Frankly, I feel bad for Medvedev

[InsideOut900]

Through singing all the Sinner praises, people still don't realize we haven't really gained anywhere near as much as from this Slam as some would think regarding tennis moving forward.

At the end of the day, Sinner put down a miserable Djokovic that Zverev and Medvedev would have beaten just as easily. But push come to shove, Medvedev made him look like a junior for 2 sets.

There were really only 2 good outcomes out of this match, either Sinner crushes Medvedev in straights and tennis moves on to a newer playing standard or Medvedev just plays the match of his life and has his moment under the sun again.

And instead Medvedev faltered physically and Sinner upped his game from mediocre to alright and then to good in set 5 and could have still lost at the tail end of the 4th.

All we got was a new Slam winner that proved once again he cannot handle hot opponents and Medvedev got a heartbreaking loss where he literally left all he had on the court after a brutal SF with Zverev, who was a much tougher opponent.

Through all the animosities people may have toward Medvedev, the guy is already getting forgotten over the Sinner-Alcaraz new rise and his only fault was being the wrong guy at the wrong time since 2019 while actually being the 2nd best HC player of the last few years.

 

[dking68]

I’m not, I’m happy he crushed the pusher

 

[JaxTeller]

Spot on tbh

 

[MeatTornado]

I agree with everything except the part about feeling bad for Medvedev.

 

[InsideOut900]

I’m not, I’m happy he crushed the pusher

No AO avatar yet?

 

[dking68]

No AO avatar yet?

Just changed it LOL

 

[3loudboys]

I feel for Daniil … his effort over the length of the tournament was titanic. Jannik though has made major improvements since the end of last year and fully deserves the win today. He beat Rublev, Djokovic and Daniil straight. For me at least that’s impressive.

 

[SpinWizard]

Same from me. I don't remember when was the last time i had so mixed feelings afer the final. On one hand Sinner deserved to win, played great whole tournament, beat Djokovic.

On the other hand Medvedev was clearly superior player once the match started. He was toying with Sinner for the first two sets. Also already had many tough, epic five setter coming to the final and he deserved this title as much as Sinner did. I just genuinely feel bad for Medvedev, another 2:0 lead in GS final that he lost... :/

 

[ADuck]

I feel sorry for Medvedev too

 

[Djokovic_is_the_best#1]

That was a terrific final. I completely disagree with your analysis.

 

[3loudboys]

Daniil should employ the ultra aggressive tactics more often. Also get to net more … proved he is good up there. Somebody coined the name Fedvedev which was funny but accurate.

 

[InsideOut900]

That was a terrific final. I completely disagree with your analysis.

You disagree with anything that involves looking at the level of play and match dynamic and not just result, sorry.

Would you claim Sinner won because he played amazing after 2nd set or was Medvedev slowly faltering the main reason?

 

[Djokovic_is_the_best#1]

You disagree with anything that involves looking at the level of play and match dynamic and not just result, sorry.

Would you claim Sinner won because he played amazing after 2nd set or was Medvedev slowly faltering the main reason?

It was a bit both. However, you are being disrespectful to sinner though. He raised his level big time and showed he’s a great champion. You are describing him as some vulture here. Poor analysis by you I’m afraid.

 

[messiahrobins]

Through singing all the Sinner praises, people still don't realize we haven't really gained anywhere near as much as from this Slam as some would think regarding tennis moving forward.

At the end of the day, Sinner put down a miserable Djokovic that Zverev and Medvedev would have beaten just as easily. But push come to shove, Medvedev made him look like a junior for 2 sets.

There were really only 2 good outcomes out of this match, either Sinner crushes Medvedev in straights and tennis moves on to a newer playing standard or Medvedev just plays the match of his life and has his moment under the sun again.

And instead Medvedev faltered physically and Sinner upped his game from mediocre to alright and then to good in set 5 and could have still lost at the tail end of the 4th.

All we got was a new Slam winner that proved once again he cannot handle hot opponents and Medvedev got a heartbreaking loss where he literally left all he had on the court after a brutal SF with Zverev, who was a much tougher opponent.

