From today Sinner equals Alcaraz in number of weeks at number 1

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1.Novak Đoković 428
2.Roger Federer 310
3.Pete Sampras 286
4.Ivan Lendl 270
5.Jimmy Connors 268
6.Rafael Nadal 209
7.John McEnroe 170
8.Björn Borg 109
9.Andre Agassi 101
10.Lleyton Hewitt 80
11.Stefan Edberg 72
12.Jim Courier 58
13.Gustavo Kuerten 43
14.Andy Murray 41
15.Ilie Năstase 40
16.Carlos Alcaraz 36
Jannik Sinner 36
18.Mats Wilander 20
19.Daniil Medvedev 16
20.Andy Roddick 13
21.Boris Becker 12
22.Marat Safin 9
23.John Newcombe 8
Juan Carlos Ferrero 8
25.Thomas Muster 6
Marcelo Rios 6
Yevgeny Kafelnikov 6
28.Carlos Moyá 2
29.Patrick Rafter 1
 
It would be interesting to know a statistic on how many players have managed to stay at number 1 for 52 weeks continuously.

Obviously Federer, Djokovic and Sampras, safe.
I also think Lendl, Connors and Nadal, although I'm not 100% sure.
Then?
Hewitt?
 
It's just one measure of greatness, but Djokovic = Fed + Borg + Safin. As for Sinner and Alcaraz, both figure to surpass 100 weeks, possibly more, but nothing's guaranteed.
 
Winner Sinner said:
It would be interesting to know a statistic on how many players have managed to stay at number 1 for 52 weeks continuously.

Obviously Federer, Djokovic and Sampras, safe.
I also think Lendl, Connors and Nadal, although I'm not 100% sure.
Then?
Hewitt?
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Players with at least 52 consecutive weeks at #1.

Federer 237
Connors 160
Lendl 157
Djokovic 122
Sampras 102
Hewitt 75
McEnroe 58
Nadal 56
Agassi 52
 
KantenKlaar said:
Sjoe, from the way the Sinner junkies went on and on, I thought he surpassed Alcaraz eons ago.
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Problematic of alcaraz fan to boast seeing how he would not even be number 1 if not for vaccines.

Alcaraz is not a legitimate World #1

The only reason he has the top ranking is because Nole was banned from 2022 USO, not awarded points for 2022 Wimby title, and banned from 2023 Sunshine Double. Charlie has a zero percent chance of ending the year in the top spot. Yes, he's playing great tennis right now, and barring...
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Alcaraz shouldn't have become number 1

After Roland Garros it's clear that Carlos Alcaraz didn't deserve number 1 ranking. I am not going to say nice words just because he is a kid. What happened last year was a travesty in tennis. The best ever who had won 27 straight slam matches, just 1 match away from CYGS, was banned from...
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Some ranking received when best player is banned is not boast worthy. Even ruud had chance to be number 1 then.

Sinner fans keep on celebrating.
 
nolefam_2024 said:
Problematic of alcaraz fan to boast seeing how he would not even be number 1 if not for vaccines.

Alcaraz is not a legitimate World #1

The only reason he has the top ranking is because Nole was banned from 2022 USO, not awarded points for 2022 Wimby title, and banned from 2023 Sunshine Double. Charlie has a zero percent chance of ending the year in the top spot. Yes, he's playing great tennis right now, and barring...
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Alcaraz shouldn't have become number 1

After Roland Garros it's clear that Carlos Alcaraz didn't deserve number 1 ranking. I am not going to say nice words just because he is a kid. What happened last year was a travesty in tennis. The best ever who had won 27 straight slam matches, just 1 match away from CYGS, was banned from...
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Some ranking received when best player is banned is not boast worthy. Even ruud had chance to be number 1 then.

Sinner fans keep on celebrating.
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I will fight to the death on this thing.

