Frenchie the Fireman, the Laserfibre MS200DX, and Me


Rackets Runyon

These days I go by the moniker of "Rackets Runyon," although I have been known otherwise in the past. This here's the tale of "Frenchie the Fireman," the Laserfibre MS200DX, and me.
Now, first yous all should know a bit about myself and Frenchie. We does much of the stringing for a major outfit of athletic clubs, as they like to call themselves these days. Frenchie, truthfully, is not really French at all. He's a big honkin' Scandahoovian hockey player. He is known as "Frenchie" because he developed a habit of wearing a beret on the court. So, Frenchie it is and ever shall be. Frenchie is also a real-life volunteer fireman. Now, just because of my moniker, let none of yous bums out there get any idea that Frenchie is anything less than 100% legitimate, honorable, and completely above board when it comes to fighting fires. He is not like those bums back in the Five Points in the 19th century. Those bums back then started as many fires as they put out, if you get my drift. Thank goodness, we all live in modern times...Anyway, Frenchie, he also does some of the buying for da clubs we string for.
Me? Little old Rackets? I'm what they call one of them long-time USRSA Master Racquet Techs and Stringing Certification Tester in these here parts of the purple mountains' majesties and amber waves of grain. I've strung on everything from old Ektelons to some of the fanciest Babolats. It's been in places as far and wide from Sumatra to Saskatoon and also at the Open in Noo Yawk and the Lipton, now the Nasdaq or whatever it wants to call itself these days, in Key Biscayne. As da kids put it these days, when it comes to stringing, I got some game.
So, it goes down like this. One day, Frenchie says to me, "Hey, Rackets! The boys in Chicago want to express their gratitude to us for all the business we given them. They wants to buy us a new machine we can put in one of the clubs."
"Frenchie, this quite fitting and proper that the Chicago outfit does this for us," says I. "After all, we is a very large account for them. What exactly do you have in mind that they procure for us?"
"Well," says Frenchie. "I don't think they'll spring for anything over two Gs. I been looking at those TW message boards and I am stricken with the Laserfibre MS200DX. It could be the bee's knees!"
"I have also seen these posts several times, but I have only seen pictures of said machine. It looks very high tech. Also, in years past, I have strung on somewaht similar type of continuous pull drop weight type machines when I did that contract for the Tecnifibre mob at the Open. Them was Pro Cord machines with single action clamps. As my memory serves, they was pretty good."
"Well, I want to get the Laserfibre with the single action clamps," says Frenchie.
"Oh, Frenchie. Very tres chic," says I.
Many weeks pass. In the meantime, I come into a new summer only, uh...operation, managing the tennis pro shop at Platinum Acres Country Club where the tennis director is an acquaintance of mine...a big shtarker named John Johnson who played for Wisconsin. As we are north of the Mason Dixon line, the summer season runs from may to about Labor Day. I am very busy during this time, as I am doing the Platinum Acres in addition to my year-round week at Big Louie's Club and Club 1066, both part of the chain for which Frenchie and I work. So, I do not see Frenchie for these many weeks.
Now, John Johnson has no working stringing machine at Platinum Acres because the previous manager took his with him when he left. At first, Johnson thinks he wants to buy a new machine for the shop. I tell him this will be a good investment. He asks me what machine he should get. Being that this is a summer only operation, I suggest options like the Ektelon Neos or the Laserfibre. But then, Johnson demurs. He asks me, "Rackets. Don't you have a machine that you could bring for the summer?'
Of course I do. It is my little hot rod stringer, known as Taiwan Tessie. As you may surmise by her moniker, Tessie is made in the Far East, as many machines are these days. Tessie is what I string on at home. Unlike a few of her ilk, Tessie is built like a brick house. She is a lockout design with an outstanding six point mounting turntable. A very cool thing about Tessie is that she also has optional screw-in inside mounting supports at slightly off 12 and 6 o'clock, as you would see on Ektelon, Prince, or Laserfibre machines. These are useful if one has to string some E-Force whackitball and other funny stuff. But normally, the standard supports at 12 and 6 are completely and totally superb. Together with the four quickly adjustable outside supports, a racquet can be mounted in about 30 seconds. Tessie is also a dual action clamp design, where her designer was bright enough to use these clamp rails to act as additional reinforcement for the turntable proper.