Through all the animosities people may have toward Medvedev, the guy is already getting forgotten over the Sinner-Alcaraz new rise and his only fault was being the wrong guy at the wrong time since 2019 while actually being the 2nd best HC player of the last few years.

I had predicted two weeks ago a zverev v sinner final. I said zverev would beat a choking sinner. Of course medvedev benefitted from zverev paying his alcaraz tax but the premise was sound as sinner was choking first two sets and medvedev was in control. However he paid his zverev tax as after the 2nd set he lost venom on the serve and ground strokes as his legs had gone and sinner with that bit more time is deadly.
Indian wells is huge. Now sinner has a slam will he stop choking and dominate. Or was this a case of the ideal court conditions helping his game. Will this rejuvenate alcaraz and make him get back down to business. Will medvedev become more aggressive which will benefit him. Will djokovic show the AO was an anamoly. Will nadal cause havoc with his unique style the tour hasnt faced for a while? Is zverev on his way to dominate as he actually produced the best tennis at the AO in patches. His court case is a problem formhim of course as its a distraction.
Medvedev wont be too down. He was nowhere near winning the match and inthink knew he had little chance tomwin unless sinner choked badly and he coild wrap it up in under 2 and a half hours.

 

[InsideOut900]

It was a bit both. However, you are being disrespectful to sinner though. He raised his level big time and showed he’s a great champion. You are describing him as some vulture here. Poor analysis by you I’m afraid.

He raised his level from C to B/B-. That's not poor analysis. Med's level in sets 1 and 2 was still significantly better than Sinner's in sets 3 and 4 and Med actually had a solid chance at 4-4 in the 4th to serve for the match.

5th set was nice from Sinner, I give him that.

 

[messiahrobins]

It was a bit both. However, you are being disrespectful to sinner though. He raised his level big time and showed he’s a great champion. You are describing him as some vulture here. Poor analysis by you I’m afraid.

The guy with most regrets is zverev. He i thought showed the highest level by far when he was playing well but he lost his chance to win in the 1st week. Had he been fresh he would hacve beat medvedev in straights and beat sinner today.
Sinner won the event as he kept his time on court to a minimum. That is a champions mindset.

 

[jl809]

Yeah I feel pretty gutted for Meddy, I don’t think he is necessarily worse than Sinner in the actual matchup, just was more knackered and had scoreboard pressure for the whole 2nd half serving 2nd. Sinner has a higher ceiling but didn’t bring it today

 

[Antonio Puente]

Medvedev did kill the CYGS, but you can't count on him for much else.

He did the dirty double in Melbourne.

 

[Djokovic_is_the_best#1]

The guy with most regrets is zverev. He i thought showed the highest level by far when he was playing well but he lost his chance to win in the 1st week. Had he been fresh he would hacve beat medvedev in straights and beat sinner today.
Sinner won the event as he kept his time on court to a minimum. That is a champions mindset.

Agreed. If anything sinner should be praised for being efficient this tournament. He reminded me of Fed at his peak in a way. Then even in a long match he still got the job done too.

Yeah Zverev was playing great but let it slip big time. He was dominating and then choked worse than meddy today. He will have more sleepless nights.

 

[Clay lover]

Medvedev being gassed was his own doing ... he could have made his matches easier but someone with his tools just couldn't...

Whereas Sinner played a more proactive style throughout the tournament and deserved the extra miles...

Physicality is part of the game, and having a game style that conserves it is also part of the game. As for whether Medvedev would have had an easier time in Sinner's half no one knows for sure

 

[messiahrobins]

Agreed. If anything sinner should be praised for being efficient this tournament. He reminded me of Fed at his peak in a way. Then even in a long match he still got the job done too.

Yeah Zverev was playing great but let it slip big time. He was dominating and then choked worse than meddy today. He will have more sleepless nights.

Totally agree. Missed opportunity for zverev. Medfedev got a round further than he perhaps should have so shpuld hold his head upmhigh.

 

[Hitman]

I do feel bad for Med.