There was not a single moment when both Medvedev and Alcaraz could be called true number 1s.
People forget too often that Djokovic, when he was by far the best player on the circuit, was forced to miss out for reasons that have nothing to do with the competitive side, the 2022 Australian Open, the 2022 and 2023 sunshine double, the 2023 US Open, and in addition to all this, the 2022 edition of Wimbledon which he won did not award any points.

Alcaraz fans here too have to come to terms with it when I say that in reality Sinner was the first real number 1 after the Fab Four era.
The first true dominator of the circuit, because clearly to date Alcaraz has had more success than Sinner if only because 4 slams>3 slams, but Sinner concentrated all his greatest successes in a much shorter period of time which allowed him to be considered a true dominator of the circuit.
Alcaraz has never dominated the circuit so far but has been more of a player with great, much more extemporaneous exploits.
 
Winner Sinner said:
I will fight to the death on this thing.

There was not a single moment when both Medvedev and Alcaraz could be called true number 1s.
People forget too often that Djokovic, when he was by far the best player on the circuit, was forced to miss out for reasons that have nothing to do with the competitive side, the 2022 Australian Open, the 2022 and 2023 sunshine double, the 2023 US Open, and in addition to all this, the 2022 edition of Wimbledon which he won did not award any points.

Alcaraz fans here too have to come to terms with it when I say that in reality Sinner was the first real number 1 after the Fab Four era.
The first true dominator of the circuit, because clearly to date Alcaraz has had more success than Sinner if only because 4 slams>3 slams, but Sinner concentrated all his greatest successes in a much shorter period of time which allowed him to be considered a true dominator of the circuit.
Alcaraz has never dominated the circuit so far but has been more of a player with great, much more extemporaneous exploits.
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you are wrong then.

@YolitaTennis from twitter calculated Djokovic and Medvedev true rankings in 2021 as Pandemic froze their true rankings and made it 2 year long. People give nolefams bad name for false reasons. We have many people who speak truth even if its not in Djokovic's favor.
Medvedev had already taken over Djokovic after USOpen 2021 but the 2 year ranking gave Djokovic some 2000 pts more than he would in real world.

Medvedev true number 1 even before 2022 but pandemic stopped him.
 
nolefam_2024 said:
you are wrong then.

@YolitaTennis from twitter calculated Djokovic and Medvedev true rankings in 2021 as Pandemic froze their true rankings and made it 2 year long. People give nolefams bad name for false reasons. We have many people who speak truth even if its not in Djokovic's favor.
Medvedev had already taken over Djokovic after USOpen 2021 but the 2 year ranking gave Djokovic some 2000 pts more than he would in real world.

Medvedev true number 1 even before 2022 but pandemic stopped him.
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Well, it all seems so surreal to me.
Djokovic won the Australian Open, Roland Garros, Wimbledon and the US Open final in 2021. How could Medvedev be number 1 already at the end of 2021?

Having said that, the form can change but not the substance, Djokovic during the period characterized by the pandemic was unquestionably the strongest player, you know it, I know it, and everyone with a minimum of common sense knows it.
 
Winner Sinner said:
I will fight to the death on this thing.

There was not a single moment when both Medvedev and Alcaraz could be called true number 1s.
People forget too often that Djokovic, when he was by far the best player on the circuit, was forced to miss out for reasons that have nothing to do with the competitive side, the 2022 Australian Open, the 2022 and 2023 sunshine double, the 2023 US Open, and in addition to all this, the 2022 edition of Wimbledon which he won did not award any points.

Alcaraz fans here too have to come to terms with it when I say that in reality Sinner was the first real number 1 after the Fab Four era.
The first true dominator of the circuit, because clearly to date Alcaraz has had more success than Sinner if only because 4 slams>3 slams, but Sinner concentrated all his greatest successes in a much shorter period of time which allowed him to be considered a true dominator of the circuit.
Alcaraz has never dominated the circuit so far but has been more of a player with great, much more extemporaneous exploits.
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The number 1 ranking went from big 3 to Murray to big 3 to medvedev to Djokovic to sinner. .

