tennis_pro
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You mean like Federer on clay until he was in his mid 30s?
How will you sing after Nadal "retires" from the grass season which is already rumoured.
French Open Final: [1] Rafa Nadal vs [7] Dominic Thiem
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How will you sing after Nadal "retires" from the grass season which is already rumoured.
Mike Sams
G.O.A.T.
He could've made the QF if he had beaten Del Potro which he likely should've. And Federer looked injured against Del Potro so who knows? Maybe Thiem would've made the SF.
tennis_pro
Bionic Poster
no because why would anyone want to fail so much?I bet someone will create a thread like this: Nadal to win 25 slams
Fedole
Semi-Pro
People thought he would win a set and then realised how ****ing good Nadal is on this court despite Thiem throwing everything at him for an hour. As for folding like a deck chair, you must have missed Delpo the other day.
If you judge everything on matches against Nadal at the French Open, you must think everyone is useless!
marc45
G.O.A.T.
Mike Sams
G.O.A.T.
Huh??? Are you stupid or something or just stupid? LOL!!!
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Tiki-Taka
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I abandoned it at the beginning of this year. After several complaints it felt like I would be truly annoying if I just ignored them all.What we have seen happening in tennis over the last 20 years or so proves categorically that past results and patterns have no bearing on future successes. And that's applicable to any aspect of life.
What's next? As far as Slam counts go, it remains very interesting. For the rest of the field, there's still some soul-searching to do. Federer and Nadal continue to hold up the old Big 4 fort, splitting the past 6 Slams between them!
And by the way, good to see you using a conventional font nowadays
Nostradamus
Bionic Poster
his finger had no feeling.... I think RAFA will have to take off the rest of the year to get that injury better...... See you Next year RAFA
Nadal15thslam
Hall of Fame
Because it's ttw and people predict things based on who the last Gs winner was. Remember the 2015 threads: Djokovic will win 20 slams?
I'm sick of hearing this. Thiem is #7 of the world right now, period. No number 2 on clay or whatever. Cut the crap. Let him win a clay m1000 before calling him that. Pretty sure Zedbot will gain in on him soon anyway so he won't be seeing a lot of RG finals in his career.
tennis_pro
Bionic Poster
yes and I mocked that concept several times at the time
If I didn't have to freeze my money for 10 years I would've bet a lot of cash on Federer ending up with more majors than Djokovic, the odds were even around early 2016 IIRC.
World Beater
Hall of Fame
Federer is no lock at Wimbledon.
Whereas Nadal looks extremely strong out there - solid, and consistent with little dips. he may surprise at Wimbledon with a run, and will be strong at the usopen. someone will have to outplay him there..who? Delpo? Shapovalov?
Federer still can blow hot and cold, and is much more vulnerable...
Nadal's defense alone will beat most guys on tour these days even on the faster surfaces.
Whereas Nadal looks extremely strong out there - solid, and consistent with little dips. he may surprise at Wimbledon with a run, and will be strong at the usopen. someone will have to outplay him there..who? Delpo? Shapovalov?
Federer still can blow hot and cold, and is much more vulnerable...
Nadal's defense alone will beat most guys on tour these days even on the faster surfaces.
Steve0904
Talk Tennis Guru
Steve ... get over it or take some anti-depressants man! When Federer won Wimbledon last year beating a bunch of worthless players, you didn't say a f*ucking thing about the next generation being cra*p. yet Nadal wins a slam and you write a half-page essay about it?
By the way, I'm in full agreement with your point though
Why did you think I was angry? I've been saying that Nadal would win RG since at least April after I saw his first couple matches in MC. I'm not depressed about anything. I even mentioned in this thread that I was partly enjoying watching Thiem get the crap kicked out of him.
DreddyTennis45
Hall of Fame
That's true but outside of the french open he's never reached a slam QF or won a single Masters 1000 despite three of them being on his favourite suface lmfao.
