French Open will decide GOAT

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Pantera

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Congratulations to Federer as personally I thought he was done winning anything above 500 events, albeit it is a long time since he beat a top 5 player, happy to be corrected on that point but I think its over a year?

If Federer or Djokovic wins the FO in a couple of months then they are GOAT, if Nadal wins it he has to be GOAT as 12 Majors at the toughest slam plus Olympic Gold and multiple slams on each surface and leader of Masters 1000 table would give him the nod.

My prediction for FO...….Thiem!! So the debate will continue thank god given the utter drivel the Next Gen are.
 
Pantera said:
Congratulations to Federer as personally I thought he was done winning anything above 500 events, albeit it is a long time since he beat a top 5 player, happy to be corrected on that point but I think its over a year?

If Federer or Djokovic wins the FO in a couple of months then they are GOAT, if Nadal wins it he has to be GOAT as 12 Majors at the toughest slam plus Olympic Gold and multiple slams on each surface and leader of Masters 1000 table would give him the nod.

My prediction for FO...….Thiem!! So the debate will continue thank god given the utter drivel the Next Gen are.
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There is no "GOAT" winning f O will only add another gs to their already illustrious career.
 
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http://bleacherreport.com/articles/...best-ever-showing-tennis-what-it-sorely-lacks
http://www.foxsports.com/tennis/sto...and-slam-best-ever-greatest-goat-match-012917
http://tennismash.com/2017/01/28/fedal-final-the-most-important-ever-says-wilander/
http://www.abc.net.au/news/2017-01-...derer-vs-nadal-tipped-as-biggest-ever/8221504
http://www.espn.com/tennis/story/_/...ralian-open-trophy-roger-federer-rafael-nadal
http://www.huffingtonpost.com.au/20...set-up-in-the-battle-of-best-ever_a_21702435/
http://www.smh.com.au/sport/tennis/...d-be-greatest-match-ever-20170124-gtxy50.html
http://edition.cnn.com/2017/01/27/sport/australian-open-tennis-nadal-federer-dimitrov/
https://thefield.scroll.in/828091/t...nally-settled-the-greatest-of-all-time-debate
 
Your premise that RG is the toughest slam is wrong and destroys the arguement

Lets pretend for a second it was a real tennis slam on equal footing to the US Open, Wimbledon, and Australian Open

Of the four Wimbledon still has the fewest winners since the start of the open era while having the largest field since the start of the open era (French and Australian being often skipped by players due to those tournaments' inferiority in all regards)
 
Funny how every slam is some huge deciding factor. Why is 12 RG plus Nadal's other achievements not enough, but 12 is? What's the barometer here?
 
Pantera said:
Congratulations to Federer as personally I thought he was done winning anything above 500 events, albeit it is a long time since he beat a top 5 player, happy to be corrected on that point but I think its over a year?

If Federer or Djokovic wins the FO in a couple of months then they are GOAT, if Nadal wins it he has to be GOAT as 12 Majors at the toughest slam plus Olympic Gold and multiple slams on each surface and leader of Masters 1000 table would give him the nod.

My prediction for FO...….Thiem!! So the debate will continue thank god given the utter drivel the Next Gen are.
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How long is it since Federer beat a top 10 player?

:cool:
 
Pantera said:
Congratulations to Federer as personally I thought he was done winning anything above 500 events, albeit it is a long time since he beat a top 5 player, happy to be corrected on that point but I think its over a year?

If Federer or Djokovic wins the FO in a couple of months then they are GOAT, if Nadal wins it he has to be GOAT as 12 Majors at the toughest slam plus Olympic Gold and multiple slams on each surface and leader of Masters 1000 table would give him the nod.

My prediction for FO...….Thiem!! So the debate will continue thank god given the utter drivel the Next Gen are.
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Top 5 guys too busy inventing pretend injuries and losing to mugs to reach Fed.
 
KINGROGER said:
Top 5 guys too busy inventing pretend injuries and losing to mugs to reach Fed.
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Like Fed lost to milkman before his likely encounter with Djokovic? Or losing to Robredo before meeting Nadal? Or withdrawing before yec final to avoid Djokovic ?I guess they learned it from Fed
 
Deon Sanders said:
Your premise that RG is the toughest slam is wrong and destroys the arguement

Lets pretend for a second it was a real tennis slam on equal footing to the US Open, Wimbledon, and Australian Open

Of the four Wimbledon still has the fewest winners since the start of the open era while having the largest field since the start of the open era (French and Australian being often skipped by players due to those tournaments' inferiority in all regards)
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Yep, even with Nadal's reign, the French still has the most number of different winners, making it the easiest slam to win.
 