Did I imply that Tessie was purely Asian? Well, strictly speaking, Tessie is more accurately what you might call Eurasian. See, Tessie's original string clamps were not quite up to my standards. So, Tessie has been modified. She has the string clamps from my very first Babolat machine. These have been well cared for over the many years. How many years you ask? Well, these clamps are so old they have the original BMW logo on them. For you youngsters out there, I am not talking about some overpriced car from Bavaria. This BMW stands for Babolat Maillot Witt, the original name of the company. These Babolat clamps dropped right into the rail clamps on Tessie. As I said before, Tessie is what I call a hot rod stringer...or as the car kids might call it these days, a tuner stringer.
Anyway, back to Frenchie and me. So, I do not see Frenchie for these many weeks. But one day, Frenchie stops at Platinum Acres to pay us boys a visit and have a hit. Frenchie, who has a thing for racquets like what Imelda Marco had for shoes, brings along a couple of the new NCode Pro Staff 6.1 European editions with the desnse 18 by 20 pattern. This is months before Wilson decides it will sell this model in the US. Frenchie is always looking for that magic stick he does not need, as Frenchie has great strokes and hits the ball like a ton of bricks. Truth to tell, Frenchie's biggest problem related to his game is that he perhaps should partake of fewer pomme frites and barley and malt type beverages, if you get my drift. But who am I to tell Frenchie not to enjoy "la dolce vita?"
So I asks Frenchie, "Did you ever get the Laserfibre?"
"Oh yeah. A couple weeks ago."
"How does it work?"
I make nothing of it at the time, but Frenchie does not answer right away. But after this brief pause, he says, "Pretty good. It's a little different. Seems to string a bit looser than the Babolat."
As I says before, I take no mind of this. After all, it is the middle of summer and me, Rackets, is pretty busy. But then, one day in August, Frenchie stops out again at Platinum Acres to hit with us. He asks me, "Hey, Rackets. How'd you like to have a Laserfibre to string on at Club 1066, to replace the old EktelonH what is there?"
Now, the H is an older machine, but it has been upgraded with the new Neos clamps. Nothin' fancy, but considering I usually don't have more than a few rackets to do at 1066, it works. On the other hand, it is a bit of a pain to do fan pattern whackitball with. One must use a flying clamp on the outer mains, which is slightly bush league in my opinion. So, I says, "Sure, Frenchie. Whatever you say."
At this juncture, I should point out that the machine I do most of my stringing on is the Prince 3000 we have at Big Louie's. By me, this is one very fine machine. Super fast and secure mounting system, the turntable locks automaticallly when the tension is pulled, three speeds for the tension pull, and some nice string clamps. A real high class act. But Club 1066 does not do the business like at Big Louie's. So, I figure getting a Laserfibre is a step up.
More weeks pass. It is now past Labor Day. I am starting to wind things up at Platinum Acres. One day, I show up at Club 1066 and the old Ektelon is gone. In its place is a Laserfibre MS200DX with single action clamps...and no owner's manual in sight. I quickly get on the blower to Frenchie. "Hey, how about a manual for this thing?" I asks.
"Gee, I think it's in my office at the Slumbering Pines Club." This is where Frenchie teaches and does most of his stringing. "I'll fax it to you."
"Superb," says I.
So, I take the opportunity to familiarize myself with the Laserfibre. It looks sharp, but there are certain things I notice. First, the teeth on the string clamps are too far apart for my taste. Given how they need to fit into different string patterns, I wonder if this will be a problem with single action clamps. See, the slick single action clamp type machines I've strung on before actually had smaller clamps. Not badminton small mind you, but a good half inch smaller than the typical clamp you see on dual action designs. Those worked very well. These I think will be more, uh, problematic.
Next, is the tensioning mechanism and string jaws. This is what's sometimes called "a real piece of work," but in this case the engineer that comes to mind is Rube Goldberg or one of his next of kin. For those unacquainted with the late Mr. Goldberg, he was famous some fifty years ago for designing comically complicated incetions to perform relatively simple tasks. In its quest to have a so-called continuous pull machine that needs no electricity, Laserfibre has had to engineer everything else to work with this design that pulls downward.
The string tensioning jaws are like none I have ever seen elsewheres. Rather than laying the string into the jaws from above or wrapping the string around a drum head, the string must come into the tension head from one of two sides. And why are there two sides to the tension head? Because the racket is being strung in a horizontal plane and the tension is actually being pulled in a vertical plane, the string must be clamped from top and bottom, rather than side to side. Couple that with the fact that the turntable does not rotate a full 360 degrees, it only does about 320 or so before hitting some stops. Therefore at different times during the stringing process, it is highly advisable that the string be placed into a particular side of the tension head or you risk having the string pull itself out of the jaws when the tension is pulled. If that happens. the string will be pinched in the jaws. That means it will be flat-spotted or worse, it will break.