Nobody is denying Nadal's greatness on clay but Outside of clay thiem is a top 50 player at best.
Steve0904
Talk Tennis Guru
Is that what you call it? Pretty lame tbh.
Fedole
Semi-Pro
Zedbot was miles away in the QF's, he will always be out-moved by Thiem on this court. As for the #7 thing... cut the crap, bro.
Mike Sams
G.O.A.T.
Nadal may have blown his full load in the clay season as he tends to do. And won't be ready to go hard until US Open. Although it will be likely a bigger task this time around. Nadal isn't known for defending Slams successfully off clay.
Fedole
Semi-Pro
You've done it there man. I can't respond to that!
George Turner
Hall of Fame
Well guys i missed the whole match because of real life. Doesn't sound like i missed anything, i'll watch the highlights at some point.
I think Thiem does deserve criticism, he may be nicknamed the prince of clay but what use is that title if he's unable to do any better against Nadal at the French than Bolelli, Haase, Marterer or Schwartzman.
They've had three matches at RG now and Thiem has won a combined 23 games without even reaching 5 games in a set. These are not good contests.
I think Thiem does deserve criticism, he may be nicknamed the prince of clay but what use is that title if he's unable to do any better against Nadal at the French than Bolelli, Haase, Marterer or Schwartzman.
They've had three matches at RG now and Thiem has won a combined 23 games without even reaching 5 games in a set. These are not good contests.
Mike Sams
G.O.A.T.
Let's see them play on wet clay and blue clay instead of sunny, bouncy clay.
Doctor/Lawyer Red Devil
Talk Tennis Guru
Looks like he still won't be surrendering this to anyone else for a while.
Legend of Borg
G.O.A.T.
lmao 100% agreed
Legend of Borg
G.O.A.T.
isn't bresnik like his second father or something?
it seems to me in this case it's the coach pulling all the strings and playing thiem like a puppet but i hope i'm wrong
clout
Hall of Fame
That's actually ridiculous. If u exclude what nadal has done OFF clay, he'll still have the same amount of slams as the great Bjorn Borg. And if u exclude what he's done ON clay, he'll still have the same amount of slams as other past tennis legends such as Boris Becker and Stefan edberg. He's surely gotta be at least a top 2/3 player of all time by now even if he decides to retire at this very moment.
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Nostradamus
Bionic Poster
Wait a minute.... James Blake just said super Quick conditions actually Favor Thiem......like at Madrid. so does this mean if it was Hot Sunny day today for the final,, thiem had better chance of winning ????
cucio
Legend
Nadal has likely broken clay court tennis forever for those who care about titles and stats, he has knocked the ball way out of the park. When he retires, even the future Gugas or Musters, which will be mighty giants on their own, will look like flashes in a pan. Winning just a measly 3-4 RG's? Meh.
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ACE of Hearts
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Thiem’s style is perfect for nadal. He seems to handle guys with the one handed in clay without much issues. Nadal played well in this match i felt especially on his serve.
toby55555
Hall of Fame
don't point at my avatar it's rude!
TheGhostOfAgassi
Talk Tennis Guru
BUT he reached the final!!!
That is something new. His first ever GS final. Its a BIG deal!! And good experience.
Nadal15thslam
Hall of Fame
So happy for today's victory but that Ao loss still hurts after so much time... It would've been 19-18 now.
George Turner
Hall of Fame
Yes but lets face it, if he was in Nadals half he would never have got to the final
It is a good experience, hopefully for him next time Nadal isn't the opponent. He's already proven he can beat anyone else in the field but i'm disappointed the "prince" cannot do better against Nadal than early round journeymen.
Mainad
Bionic Poster
So Rafa completes La Undécima with 11 titles at Roland Garros, 11 at Monte Carlo and 11 at Barcelona. The milestones just keep coming and going. At this rate, who would dare bet against La Duodécima in 2019??