Noletheking said:
Like Fed lost to milkman before his likely encounter with Djokovic? Or losing to Robredo before meeting Nadal? Or withdrawing before yec final to avoid Djokovic ?I guess they learned it from Fed
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Who learned it from Djokodal, the masters of avoiding in form Fed.
 
Service Ace said:
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http://bleacherreport.com/articles/...best-ever-showing-tennis-what-it-sorely-lacks
http://www.foxsports.com/tennis/sto...and-slam-best-ever-greatest-goat-match-012917
http://tennismash.com/2017/01/28/fedal-final-the-most-important-ever-says-wilander/
http://www.abc.net.au/news/2017-01-...derer-vs-nadal-tipped-as-biggest-ever/8221504
http://www.espn.com/tennis/story/_/...ralian-open-trophy-roger-federer-rafael-nadal
http://www.huffingtonpost.com.au/20...set-up-in-the-battle-of-best-ever_a_21702435/
http://www.smh.com.au/sport/tennis/...d-be-greatest-match-ever-20170124-gtxy50.html
http://edition.cnn.com/2017/01/27/sport/australian-open-tennis-nadal-federer-dimitrov/
https://thefield.scroll.in/828091/t...nally-settled-the-greatest-of-all-time-debate
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That post from 90's Clay always makes me laugh !
 
Noletheking said:
Lmao who want to avoid player who is their pigeon? Fed has been avoiding both forever . Only pigeon avoid his masters .
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Federer: 18/19 slam finals from 2005-2010

Nadal from 2005-2010: losses to Hewitt, Blake, Youzhny, Ferrer, Gonzalez, Tsonga, Murray, Murray

Djokovic from 2009-2010: losses to Roddick, Kohlschreiber, Haas, Tsonga right before facing on form Fed.

Who’s avoiding who again?:laughing:
 
KINGROGER said:
Federer: 18/19 slam finals from 2005-2010

Nadal from 2005-2010: losses to Hewitt, Blake, Youzhny, Ferrer, Gonzalez, Tsonga, Murray, Murray

Djokovic from 2009-2010: losses to Roddick, Kohlschreiber, Haas, Tsonga right before facing on form Fed.

Who’s avoiding who again?:laughing:
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What was Fed doing in diapers? Well he waited for weak era(03-07) to win most of his slams . Fed is DjoKdal pigeon (18-9 combined) wnd out of 9 6 came when DjoKdal were in diapers :p
 
Service Ace said:
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http://bleacherreport.com/articles/...best-ever-showing-tennis-what-it-sorely-lacks
http://www.foxsports.com/tennis/sto...and-slam-best-ever-greatest-goat-match-012917
http://tennismash.com/2017/01/28/fedal-final-the-most-important-ever-says-wilander/
http://www.abc.net.au/news/2017-01-...derer-vs-nadal-tipped-as-biggest-ever/8221504
http://www.espn.com/tennis/story/_/...ralian-open-trophy-roger-federer-rafael-nadal
http://www.huffingtonpost.com.au/20...set-up-in-the-battle-of-best-ever_a_21702435/
http://www.smh.com.au/sport/tennis/...d-be-greatest-match-ever-20170124-gtxy50.html
http://edition.cnn.com/2017/01/27/sport/australian-open-tennis-nadal-federer-dimitrov/
https://thefield.scroll.in/828091/t...nally-settled-the-greatest-of-all-time-debate
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So only 1 of 12 Grand Slam matches decides the GOAT? Yeah sure. Nadal leads Federer 9-3 in Grand Slams (including 4-3 outside clay). Nadal has won 75% of his Grand Slam matches against Federer.

Many media and McEnroe consider Wimbledon 2008 to be the greatest tennis match of all time:
https://www.bbc.com/sport/tennis/44517976
https://www.sportskeeda.com/tennis/the-greatest-match-of-all-time-10-years-on
https://www.theguardian.com/sport/2...l-nadal-wimbledons-greatest-final-a-decade-on
https://www.telegraph.co.uk/sport/t...ael-Nadal-victory-as-greatest-final-ever.html
https://www.thetoptens.com/greatest-tennis-matches/

In Wimbledon 2008 and Australian Open 2009 both were at their prime, unlike at the AO 2017 were both were outside their prime. Plus, Nadal defeated Federer on his favorite Grand Slam (Wimbledon). Still waiting to see Federer defeat Nadal at Roland Garros.