 

[Hamnavoe]

Maybe I'd feel a bit bad for Medvedev if he didn't spend the early rounds struggling with guys like "Terence Atmane" and "Nuno Borges".

Him being tired at the end is entirely his own doing for failing to dispatch jobber players as a top player should.

 

[Mivic]

Sinner has a higher ceiling but didn’t bring it today

Did you not watch the first two sets of today’s match? For the moment I’m pretty sure Med has a higher top level than Sinner when he plays with urgency and uses his tools in a more proactive way. This idea that Sinner is some offensive juggernaut is a complete myth. He’s very solid and strikes the ball very cleanly yes but at the same time is clearly lacking in high end weaponry to put him above even someone like a zoning Med for the time being.

 

[Djokovic_is_the_best#1]

I like med but it’s his own fault for having 3 5 set matches before this one. You can’t feel that bad for him. There have been more heartbreaking losses than this.

 

[smalahove]

A tennis match is akin a tug of war. Medvedev started aggressive and hardly made any errors, but Bo5 is marathon and not a sprint. You could say he ran out of gas, or that he wore his tires too fast, so he got outlapped on the end stretch. Anyways, when you play aggressive tennis, with low net clearance, the margins of errors start to get smaller and smaller as the match progresses, as seen in the stats. Danil won the battle of UEs in the start of the match, but lost it in the end, fair and square.

 

[Djokovic_is_the_best#1]

Did you not watch the first two sets of today’s match? For the moment I’m pretty sure Med has a higher top level than Sinner when he plays with urgency and uses his tools in a more proactive way.

Disagree. Meddy is very good but once Sinner found his best he started pulling meddy around the court and blew him off the court. He can do this to any player.

It took Sinner a while to get going but once he did it get much tougher for meddy. Med surprised Sinner with his high level and aggressive level but sinner adapted well and came back.

 

[Kralingen]

Maybe I'd feel a bit bad for Medvedev if he didn't spend the early rounds struggling with guys like "Terence Atmane" and "Nuno Borges".

Him being tired at the end is entirely his own doing for failing to dispatch jobber players as a top player should.

Exactly. He acts as if he’s above playing actual good tennis until the semis these days, preferring to just grind and hope the other guy just keels over and chokes (which he invariably does)

The first 2 sets of the Final was a level befitting a Slam winner. Sadly, those sets were very few and far between this tournament.

 

[dking68]

Exactly. He acts as if he’s above playing actual good tennis until the semis these days, preferring to just grind and hope the other guy just keels over and chokes (which he invariably does)

The first 2 sets of the Final was a level befitting a Slam winner. Sadly, those sets were very few and far between this tournament.

He’s a pusher. I knew after the third set Sinner would turn it around

 

[King_ Zeglan12]

Medvedev significantly outplayed Sinner in the first two sets but at no point did I feel like Sinner was outplaying Medvedev except maybe in the fifth

Medvedev withered physically from the third and credit to Sinner for keeping a steady level but on equal terms Medvedev wins the match IMO

 

[Omega_7000]

He's a good player with a one dimensional game and not great. His results are in line with his game tbh considering he is playing in a very weak era.

 

[abmk]

I like med but it’s his own fault for having 3 5 set matches before this one. You can’t feel that bad for him. There have been more heartbreaking losses than this.

I do feel a tiny bit sorry for Med, but nothing more. He should have avoided 5-setters vs Russouvri (not top player) and Hurkacz (was up a break in the 4th set). Going 5 vs Zverev was fine considering how well Zverev was playing.

 

[Sport]

He’s a pusher. I knew after the third set Sinner would turn it around

A tier A pusher. Which makes Sinner's victory even more impressive.

 

[Arak]

I do not feel bad for Medvedev, but I’m not happy for Sinner either. They just happened to be in the final and one of them had to win it. Medvedev to be honest was very lucky to make it there and Sinner‘s level is that of a world number 5-6. Tournaments are just like that, sometimes better players are eliminated along the way due to bad matchups or tough draws. I’m glad the final was thrilling and exciting but let’s say it wasn’t a great spectacle of shot making and attractive tennis.