But that is not all that offends my sense of design. There is also the foot pedal for the tension pull. This foot pedal reminds me of the way One Man Band Mahoney used to play the bass drum on his back while at the same time being able to play both violin and harmonica. It is also somewhat reminiscient of the ancient Serrano design, which diappeared during the Bronze Age or the 1970s. Well, it will work, as long as one has the use of all their appendages. Wheelchair players and peg legs will have to look elsewhere.
The racket mounting part of the turntable is abit better, if more time consuming than on other machines. One must make about ten separate and distinct adjustments for every racquet. This is much more time consuming than on any other machine I can remember stringing on. However, when properly mounted, support for the racket is quite good, but certainly no better than on my Tessie.
However, I, Rackets must reserve his most serious criticism for the tension read-out scale. If the rigamarole one has to go through to change the tension range from 40-80 pouind to 16-40 pounds ain't bad enough, having to line up some curved reference lines on a plastic plate to a bolt sitting inside the machine takes the proverbial cake. ARE YOU KNUCKLEHEADS KIDDING? This is downright Neanderthal. Heck, on my Tessie, with its coarse and fine tension knobs, I can adjust the reference tension to as small an increment as about 1/4 pound if I so desire. Electronic machines sometime give you half-pound increments. Here, you is lucky if you are within two pounds. Ideally, with an analog read-out, you want to line up some fine straight lines against each other. Sadly, this is not the case with the Lasefibre.
Now, all this really makes not much difference for the crowd at Club 1066. Most of them get their rackets strung only when they break a string or every six months, whichever comes later. In my actual stringing on the MS200DX, my suspicions are largely confirmed. As machines go, it is best described as "quirky." The single action clamps have more "slip-back" than on the others I've strung on. It is no faster than Tessie and certainly slower than the Prince 3000. It is however, a bit faster than the old H I was using at 1066. But, when I compare it to the other available options out there, the MS200DX is a pretty odd duck.
Then, one day I stop by Slumbering Pines to see if Frenchie has a certain bumper set. I walk into the office the pros share and what does I see? Frenchie stringing on a brand spanking new Prince 3000!
"Frenchie," I says. "What gives?"
He looks at me. "Well, Rackets. Certain arrangements were made."
"Arrangements?" I asks. "You don't mean like some of my distant cousins would say, 'somebody got permanently vacationed?'"
"No, Rackets. Nothing like that. No bodies ended up in the trunk of a Lincoln Town Car. But no one else here wanted to string on the Laserfibre and I wasn't crazy about it myself."
"But Frenchie, you was the one who was so hot to trot for it in the first place."
"I know. But see, you know Bags, Our Bag Man?"
"Certainly. A fine, upstanding individual."
"Well, Bags wanted to do some stringing here, too. He's done a little in the past. He tried stringing on the Laserfibre."
"And?" I asks.
Frenchie hesitates a two-count before answering, just to build the suspense. "Rackets, let us just say that I did not know a Lutheran could have such a colorful vocabulary."
"I see," says I. "Well, at least we did not pay any real money for it."
Frenchie can see that I am somewhat perturbed by events as they have transpired. "Rackets, if you want, yous can have your old Ektelon back at Club 1066."
"No, Frenchie, things are more or less copacetic. I can take a certain perverse pleasure in stringing on the Laserfibre because I know no one elsewants to string on its most cattywampus design. Although as my much limited knowledge of perverse pleasures goes, this does not rank very high on the list. It is certainly below one of those 'Death by Chocolate' type desserts.
It is then that I am struck by a moment of inspiration. Maybe it was saying "cattywampus" that did it.
"Say, Frenchie."
"What, Rackets?"
"You know how the tensioning system on the Laserfibre pulls down?"
"Sure. What of it?"
"I think an individual could turn the Laserfibre into quite a racket catapult. Don't use the 12 o'clock hold-downs and figure out a way to release the 6 o'clock supports as you pull tension at say, 80 pounds. This would be just the thing to try with some old sticks after consuming some barley and malt type beverages!"
"This we will have to try in the future," says Frenchie.
"Think of it. Which flies farther, Wilson or Prince? Catapult a Volkl Catapult! Do Babolats go ballistic?"
"Easy, Rackets. Easy."