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Pantera said:
Congratulations to Federer as personally I thought he was done winning anything above 500 events, albeit it is a long time since he beat a top 5 player, happy to be corrected on that point but I think its over a year?

If Federer or Djokovic wins the FO in a couple of months then they are GOAT, if Nadal wins it he has to be GOAT as 12 Majors at the toughest slam plus Olympic Gold and multiple slams on each surface and leader of Masters 1000 table would give him the nod.

My prediction for FO...….Thiem!! So the debate will continue thank god given the utter drivel the Next Gen are.
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So if Domi wins it he must be the GOAT, no?
 
Sport said:
So only 1 of 12 Grand Slam matches decides the GOAT? Yeah sure. Nadal leads Federer 9-3 in Grand Slams (including 4-3 outside clay). Nadal has won 75% of his Grand Slam matches against Federer.

Many media and McEnroe consider Wimbledon 2008 to be the greatest tennis match of all time:
https://www.bbc.com/sport/tennis/44517976
https://www.sportskeeda.com/tennis/the-greatest-match-of-all-time-10-years-on
https://www.theguardian.com/sport/2...l-nadal-wimbledons-greatest-final-a-decade-on
https://www.telegraph.co.uk/sport/t...ael-Nadal-victory-as-greatest-final-ever.html
https://www.thetoptens.com/greatest-tennis-matches/

In Wimbledon 2008 and Australian Open 2009 both were at their prime, unlike at the AO 2017 were both were outside their prime.

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Nadal was gaining ground on Federer in both instances as Federer was slowly getting out of his peak and Federer himself said before them that he expects Nadal to supplant him everywhere, so none of those were indicative of any Earth-shattering conclusions.

However what happened in that AO final was something else, and considering the stakes .....

8-)
 
Noletheking said:
What was Fed doing in diapers? Well he waited for weak era(03-07) to win most of his slams . Fed is DjoKdal pigeon (18-9 combined) wnd out of 9 6 came when DjoKdal were in diapers :p
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Fed is 6-5 vs Nole before he entered old age. Nadal boosted his wins over Fed on clay and vs mono 08 Fed... not good enough to reach GOAT at USO 5 finals in a row from 2005 as 2nd seed...

20>>>>>>>>15

Nole is the weak era king. 0 competition since 2015 on any surface.
 
Tennis_Hands said:
Nadal was gaining ground on Federer in both instances as Federer was slowly getting out of his peak and Federer himself said before them that he expects Nadal to supplant him everywhere, so none of those were indicative of any Earth-shattering conclusions.

However what happened in that AO final was something else, and considering the stakes .....

:cool:
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"Slowly getting out his prime" = wins USO 2008 without facing Nadal, wins RG 2009 and WB 2009 without facing Nadal.

At age 26-27 he was in his prime, but lost to Nadal. It's so simple as that.
 
Sport said:
So only 1 of 12 Grand Slam matches decides the GOAT? Yeah sure. Nadal leads Federer 9-3 in Grand Slams (including 4-3 outside clay). Nadal has won 75% of his Grand Slam matches against Federer.

Many media and McEnroe consider Wimbledon 2008 to be the greatest tennis match of all time:
https://www.bbc.com/sport/tennis/44517976
https://www.sportskeeda.com/tennis/the-greatest-match-of-all-time-10-years-on
https://www.theguardian.com/sport/2...l-nadal-wimbledons-greatest-final-a-decade-on
https://www.telegraph.co.uk/sport/t...ael-Nadal-victory-as-greatest-final-ever.html
https://www.thetoptens.com/greatest-tennis-matches/

In Wimbledon 2008 and Australian Open 2009 both were at their prime, unlike at the AO 2017 were both were outside their prime. Plus, Nadal defeated Federer on his favorite Grand Slam (Wimbledon). Still waiting to see Federer defeat Nadal at Roland Garros.

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Greatest Match =/= Greatest Player. That was universally settled in 2017 by fans, media and pro players alike. Nuff said, no excuses.
 
Service Ace said:
Greatest Match =/= Greatest Player. That was universally settled in 2017 by fans, media and pro players alike. Nuff said, no excuses.
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Excuse excuse. Truth is 18 -9 against his both rivals.nevee heard of a goat who got owned by his 2 main rivals. Deal with it
 
KINGROGER said:
Fed is 6-5 vs Nole before he entered old age. Nadal boosted his wins over Fed on clay and vs mono 08 Fed... not good enough to reach GOAT at USO 5 finals in a row from 2005 as 2nd seed...