 

[NeutralFan]

Dude was lucky to be in final so I don't feel bad for him.

 

[dking68]

I do not feel bad for Medvedev, but I’m not happy for Sinner either. They just happened to be in the final and one of them had to win it. Medvedev to be honest was very lucky to make it there and Sinner‘s level is that of a world number 5-6. Tournaments are just like that, sometimes better players are eliminated along the way due to bad matchups or tough draws. I’m glad the final was thrilling and exciting but let’s say it wasn’t a great spectacle of shot making and attractive tennis.

i’d like to know what kind of herb you’ve been taking sir

 

[Hood_Man]

I have some sympathy with him but not much. He and the rest of the 90s kids have had the best part of a decade to take advantage of an ageing Djokodal, and for whatever reason whether it's them rising to the top of a depleted talent pool, or being too satisfied with ludicrously generous endorsement deals without grand slam success, or any number of other reasons, they haven't done it.

4 slam finals in 4ish years where the loser gave up a 2-0 lead.

Move over 90s kids, you were handed glory on a silver platter and you dropped it.

 

[Dominic & Andrey]

So Sinner is still a weak era mug who just got lucky then? Damn, we just can't have fun can we

 

[RF-18]

It's a really sad result. Would have been such a story to win a slam in this manner and especially after so many heartbreaks in finals. He played unbelievably well but he had to pay the price for spending so much time on the court. His legs were starting to fade already mid of 3rd set.

A 2nd slam would have kick started maybe something bigger for Med, but now I really don't know where he goes from here. It's like a killing blow losing another final like this.

 

[mahatma]

Sinner’s tennis was a whole new level in last set surely. Those nuclear forehands dtl were a sight to behold.

New era is here. It’s refreshing and it’s great for tennis.


Medvedev did hold his own as much as he could. He was undone by not having that killer shot which could push Sinner out of the court. He was tactically quite right today though. Infact at one point it could have been straight sets affair. Pro tennis at top level is very very competitive and both players here come out victorious pretty much.

Djokovic, Sinner, Medvedev, Alcaraz and Zverev aren’t too far in level at this point. Pretty much toss up in hard courts. Grass / Clay we will see - but ofcourse Alcaraz and Djokovic are ahead there

 

[ActualTennisPlayer]

It’s not sinners fault that medvedev needs a 5 setter to beat ruusovori and that medvedev was inferior to hurkasz and zverev and only won in 5 due to his grit, luck and mental fortitude.

Also who know how the first two sets look like if sinner didn’t have his first slam final and was nervous

 

[InsideOut900]

The final was almost a copy of the USO 2020 final in a sense. First 2 sets, 1 player is great and the other subpar, next 2 sets, 1 player is good and the other mediocre. Sinner raised his level in the 5th, while Medvedev sank even lower, so they never had a stretch where both played well at the same time, hence why all sets had a clear winner.

 

[3loudboys]

Jannik was understandably tense in the opening of his first slam final

 

[mike danny]

I mean, it’s his own fault for playing 3 five setters and losing lots of sets overall.

The Z match I can understand. But not the Hurkacz, Borges and Ruusuu matches

 

[Sport]

I mean, it’s his own fault for playing 3 five setters and losing lots of sets overall.

The Z match I can understand. But not the Hurkacz, Borges and Ruusuu matches

Hurkacz is an A+ server.

 

[3loudboys]

Hurkacz is an A+ server.

Yes he is

 

[mike danny]

Hurkacz is an A+ server.

But Med was up a break in the 4th

 

[Federer and Del Potro]

Nadal died for this.

 

[martinezownsclay]

I don't. Can't stand him. Thanks Sinner for taking out the thrash. The only good thing he ever did was stopping Djokovic from a farce Calendar Grand Slam.

 

[Arak]

i’d like to know what kind of herb you’ve been taking sir

You’re a fan of Sinner’s so I apologise for the perceived insult but that’s my genuine opinion about his level of play.