So, guys and dolls, there you have the true tale of Frenchie, me, and the Laserfibre MS200DX. I do string about seven to ten racquets per week on it. Would I string for tour pros on this machine? I think not. In my opinion it is not a machine with the consistency required for such work. Would I string natural gut with it? No, because I have better options. Given other machines out there, would I spend hard coin on one? Definitely not. Better options are available at the same price or less. Will club players be able to tell the difference between a racquet strung by me on this machine and one strung by me on something else? No, I know how to compensate for its problems. Do I string my own personal sticks on it? I do not. Did we try the MS200DX as a catapult. I'm still waiting for Frenchie to buy the beer.


Actually, the points made here are pretty frivolous. Ex: clamp teeth, they are just fine, fit nicely in any pattern. Also the thing about the tensioner damaging the string is pure BS.

Anyhow, I didn't read the whole thing because it's written in a very annoying way, but the term that comes to mind when reading this is that it must be written by a bubble head. I mean the guy won't string natural gut on this machine. This is one of the most gut friendly machines.

Rackets Runyon

Topspin: Hey, Pal! The points made are hardly "frivolous." The clamp teeth simply do not fit well into any pattern, not when compared to clamps from Babolat, Prince, Ektelon, Alpha, Gammma, TF/ProCord, and others. The string tensioning jaws are positively paleolithic compared to other stuff out there, so why should I string gut on this machine when I have much better options? Your claim that the LF is one of the most gut friendly machines is laughable, you're embarrassing yourself. The LF's ergonomics are also almost entirely second-rate. Well-built does not always mean well-designed or well-engineered. If you're a happy owner of an LF, who paid good money for it, more power to you. As I didn't have to spend any hard coin on this machine, I consider my comments quite objective. As someone who I sense probably did pay his hard coin for an LF, I think your comments are just attempting to justify your purchase.


Hall of Fame
I think the clamps are too bulky and should be refined as stated, however, they do not crush the strings and hold quite well. Some also on here feel that the double action clamps are a better choice than the singles in terms of accuracy for whatever that's worth.

Michael Chaho reported a noticeable jump in tension when switching from the MS200TT to the DX (about five pounds, and checked for calibration), but it's important to note that he did also switch the clamps as well, from single to double...again, take that for whatever that's worth.

For the record, I think the DX is definitely overpriced unless you can get one of their demo models or already own a TT and want to upgrade that way (i.e. just add the DX system, but keep your turntable and such), but their MS200TT is in no way overpriced compared to the competition in its price range.

Also, I do feel that conceptually Laserfibre's mounting design is top notch, and I see no problem with it whatsoever *unless* you are strinigng a ton of rackets everyday in which case I'd go the more traditional six point route or Neos route.

I think Laserfibre's real claim to fame lies in its TT as it brings true constant pull to the masses at a price range that most people can afford or justify...whereas when you start jumping over one you know how many more potentially useful things in life can be had for one plus grand than just a racket stringing machine? Of course, if tennis is important enough to you or bringing in money, it wouldn't matter. It's just a matter of choices.

