Stop being a simpleton.
 
A pleasant, engaging saloon singer (the term HE favored) with an adequate though not very strong voice. More to the point, both he AND Michael Chang were born in Hoboken, NJ.
 
Xenakis said:
Anaconda: You have no idea how astoundingly absurd not only the premises of your 'argument' are (of which you are not aware, patently) but also how your conclusion is super-ridiculous (though conclusions based on faulty premises are always ridiculous in one sense this particular formulation seems especially wrong).

When you're older you might, might, know what I mean.
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I'm sorry. I should have used 'Musical artist' instead of musicians. I understand that Sinatra hasn't composed anything unlike Bach, Chopin etc

However i still reserve the right to say that Sinatra is in my mind the greatest singer in the world and also has the greatest voice ever. Cheers!
 
Andres said:
Great vocal technique - posture, vibrato, crescendo etc
Crowd pleaser - funny, charasmatic
Sings with feeling.

A very good voice. The greatest voice ever? Debatable.

As he never composed a single song, or play any instrument, I wouldn't say he's the greatest musician of all time. Some may argue if he can be called a 'musician' at all. Same with Elvis.

I wouldn't even call him the greatest SINGER of all time, either. A fantastic one? Hell yeah.
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I've already mentioned to that Nalby fan that i should have used to term 'musical artist' instead of musician.

Well, to be honest, the voice preference is personal opinion. I love his voice and his qualities. However vocal technique is fact, and his pronunciation is probably the best.

In your opinion, who do you think sings better and has a better voice?
 
ollinger said:
A pleasant, engaging saloon singer (the term HE favored) with an adequate though not very strong voice. More to the point, both he AND Michael Chang were born in Hoboken, NJ.
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Really? an adequate and not strong voice. Each to their own i guess.
 
Barry White once said Frank Sinatra and Frankie Valli were the two greatest White singers mainly because of their lyrical phraseology and intuitive sense of the music.
 
This is why these arguments are always meaningless. "Best" is always subjective, especially when it comes to something like singing which is not measurable at all. So you saying something like Sinatra is the best of all time, you can't believe a majority of people are going to agree w/ you, i.e you're just starting this thread to create (meaningless) argument and call out those that disagree w/ you. That is all.
 
jamesblakefan#1 said:
This is why these arguments are always meaningless. "Best" is always subjective, especially when it comes to something like singing which is not measurable at all. So you saying something like Sinatra is the best of all time, you can't believe a majority of people are going to agree w/ you, i.e you're just starting this thread to create (meaningless) argument and call out those that disagree w/ you. That is all.
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Nail, head, hit, the, on.

Obvious really but then I think the OP is about 16 so perhaps I/we should cut him some slack.
 
This very typical of Anaconda. He is a complete music snob who constantly seeks reassurances that his music tastes are elite and better than anyone else's. Too bad he never gets any.
 
jamesblakefan#1 said:
This is why these arguments are always meaningless. "Best" is always subjective, especially when it comes to something like singing which is not measurable at all. So you saying something like Sinatra is the best of all time, you can't believe a majority of people are going to agree w/ you, i.e you're just starting this thread to create (meaningless) argument and call out those that disagree w/ you. That is all.
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Hey, JamesBlakeFan#1 critisising fellow posters again. Firstly, i am not even arguing in this thread, actually quite a few people have tried to 'test' me but i haven't been 'calling' people out. I merely asked someone who their favourite was. Oh but i guess you don't live in reality where whenever someone makes a thread about who is GOAT, best then it is one of the 7 deadly sins.

LOL do you even believe yourself? Show me an arguement in this thread involving me? please indulge me.
 
Anaconda said:
Hey, JamesBlakeFan#1 critisising fellow posters again. Firstly, i am not even arguing in this thread, actually quite a few people have tried to 'test' me but i haven't been 'calling' people out. I merely asked someone who their favourite was. Oh but i guess you don't live in reality where whenever someone makes a thread about who is GOAT, best then it is one of the 7 deadly sins.

LOL do you even believe yourself? Show me an arguement in this thread involving me? please indulge me.
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The point still stands. Creating a thread like this about something as objective as singing, is only going to start arguments. No you aren't starting arguments, but there's been plenty of threads in the past where you resorted to arguing w/ anyone who disagreed w/ your musical tastes. Sorry if this isn't one of those.

