Mr Feeny
Hall of Fame
Did you stop following basketball after 2008? What year is this?
What the heck are you talking about?
What does 2008 have to do with anything?
If we're discussing titles won as lead dog, then only MJ, Duncan, Magic and Shaq have won more.
None of Duncan, Magic or Shaq have more mvps than Lebron ofcourse.
We're talking about the player who is:
#2 all time in PER
#1 all time in vorp
#1 all time in playoff ws/48
The single best scorer in elimination game history (3 ppg)
The single best scorer in game 7's history (30.8 ppg)
Most 40 point playoff games since Jordan
3rd all time in playoff assists
4th all time in playoff points (will be 2nd behind Jordan within 12 months)
All at the age of 31.
Don't come at me with team accomplishments either. As in individual player, nobody since Shaq (possible with the exception of Curry ) is even on a patch with lebron.
And certainly not the 24.9 ppg 44%fg career scorer who averages 40% in nba finals and 25% in finals game 7's.
What nonsense are you spouting? The inference was clearly that Kobe needed Shaq to win titles while he proved that he CLEARLY didn't and also became the ONLY all-time great to win more than one title without a fellow all-time great player (Gasol will only make hof based on foreign accomplishments, isn't top-75, 0 playoff wins before Kobe).
The bottom line is that LeBron would have ZERO titles without colluding. NONE. He is about to move to a pathetic 2-5 in the finals and he wouldn't have made it nearly that many times had it not been for his hiding in the East with the joke competition (another Nole parable). You LeBron/Nole fanboys can spout all you want about statistics but history remembers the context. LeBron needed the most stacked team in modern history to win a title like Novak needed a weak era to win the French. And this current Cavaliers team was supposed to have the makings of a super team but will fall utterly short again as LeBron fails yet AGAIN.
Two LOSERS.
A guy who averaged 15 ppg on 36% most certainly did need Shaq.
2009 Kobe was far removed from 200-2002 Kobe. 7 years later. This shouldn't be confusing to you.
Your idol is a 40% finals scorer and a 25% finals game 7 scorer. That says it all.
He's one of the worst players in nba history in the clutch and has 1 mvp in 20 years of basketball.
He's 23rd all time in PER.
His drpm is 0.1. Yes, you're reading that correctly.
We're comparing individuals. And there's a reason he's not considered a top 10 player by most fans. Espn, sports illustrated, realgm, Insidehoops or even social media.
Fans who do understand basketball know that comparing individuals is just that - Coomparing individuals.
And your hero just isn't that good, unfortunately.