For the record, Thomas Martinez is also a professional stringer and he clearly likes his DX with double action clamps. Is it the best machine out there? No, is it quirky? Definitely. Is it a keeper? Well, for some, yes, and others obviously no.

Overrated? Perhaps, but not if you know what you're getting into. It's not about being overrated, it's about evaluating for yourself as opinions vary.


Hall of Fame
Also, the DX has a very particular market niche. It's for people who want true constant pull WITHOUT electricity and without having to deal with the hassle of a dropweight. It's COMPLETELY alone in that category, and as such it cannot be overrated within its own niche when it is the only one. For the record, Laserfibre does make more traditional electronic, linear pull machines.

Their new Concorde machine looks to be electronically quite impressive, in fact. Still, good electronics are good pulls tension...and can even sings the "bells and whistles" blues too. What's potentially impressive, however, is the new design layout where the turntable can adjust on throat pulls for true straight line pulling on every string.

Still, I agree, that the clamp design should be refined...thinner and with more precise clamp tooth spacing and finger tip adjustment. Their double action clamp bases need to become more robust.
I dont frequent the stringing machine section but when my name poped up here I felt I need to reply,

Anyway, the DX is by far the fastest machine I have used, electronic linear pulls are sloooow and need claibration, did not even bother reading the original post, looks like pure BS to me,


great post! I don't think I've posted that much text on this whole message board, let alone in one single post. I'm surprised to see someone doesn't like the DX, as Laserfibre is reveared around here. I don't know why Topspin and Michael seem so eagre to wave the BS flag...the guy was just giving his opinions. He's strung with machines that he feels is better suited for his needs. How is that BS? I'm sure people can, and do, string up a racket quite nicely on a Laserfibre; but that doesn't mean it's the best option for every situation. If Rackets likes his Babolats and Princes and his own hot rod hybrids...more power to him. I for one appreciate some good info from the other side of the fence, someone who doesn't look at a laserfibre and is blinded by the light of God, but who can actually critique the machine and give some informative feedback.


Entertaining post. Of course it elicited the predictable response from the Laserfibre devotees, "BS". It is fun to read how the LF lovers get their shorts in a knot whenever anyone makes any negative comment toward their overpriced hardware. As mentioned they must be trying justifty to themselves that spending far more than they needed to to get a good quality stringer was a wise expenditure.


Hall of Fame
I like but do not love Laserfibre. I LOVE their mounting system even though it is slightly more of a hassle than others. However, while their clamps do not damage strings, I do feel that they should be updated to reflect the improvements that the competition has made. They're good clamps, but need to be refined considering that they keep on hiking up their prices.

I 100% agree that they overcharge and can get away with it, because they're more of a niche, boutique brand stringer than a mass market one in my opinion...they just do things a little different from the rest. Their mounting system, clamps, mounting table design, tensioning design, cosmetics, etc., etc. are all a little off the wall and quirky in my opinion, and this is why they inspire such ire and love on both sides of the fence I feel.

To me, there is no excuse for the Laserfibre DX selling at what it does, it should be several hundred dollars less considering you can get an electronic machine with bells and whistles and more refined, better machined clamps in that price range...though again, I've never had a problem with the Laserfibre clamps crushing strings or holding them, not one.

I think the TT is overpriced as well now that they've raised the price, however, when I look at the competition in that price range. The fact remains that it's still the only true constant pull machine at that price point except for the DG, which actually costs more. So I think that it balances out. Laserfibre's charging more than what they should given what it would cost them to build the machine, but at the same time it's price is justified relative to what others are charging in that range...where your choice is basically going the crank route or going for true constant-pull. If given the choice, I'd go true constant-pull every time.


Hall of Fame
Beyond the $1000 threshold, however, I would seriously entertain other options...though the DX would still remain a contender.


Koz, the stuff the guys says is pure BS. He clearly doens't know much about stringing. Try a MS200TT or any other Laserfibre machine for yourself.

I believe the poster is just another anti-laserfibre guy that pops up here on this board from time to time.