You want my opinion? Sinatra's decent, but not versatile enough for my tastes. I've got nothing against him. Greatest voice ever? Agree to disagree w/ that one. Greatest musician ever? Guys like Stevie Wonder, Ray Charles, Marvin Gaye, Michael Jackson are more to my tastes.
 
jamesblakefan#1 said:
The point still stands. Creating a thread like this about something as objective as singing, is only going to start arguments. No you aren't starting arguments, but there's been plenty of threads in the past where you resorted to arguing w/ anyone who disagreed w/ your musical tastes. Sorry if this isn't one of those.

You want my opinion? Sinatra's decent, but not versatile enough for my tastes. I've got nothing against him. Greatest voice ever? Agree to disagree w/ that one. Greatest musician ever? Guys like Stevie Wonder, Ray Charles, Marvin Gaye, Michael Jackson are more to my tastes.
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I like Stevie Woner and Ray Charles. However i don't mind if a person isn't versitile; there have been many people that have attempted to sing many genres but are hopeless at most, if not all.

In all fairness i apologized to you in the Leona thread.
 
Yes, This thread was a good idea but Frank was never a musician. Start all over and use 'singer'. THAT he was...easily.
 
Anaconda said:
Great vocal technique - posture, vibrato, crescendo etc
Certainly the greatest voice ever
Crowd pleaser - funny, charasmatic
Sings with feeling.


Personally, i really do think that Frankie was the greatest singer who has ever lived. Even at 70, he still sang twice as good as the best singers of today in their primes.

Yes all of the Mariah/Celine/Whitney fans will probably call me out on how Sinatra doesn't have a 10 octive vocal range, however the guy is the biggest icon music has ever seen (with the Beatles and Elvis) and is held in higher regard than any of those singers. He's immortal and will be remembered forever. The best thing the US ever did - Frank Sinatra


IMO the best song sang by the greatest singer ever
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=T6ya7ZRlrEo

Frank at 68
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=WV02nP9PLnQ



So what do you think, do you agree with me?
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He had a great voice, no doubt about that. Did / does he play instrumnets? Nope.
Enough said.
 
Anaconda said:
Yes all of the Mariah/Celine/Whitney fans will probably call me out on how Sinatra doesn't have a 10 octive vocal range, however the guy... is held in higher regard than any of those singers.
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Not by anyone who knows anything about singing. By "knows anything about", I mean "has ever heard".
 
David_Is_Right said:
Not by anyone who knows anything about singing. By "knows anything about", I mean "has ever heard".
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Actually, Frank Sinatra, whether you like it or not is the biggest icon in music. That is fact. The guy is immortal. Yes those singers are great but won't be remembered like Frank is or mentioned even in the same breath as him. Sorry, but it's true.
 
Anaconda said:
Actually, Frank Sinatra, whether you like it or not is the biggest icon in music. That is fact. The guy is immortal. Yes those singers are great but won't be remembered like Frank is or mentioned even in the same breath as him. Sorry, but it's true.
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HA! Elvis? The Beatles? Michael Jackson? I think they all have something to say about your assertion as ol blue eyes as "the biggest icon in music".
 
Anaconda said:
Actually, Frank Sinatra, whether you like it or not is the biggest icon in music. That is fact. The guy is immortal. Yes those singers are great but won't be remembered like Frank is or mentioned even in the same breath as him. Sorry, but it's true.
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No,it is nothing more than your opinion.
 
jamesblakefan#1 said:
HA! Elvis? The Beatles? Michael Jackson? I think they all have something to say about your assertion as ol blue eyes as "the biggest icon in music".
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While i agree that Elvis and the Beatles, along with Frankie were the three biggest icons music will ever see, i will however add that Frank is the biggest iconic singer for vocal technique and ability.

- The Beatles made great songs etc but Paul Mcartney isn't in Sinatra's leage as far as vocal's are concerned.

- Elvis was great at some things but not so great at others (My Way, for instance. his performance actually goes down as the biggest My Way killing ever). He wasn't half the singer Frank was but was a great all round package - decent voice, had the looks etc.

- Sinatra was the voice.