20>>>>>>>>15

Nole is the weak era king. 0 competition since 2015 on any surface.
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Fed won 3 slam of his meeting when Djokovic was In diaper. In this era it's tough for 18-23 players to win than 30plus player. Federer has been Djokovic pigeon since 2010 in us open and has been his pigeon in ao open since 2008 , Has been his pigeon in win since 2012. Deal with it. 9-6 slam meeting.
 
KINGROGER said:
Fed is 6-5 vs Nole before he entered old age. Nadal boosted his wins over Fed on clay and vs mono 08 Fed... not good enough to reach GOAT at USO 5 finals in a row from 2005 as 2nd seed...

20>>>>>>>>15

Nole is the weak era king. 0 competition since 2015 on any surface.
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Nole is weak era king ?even his weakest rival Murray was greater player than strongest player of 03-07 era.
 
Noletheking said:
Fed won 3 slam of his meeting when Djokovic was In diaper. In this era it's tough for 18-23 players to win than 30plus player. Federer has been Djokovic pigeon since 2010 in us open and has been his pigeon in ao open since 2008 , Has been his pigeon in win since 2012. Deal with it. 9-6 slam meeting.
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Fed had a paltry 2-0 lead before Djokovic first beat Federer at a slam. And that's writing off the 2007 US Open final, too, when Djokovic had a) won his last match against Federer just a few weeks ago, b) was a solid number three with multiple Masters titles under his belt and semifinal appearances at the last two slams, and c) would win the very next slam that was played.

Djokovic, to his credit, has gone toe-to-toe with Federer from 20 years of age, very early on in their rivalry. He and Fed were pretty much even in slam meetings until Fed reached his mid-30s, at which point Djokovic took the lead with four wins in a two-year span.
 
Service Ace said:
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http://bleacherreport.com/articles/...best-ever-showing-tennis-what-it-sorely-lacks
http://www.foxsports.com/tennis/sto...and-slam-best-ever-greatest-goat-match-012917
http://tennismash.com/2017/01/28/fedal-final-the-most-important-ever-says-wilander/
http://www.abc.net.au/news/2017-01-...derer-vs-nadal-tipped-as-biggest-ever/8221504
http://www.espn.com/tennis/story/_/...ralian-open-trophy-roger-federer-rafael-nadal
http://www.huffingtonpost.com.au/20...set-up-in-the-battle-of-best-ever_a_21702435/
http://www.smh.com.au/sport/tennis/...d-be-greatest-match-ever-20170124-gtxy50.html
http://edition.cnn.com/2017/01/27/sport/australian-open-tennis-nadal-federer-dimitrov/
https://thefield.scroll.in/828091/t...nally-settled-the-greatest-of-all-time-debate
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Yeah tennis specialist 90s Clay settled that debate long time ago. Not much more to say really...
 
Noletheking said:
You will bring matches where Djokodal were in diapers. Fed has been ducking them since 2010
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Well in that sense, my friend you're bringing the matches where fed was 70-80 years old and was on wheelchair...
Diaper babies can't be top3/4...
Anyways, I was saying about 2017-early18 matches where nole ducked fed.....
Whereas, fed has been reaching and taking defeats even in his worst years 2013, late2018, 2016 etc...
 
Noletheking said:
Fed won 3 slam of his meeting when Djokovic was In diaper. In this era it's tough for 18-23 players to win than 30plus player. Federer has been Djokovic pigeon since 2010 in us open and has been his pigeon in ao open since 2008 , Has been his pigeon in win since 2012. Deal with it. 9-6 slam meeting.
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Nole won 9/15 slams once Fed was a grandpa and Nadal was washed up LOL not quite a pigeon when he went 2-3 at slams in 2011-2012 with the US loss in 2011 being a huge fluke. 20>>>>>>15 slams with tougher competition deal with it.
 
Same
KINGROGER said:
Murray is same level as Roddick, Hewitt etc and Fed had Nadal on clay. Who did Nole have on any surface? LOL
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Level? Lmao he has more slam finals than both combined . Is it same level? Djokovic had Nadal, Murray, Wawa, Fed and they are all better than rod, Hewitt (who was lol after 2005) ,Nalbandian . Only a blind will agree that these players on par with Nadal, Murray, Fed ,Wawa.
 
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