You wrote this:
"It's because..." seems to imply that the factor you're describing is either the biggest one or the only one. That's how that phrasing works in English. And then it was only after this, when another poster asked you about injuries, that you added:
The second post reads like an afterthought considering how firm and conclusive the first one was. If you believe both were factors, that would have been a nice thing to point out in post #1.
The 1st post wasn't related to the 2nd. The 1st is a general statement about a generation or two of players. The 2nd is a response to a specific question about Hewitt that was asked to me and I answered which is what you were also talking about. Again you chose to read me that way even though it's the less plausible interpretation of what I said that's on you not me.
I'm not going to pretend like I've got a digital protractor that can measure the angles of all their serves, Aynaoui has a couple of inches on Djokovic and from my recollection I felt like he was placing it a little better and mixing it up more - at the very least I can see from he TA charts that he used the body serve way more. In a five hour match 6% extra going in isn't insignificant either, especially when you're winning such a high proportion behind it.
Considering the first post in isolation is actually an even less charitable reading of it because the statement it makes is just so patently absurd given the lack of mention of injury.
When pressed about Hewitt specifically sure, nevermind that his post on that don't pass the smell test like nearly anything else he says. Guys like Robredo and Haas were hanging around the top 20 in their 30's, Ferrer was top 5 in his 30's, Roddick hung around until 2010 when injuries got the best of him. The falling off of Fed's generation wasn't some gradual decline as tennis evolved it was a sudden drop from the top of the rankings into often journeyman status - that's not something that you'd mostly attribute to tennis progression unless you have an agenda.
Ok no worries.
I think he means Botic Van De Zandschulp
He took a set off USO 2021 Med so he's definitely a better player than Roddick.
Fair enough but the fact that the serving is even close between Djokovic and a bot should say quite a lot no?
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Anyway in boxing the world P4P is used. Not as much tennis though.
This is pure nostalgic cope going on in this forum, Ali was what, 215 pounds, is 6’2-6’3 if he’s lucky, Tyson is a legit 6’7-6’8 and can weigh in anywhere between 260-275. Fury is simply too big, too strong and too good for Ali. People bring up foreman, who was 6’3, 220 at best. But fury is nothing like foreman. I mean I don't know **** about boxing but that's about as easy a call as you could make.
Foreman was anywhere from 220 to 270 depending on when he fought and the year. Ali was around that yes.
haha I dunno really. Just thought it was funny because I logged on Facebook earlier and somebody made a Fury vs Chisora part 200 and something poster.
You could just talk about Murray.
What principles did they take too far?
Tyson Fury is a far better example because he was actually about to dethrone the previous long reigning champion who reigned for 10 years in Kiltschko. This has yet to happen for Next Gen or any Gen when it comes to Djokovic to at least make any claim they have evolved to a level he hasn’t reached.
Speaking super generally here if you can't serve plus one it's more important to remain unattackable than to attack on a given ball and that the best way to win is to force your opponent into a situation where if they don't take on too much risk they will lose. The most repeatable consistent path to victory is being able to maintain an edge without taking on risk if we're trading and my trades are a little better over the course of a match I'm gonna win. It's essentially I force you into either letting me repeatedly edge you out or you go for more than you reasonably can and likely go down in flames. Not exactly a great explanation but I think you can get the point. There's a reason styles have converged so much in the last 20 years. That doesn't happen randomly.
I had this discussion with another user and I think @TheFifthSet touched on this facts that it seems a lot of people think Tennis has a smaller talent pool than many sports and isn’t as deep at the very top.
In absolute terms does mean you have 04/05 Agassi over 95 Agassi. I assume so because you are mostly consistent here.
Inb4 6 foot 2 and a half 210 lbs Usyk schools Fury lol. I generally agree with a decent portion of what you're saying though especially as it pertains to tennis, although I probably wouldn't take it quite as far.
Similar picks to abmk pretty much
Only a matter time before we see more boxers to UFC crossovers or some kind of crossover match but I am sure Fury is not the guy.
No way is that the weakest.
I wonder if Fury would be better coming in lighter like he did vs Wlad. Might not matter because he has never had a huge issue in a fight whatever weight he was at. I don’t think Fury will just box with Uysk think he will go for the KO.
I don't think this and your second post are really good explanations for why #NextGen are collectively weak. You seem to be saying that percentage baseline tennis has been optimised over the last 15 or so years, almost to the point of being perfected, but now these guys are too one dimensional because they invested all their skill points? Are transition game, touch, volleys etc...so important that the weakness there explains why we've been lacking top talent for so long? Certainly I don't think Med, Zed, Tsits, Rublev etc...are better, are more optimised baseline players than players from 10 years ago, though I suppose Tsits is a serve+1 player? Of course he's clearly inferior that regard compared to say...Roddick a guy what 16 years older than him, even in absolute terms though you'll probably disagree. I guess you think baseline tennis conveniently peaked in 2016
Nah I think he has to lean into the size advantage as much as possible. Usyk is going to outbox him regardless of his weight. Fury's feet have slowed too much. He needs to adopt the same approach he did against Cunningham once he realised he was getting outboxed. Coming in heavy would help him. Last time he came in at around 250 against Wallin he looked kinda drained at the weight. I think something closer to 270 is ideal for him these days.
Possible Fury feet have slowed before the comeback. He uses his speed to force attacks more now but I agree putting pressure on Uysk is the best way. He feels comfortable as a natural big man but maybe he will split it the middle and come in 260-265 range.
I think the level of the winners has to be factored in.