So those three are the great three figure music will ever see, however if you're looking from the vocal side of things, then Sinatra is the biggest iconic vocalist ever. However you can say that Elvis is the biggest icon as far as personality/looks/entertainer ever. Beatles are the best band the world will ever see. Period.

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I didn't mention MJ because he isn't in their echelon. He can dance great and was a great all round entertainer. But he doesn't write as good as the Beatles, he didn't have a scratch on Frank in the vocal department and didn't have Elvis' charisma, personality or talent IMO. Icon? Yeah i'll give him that but in with those guys. Hell no!


And just for the record, i do actually like MJ's younger stuff.
 
Anaconda said:
While i agree that Elvis and the Beatles, along with Frankie were the three biggest icons music will ever see, i will however add that Frank is the biggest iconic singer for vocal technique and ability.

- The Beatles made great songs etc but Paul Mcartney isn't in Sinatra's leage as far as vocal's are concerned.

- Elvis was great at some things but not so great at others (My Way, for instance. his performance actually goes down as the biggest My Way killing ever). He wasn't half the singer Frank was but was a great all round package - decent voice, had the looks etc.

- Sinatra was the voice.

So those three are the great three figure music will ever see, however if you're looking from the vocal side of things, then Sinatra is the biggest iconic vocalist ever. However you can say that Elvis is the biggest icon as far as personality/looks/entertainer ever. Beatles are the best band the world will ever see. Period.

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Right. I think it's hard to explain Sinatra to the younger people because they haven't actually listened to a "40's Sinatra" album/cd. I encourage you to do it.
Every singer, who knows anything about singing, wishes they could sing as well as Sinatra. He's the Chairman of the Board.

I won't agree with the Beatles statement...I think McCartney/Lennon were one the best songwriting duo's but that's it.
 
Michael Jackson is one the most underrated singers ever. Technique wise, he was top notch. Incredibly versatile, smooth, aggressive, technically sound. His dancing takes all of out attention, but vocally, he was fantastic.

Some may or may not like his voice, his tone, his timbre. But technique-wise, he was one of the greats.

And for charisma/talent vs. Elvis? I think he stands pretty well in that comparison.
 
Andres said:
Michael Jackson is one the most underrated singers ever. Technique wise, he was top notch. Incredibly versatile, smooth, aggressive, technically sound. His dancing takes all of out attention, but vocally, he was fantastic.

Some may or may not like his voice, his tone, his timbre. But technique-wise, he was one of the greats.

And for charisma/talent vs. Elvis? I think he stands pretty well in that comparison.
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Being versatile isn't having great technique.

- Sinatra's vocal technique was top notch. Again, this is not opinion. This is FACT. His pronounciation of vowels, words, how he produces his sound due to his posture etc is having top notch vocal technique. Pavarotti, although i hate his singing and opera in general has top notch singing technique.

The quality of sound that MJ produces (or timbre as people call it) is good. Nothing special. He doesn't have the smoothness of Nat King cole, he doesn't have the raspness of Sinatra etc. I could go on but labelling MJ as a fantasic singer and saying he has top notch vocal technique is funny.



And the thing is, MJ was very good at what he did. However he wasn't that good when he was older. Singers like Tony Bennett & Frank sinatra still were technically very good (Tony Bennett still is) at the age of 70 +
 
Anaconda said:
Being versatile isn't having great technique.

- Sinatra's vocal technique was top notch. Again, this is not opinion. This is FACT. His pronounciation of vowels, words, how he produces his sound due to his posture etc is having top notch vocal technique. Pavarotti, although i hate his singing and opera in general has top notch singing technique.

The quality of sound that MJ produces (or timbre as people call it) is good. Nothing special. He doesn't have the smoothness of Nat King cole, he doesn't have the raspness of Sinatra etc. I could go on but labelling MJ as a fantasic singer and saying he has top notch vocal technique is funny.

And the thing is, MJ was very good at what he did. However he wasn't that good when he was older. Singers like Tony Bennett & Frank sinatra still were technically very good (Tony Bennett still is) at the age of 70 +
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You see this is why it's impossible to judge. You say Michael's singing isn't better? I really disagree, and I know a lot of others that would as well.

He wasn't good when he was older? What does that even matter? With something like singing you should judge peak level. You don't take away from Sampras b/c he lost to Bastl at Wimbledon, do you? If that was the case Connors and Agassi would be GOATs. Sorry to bring it back to tennis, but that's the only comparison I can make if you're saying older = better.