Trust is that: the teeth can be clamped on any pattern depending on where you position it, natural gut is not only easy to string, it's a breeze, the construction of the machine is top notch and really solid from every angle.

Just because I own one doesn't mean I can't be objective. That's the biggest bull that anti-laserfibre ppl post here. I researched every machine out there b4 making my purchase and I still like to see what's out there. And I would buy the MS200TT with single action clamps all over again without any hesitation. It's pricy yes, but still the best value, especially considering the resale value and the warranty and support.

So Runyan Pal!!! Plz do us all a favor and do not spend any money on this machine, because you clearly need to learn how to string. You're the one who's comments are embarrassing as they show that you are either too ignorant to know how to string or just posting this as part of the usual anti laserfibre agenda.

Cruzer, trust me I'm not regretting my purchase AT ALL. In fact, it's one of the best purchases I've made. The machine works great, is fun to use, and has paid for itself in about 100 string jobs. I got great support, I get consistent string jobs over and over. So I can't ask for more.

There are things I would improve on for sure, no machine is perfect. But the points that runyan boy pointed out in his little attempt at a story are just so out of it and any objective stringer will tell you the same.
To me, there is no excuse for the Laserfibre DX selling at what it does, it should be several hundred dollars less considering you can get an electronic machine with bells and whistles and more refined, better machined clamps in that price range

yeh like the electronic from eganas and silent partner :wink:


Hall of Fame
Haha, even I must admit that's a good one...but actually, I think that the higher end Eagnas machines are actually pretty good from what I've heard...just that if you have a problem, you better be UNBELIEVABLY lucky if you want Eagnas to do a thing, of course...lie, cheat, and steal to borrow a phrase from Eddie Guerrero.

But, Alpha makes reasonably priced electronic machines I feel.

Also, I think the Silent Partner machine got a very positive review from the USRSA. Doesn't mean it's everyone's cup of tea, but certainly I would consider it in this price range...though definitely not Eagnas, that would be like taking a roll of the dice BIG time.

But the thing is, I was also factoring in adding a Wise to a quality crank machine of which there are that would put it in the DX price range.

I think that for what the DX goes for, there are other options worth considering at the very least; but that in the $600 to 900 ranged that the TT competes at, I think it stands alone as the one to beat...only true constant-pull in that price range.
between 1000-1500 only the wise with quality crank which puts you in the $1250 mark is a contender with the DX, anything else is either Junk or out of the price range of the DX, cant compare a sensor with a DX,


Hall of Fame
Yeah, actually, that's one thing I don't can't compare the DX to a Prince 3000 or a Sensor, etc. These machines string tighter than any other constant pull machines, not just the DX, and their clamps are the only ones that truly have no drawback.

These are FAR more expensive machines. If you could afford one or have enough business to justfiy one, then by all means buy one...but you're comparing the DX to machines that are in a different stratosphere price wise. If you want a Ferrari, buy a Ferrari. If you want a Lexus, buy a Lexus. If you want a Toyota, buy a Toyota. If you want a Pinto, buy an Eagnas Hawk 10, etc.

There's nothing wrong with any of these machines in my opinion, but they're competing in their own market niche/price range, and there's nothing wrong with that. If Eagnas wanted to truly go high-end and make a machine that could go toe to toe with a Sensor, there is no doubt in my mind that they could. They just havn't made the choice to do so, because they've carved out a market niche for themselves by cutting corners and passing on the savings to the consumers who can either choose to take that risk or not. Obviously, many have and Eagnas turns a profit. Ultimately, that's all these companies care about. It's not like desigining a top class stringing machine is on par with designing a fail-proof rocket ship...yes, it's difficult, but it's not literally rocket science. It IS possible for every company to churn out a machine as ritzy or economy class as they want; but it's up to their marketing gurus to tell them what would be most fiscally prudent.


michael chaho said:
between 1000-1500 only the wise with quality crank which puts you in the $1250 mark is a contender with the DX, anything else is either Junk or out of the price range of the DX, cant compare a sensor with a DX,

What a silly statement.