Thiem is the 7th different opponent Nadal has faced in finals at RG (others being Puerta, Federer, Söderling, Djokovic, Ferrer and Wawrinka) and, like them, ultimately came up short. At least he managed more games (9) than did Ferrer in 2013 (8) or Wawrinka last year (6).
Thiem is the 7th different opponent Nadal has faced in finals at RG (others being Puerta, Federer, Söderling, Djokovic, Ferrer and Wawrinka) and, like them, ultimately came up short. At least he managed more games (9) than did Ferrer in 2013 (8) or Wawrinka last year (6).
The_Order
G.O.A.T.
You obviously didn't watch. Even though Nadal was in pain, he was still capable of playing so to say he could barely play is absolute rubbish.
And yeah, smart people will still rate Thiem. He's obviously not the calibre of Nadal on clay, but he is still a pretty damn good clay courter who will no doubt win RG one day.
World Beater
Hall of Fame
Federer still remains the closest who took took rafa into the 5th set in a rg final...(i.e. breaker in the 4th set).
Rafa may not be as fast as 2005 but his game is much more refined on clay. he has it all.
can thiem improve his net game, court sense, drop shots etc...seems like a really tall order...don't think he can beat this rafa...he will have to wait for nadal's level to come down...
Rafa may not be as fast as 2005 but his game is much more refined on clay. he has it all.
can thiem improve his net game, court sense, drop shots etc...seems like a really tall order...don't think he can beat this rafa...he will have to wait for nadal's level to come down...
Meles
Bionic Poster
I think Thiem and Nadal did as they both ignored him in their speeches.
Poisoned Slice
Bionic Poster
I think Thiem and Nadal did as they both ignored him in their speeches.
lol
Get off our court, old man.
mightyjeditribble
Hall of Fame
And if Fed had won Wimbledon 2008, it might have been 21-17 ... As Rafa said after that match, he had won some close ones also against Roger. Can't have them all - let's just be happy & amazed at what they both achieved.
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TheGhostOfAgassi
Talk Tennis Guru
Meles
Bionic Poster
That is what Thiem has been doing all tournament and Nadal was camped out wide for return so Thiem went down the tee. He actually played a decent match and altered his serving in the 2nd to get his first percentage up. This was a big, big improvement from last year when he was out of the match early in the 2nd.
I would have liked to have seen more drop shots, but not exactly a go to shot with Nadal.
Meles
Bionic Poster
This is pretty much it. Thiem is at his speed peak this year. He may add a bit to his serve game and stamina, but don't see that getting him over the line against this Nadal. Would have been interesting if the conditions were even heavier.
Meles
Bionic Poster
Rosewall's comment actually denigrated Nadal's win at the same time.
Mike Sams
G.O.A.T.
What about the future Nadals? A lot of kids are emulating Nadal's style coming up, and they're building their game for clay. Who knows what we'll see in the next few generations? Maybe the future Nadal will come right from Nadal's own tennis academy.
MatsPhilander
Legend
Mainad
Bionic Poster
I did and was a bit startled to hear him say it. I thought it was a bit tactless to say the least especially as the cameras immediately swung to focus on Thiem's forelorn face after he said it. Not Kenny's finest moment but he's 83 and an ATG so I guess we should cut him some slack!
Meles
Bionic Poster
LOL. I'd love to see him laying it down on Fraud at a couple trophy ceremonies. You guys would have a fit.
Rickenbacker4003
Hall of Fame
Rumoured by who? You?
abmk
Bionic Poster
LOL. I'd love to see him laying it down on Fraud at a couple trophy ceremonies. You guys would have a fit.
Nope, not at all. I wouldn't mind anyone laying into Federer for RG 08 final perf. for example. In fact, given a chance, I'd do it myself.
Krish0608
Legend
With all due respect. It was not on Nadal's racquet.
Meles
Bionic Poster
Its done and I got rained on a bit at the end unlike Dull.
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