This is from his last studio album. http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=LChphqRiQcA

He still didn't have it? Even on "This is It" he still had it. If it wasn't for that whole 'dying' thing you know? And he was a great underrated songwriter. He didn't write as well as the Beatles? Again, something hard to measure and subjective on some level. But he is in the songwriter HOF.

http://www.songwritershalloffame.org/songs/detailed/C116
http://www.musicbyday.com/michael-jackson-as-a-hit-songwriter/469/
 
jamesblakefan#1 said:
You see this is why it's impossible to judge. You say Michael's singing isn't better? I really disagree, and I know a lot of others that would as well.

He wasn't good when he was older? What does that even matter? With something like singing you should judge peak level. You don't take away from Sampras b/c he lost to Bastl at Wimbledon, do you? If that was the case Connors and Agassi would be GOATs. Sorry to bring it back to tennis, but that's the only comparison I can make if you're saying older = better.

This is from his last studio album. http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=LChphqRiQcA

He still didn't have it? Even on "This is It" he still had it. If it wasn't for that whole 'dying' thing you know? And he was a great underrated songwriter. He didn't write as well as the Beatles? Again, something hard to measure and subjective on some level. But he is in the songwriter HOF.

http://www.songwritershalloffame.org/songs/detailed/C116
http://www.musicbyday.com/michael-jackson-as-a-hit-songwriter/469/
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IMO......................

Voice - Sinatra. No contest. However this is opinion
Pronounciation - Sinatra. No doubt. That is what makes Sinatra who he is.
Feeling - it's up to you whether you feel a song. However i feel emotion with Sinatra and on most MJ records i don't.

Proof!!!

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=oQAzOyUAquw


However that was when he was real young. This was his best song at the age of 60.

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=T6ya7ZRlrEo




PS, in the video comments i'm not arguing about rap music!
 
Anaconda said:
IMO......................

Voice - Sinatra. No contest. However this is opinion
Pronounciation - Sinatra. No doubt. That is what makes Sinatra who he is.
Feeling - it's up to you whether you feel a song. However i feel emotion with Sinatra and on most MJ records i don't.

Proof!!!

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=oQAzOyUAquw


However that was when he was real young. This was his best song at the age of 60.

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=T6ya7ZRlrEo




PS, in the video comments i'm not arguing about rap music!
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I feel like falling asleep while listening to Sinatra. Which goes back to my first post in this thread - "Best" is always subjective, especially when it comes to something like singing which is not measurable at all. Which is why this debate is meaningless. I prefer to enjoy music for what it is at different times. I don't like to debate music, I just like to listen to it and enjoy it for what it is. I don't feel the need to validate the artists I listen to as being the greatest ever - that stuff doesn't matter to me. I guess that's where you and I and a lot of others differ. But hey, to each his own.
 
Guys, just stop posting before you all fall further into the turgid vortex of the category error underworld. Resist the temptation to have the last word about whether so and so was better at such and such in the late 70s and so on, ad nauseum. Just let go, there's a whole world out there.

If it isn't patently clear already how astonishingly fatuous the terms of this 'debate' are there may be no hope.

Sad but true.
 
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Bad actor. Decent singer, but extremely overrated. Never liked any of his songs.

You want a great singer? Muslim Magomayev. That was a great singer.
 
just some random info:

the top 5 in American Idol are singing Frank songs tonight with Harry Connick Jr. as their "mentor"

John Lennon Saves.

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As American Idol has proven, the guy who serves you your fries may have as good a voice (or a better one) than Frank or anyone else in the music business. Having a great singing voice is pretty common, certainly nothing to crow about.
 
Sinatra is very good, but Bing Crosby and Dick Haymes (listen to Dick, you will be very impressed) had better voices and if not better phrasing...

Personally, I believe Perry Como was better than Frank in the singing department.

But no one had the flair like Dean Martin. Dino was always the man.

But they all fall short to my favorite singer of them all... Mario Lanza.

Vic Damone, Don Cornell, Al Martino, Jerry Vale, Tony Bennett, Frankie Laine can all give Frank a run for his money.

Now, if this was best singer of 1946 to 1960, then we can really debate about this...
 
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