A competent stringer could get equally good results working with a Laserfibre, Alpha, Gamma, or Prince machine, and probably a couple of others that don't come immediately to mind. All of which, according to you, are pieces of junk, as they come equipped from the factory.
ok junk may be a harsh word but I enjoy working on the DX much more than any crank, drop weight , and even electronic machines. It provides me with consitent string job time after time while working on it is a breeze. Even though a pinto gets me from point a to point b like a ferrari, I dont enjoy driving it,


Probably much closer to comparing a Honda Accord to a Toyota Camry. Both do their jobs well.

All of the machines I mentioned in the previous post are of similar build quality. You speak of the Laserfibre like it's the Hubble telescope. It is, in fact, just one of several good machines in its price range. When you remove the constant pull argument - an argument that I don't find that compelling, for reasons I've already posted - all that's left is a nice, well built machine. I'm glad you like your machine so much, but you seem to have lost your objectivity about all other similarly priced machines. It comes down to this. Does the machine provide a safe, secure mounting system for any racquet. Do the clamps hold well with minimum pressure placed on the strings. And can the machine provide consistent results when tensioning. All of the machines I mentioned previously meet the above description. That should seem obvious to anyone.
I am not speaking about LF, I am speaking about the DX, it is like a shift car VS an automatic, I like to be in control when pulling the tension jaw and having free TWO hands to do precision adjustments, on any electronic machine, once you press that button you are not in control, and with a crank or drop weight it is like having two hands on the shift with no hands on the steering wheel, if you worked on a DX you will know what I am talking about, and if you tried some of the electronic machines from eganas and SP you will notice how slow and unreliable they are, even the best SP electronic that is in the price range of the DX is not a linear pull even though they disguise it to be a linear gripper it is still a rotary pull

From your previous posts you seem to not favor LF, maybe you resent the fact that you bought an $800 gamma 5003 when you could have bought an MS200TT, who knows, maybe you should have bought the cheap eganas model and saved yourself $150, who knows. I CAN NOT ARGUE WITH SOMEONE WHO THINKS ALL DROP WEIGHTS ARE CONSTANT PULL. I have worked on machines like yours, and many electronics ( you get what you pay for with electronics) I owned an LF drop weight and did not lose a dime on it due to price increase when I upgraded to the DX cant say that about all machines and with a ten year transferable warranty it was by far the best deal, I have been very happy with my choice with big improvement, not only in speed but enjoyment, who wants to string many racquets a day unless you get $50 a stick, it is not a fun job, but with the DX it is fun and enjoyable. Like I said before, the only contender to the DX is a top of the line crank with a wise tension head, even with the wise I have heard horrible stories regarding reliability, but the company seems prompt when replacing the Heads, with the DX, you have no parts to break and no calibration needed unlike cranks and electronics,

OH if only were the DX few hundred bucks cheaper, We all want it but man that $200 more, I don't know ?!?!? :roll:


I don't recall saying anything negative about the LF machines. Quite the contary.

I drive a 2003 Emerald Mica (as close to British racing green as I could get) Mazda Miata. 5 speed, of course. I'm with you on that point.



Constant pull has a lot of advantages over lock out machines, that doesn't mean you can't get a good string job with a lock-out. But it's a whole lot easier to be consistent with a constant pull. And you can match the tension request of a client who has had his/her racquet strung on a Babolat electronic machine without having to guess on how much to increase tension to compensate for the difference in pull between one system and the other.

When you combine features such as easy and consistent constant pull with the safest mounting system available and the high quality clamps, rigid construction, customer support, resale value, the Laserfibre still remains in my opinion the best bang for the buck available.
LF DX is like a Ferrari. Those who can't afford it can only say it's too expensive. Only those who own it can truly appreciate it.

Rackets Runyon

SoCal: Sorry, but the LF DX is no Ferrari, not even a Dino 246. I think a DeLorean is a more apt comparison. A Babolat Sensor is more like a Ferrari. MC: electronic tensioners slow? Not any Babolat in my experience or the Prince 3000 at its highest speed pull. Topspin: You're giving Canada a bad name. I've strung literally thousands of sets of natural gut. When I have better options, why the heck should I string gut on a comparatively poor design that puts the string at more risk? Finally, a big reason the LF doesn't string as well compared to other machines is that you end up with some relatively funky angled tension pulls on the center 6 or 8 main strings. In this craft, consistency equals accuracy. Simply put, the LF DX ends up being less accurate from string to string compared to other continuous pull or good lockout designs.


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rackets, it's tough to compare the LF to the Prince 3000 or Babolat Sensor b/c they're not in the same price catergory. i think a closer comparison would be the LF EM450 XLE, Stringway EM450 or EM500 to compare to the Prince or Babolat. You're comparing apples to oranges here.


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The new LF electronic's turntable adjusts so that EVERY string can be pulled at the same angle I believe, quite an innovation in stringing machine design I believe.

As far as MC saying that electronics pull too slow, he wasn't referencing the Sensor or 3000. He was talking about the electronic machines in the DX's *price range*...of which there are not many. How many quality electronic machines can you get in that range other than the SP Aria, which IS known to pull a little slow.

You're comparing machines which are practically double or more in cost to the DX...that's not a fair comparison. If you string enough to justify a Prince 3000 or Sensor, that's you're perogative...more power and clout to you. If you string once a year, then maybe the Klippermate would be a better choice...and there is NOTHING wrong with that.

Furthermore, the Sensor and 3000's clamps are in another league from all other machines. Those clamps have no drawback and those machines are reputed to string tighter than every other constant pull machine.

The DX has it's market niche. Would comparing a Klippermate to the DX be a fairer comparison? The Klippermate is designed to compete in its price range, just as the 3000 and Senor are designed to compete in their's...which is to say the stringing is GOD level of expense. It's a very small market niche we're talking about at those price points. The DX while still relatively expensive is priced low enough that the average Joe Schmoe home consumer who strings in not for a living...can possibly entertain the idea of purchasing it.

When you start talking about $3000 to $6000 for a stringing machine, there's not a whole lot of average Joe's who would even consider forking over that much just to string rackets...UNLESS, you're planning on making a living from the machine. At which point, the expense becomes justified, an investment.

It's like with tripods, you can buy a Gitzo or a Miller, and do quite well for yourself. But once you start talking Sachtler and Vinten, you're talking another significant jump in price...yes, the performance maybe more refined, but at what cost? The average semi-serious but NOT professional shooter isn't likely to spring for the Vinten for a grand more. It's not justified. If, however, you're making money from your shooting, enough to make a living, then what's an extra grand? The extra cost is now justified. It doesn't mean the Miller DS-5 is suddenly trash.

Yeah, if you compare the DS-5 to a Best Buy unit, then suddenly the DS-5 is the world's greatest tripod.

The thing is, there is a market for the Best Buy tripods too. There's nothing wrong with them. There are many different consumers with many different needs and wants, and they should ALL be catered to with respect...or at the very least, not talked down to.
As far as MC saying that electronics pull too slow, he wasn't referencing the Sensor or 3000. He was talking about the electronic machines in the DX's *price range*...of which there are not many. How many quality electronic machines can you get in that range other than the SP Aria, which IS known to pull a little slow

thanks Tym

I tried many cheap electronic machines from Eganas to SP's low end machines, they are SLOOOOW,

A nice machine would be a flash 930 with wise tension head, what do you think about this combo Tym? :lol: you will be saving few hundred bucks from the DX and still have an excellent hybrid, another combo I might consider is gamma x-st with wise, to save another few hundered


runyon, I just strung up come more racquets on my ms200tt and it reminded me of just how wrong you are about your claims. Everything on this machine is just so effortless and quite smooth. I get no string damage whatsoever from natural gut or any other string. So either you are doing something wrong or you are just here posting misinformation for whatever reason. If what you said was true, Laserfibre/Stringway would be completely out of business. But they are doing extremely well because the machine is well designed. Yes it is very different from other machines, so I think that this could be the reason you're not used to it. And that's fine, there are many machines out there on the market.
If anyone wants to trade a like condition (mint) Neos for the MS200DX, and is in the Minnesota area... let me know. I'll Swap... even up.