Medvedev was only guy to be real number 1 between Murray and sinner.
 
Winner Sinner said:
Well, it all seems so surreal to me.
Djokovic won the Australian Open, Roland Garros, Wimbledon and the US Open final in 2021. How could Medvedev be number 1 already at the end of 2021?

Having said that, the form can change but not the substance, Djokovic during the period characterized by the pandemic was unquestionably the strongest player, you know it, I know it, and everyone with a minimum of common sense knows it.
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Yes like yolita explained in the tweet above. It is surreal. But it is true. You need to win a lot. And meddy did. He won Paris ATP finals , then AO final, 2 250s, Toronto and usopen.

Djokovic on the other hand outside of slams won just Serbia 250 in this time. Djokovic almost quit his year post rg defeat. He wanted to rest a bit so went to Vienna to be secured as number 1, buzzed off eating a bagel and skipped Paris.
 
No offense to the OP here who I respect, but the rankings system has always been flawed in the fact that it’s essentially about making sure you suck at the right parts of the year. Players can farm points from one hot run and ride it all season (See Casper last year), and as long as they defend those events decently the next year, they can suffer no real consequences for being bad for over half a season.

Mind you, I’m not saying this as a critique of Jannik/Carlos, that’s not how they got to #1 themselves, but it’s a big problem further down. Like Zverev being #2 just because he got fortunate enough to not face a single T10 opponent in two M1000’s where he was defending nothing/Carlos winning the wrong events.
 
It's pointless to compare this stat because its definition is different for every player. The weeks themselves are different for every player because the competition they face is different. Djokovic's quality of weeks he played is totally different than Federer's for instance. Fed having to play against the greats of the previous gen and then immediately a thirsty Djokovic and Nadal, whereas Djokovic catches the tail end of Federer/Nadal's career and then literally nobody else because everyone knows by now the millennial gen was a failure.

So there's no real value in this stat besides mentally mastur.bating over numbers.
 
Winner Sinner said:
Alcaraz fans here too have to come to terms with it when I say that in reality Sinner was the first real number 1 after the Fab Four era.
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Most people agree Alcaraz weeks are heavily asterisked due to Covid and all that stuff.

Unfortunately for Sinner he was tested positive in March, and rose to #1 in June. Folks will hold that one against him, no doubt.
 
Pheasant said:
Players with at least 52 consecutive weeks at #1.

Federer 237
Connors 160
Lendl 157
Djokovic 122
Sampras 102
Hewitt 75
McEnroe 58
Nadal 56
Agassi 52
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Interesting that transitional Hewitt tops three ATGs in this category. The absence of Borg is also notable. Borg had four straight years in which he won at least 90% of his matches! Yet under the ranking system of the era, it was a struggle for him even to reach no. 1, let alone hold it continuously.
 
Winner Sinner said:
I will fight to the death on this thing.

There was not a single moment when both Medvedev and Alcaraz could be called true number 1s.
People forget too often that Djokovic, when he was by far the best player on the circuit, was forced to miss out for reasons that have nothing to do with the competitive side, the 2022 Australian Open, the 2022 and 2023 sunshine double, the 2023 US Open, and in addition to all this, the 2022 edition of Wimbledon which he won did not award any points.

Alcaraz fans here too have to come to terms with it when I say that in reality Sinner was the first real number 1 after the Fab Four era.
The first true dominator of the circuit, because clearly to date Alcaraz has had more success than Sinner if only because 4 slams>3 slams, but Sinner concentrated all his greatest successes in a much shorter period of time which allowed him to be considered a true dominator of the circuit.
Alcaraz has never dominated the circuit so far but has been more of a player with great, much more extemporaneous exploits.
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Don’t forget. If Sinner had converted the Mp against Alcaraz at the USO 2022, Nadal would’ve ended the year number 1 and Casper Ruud would’ve also been number 1. Sinner would’ve also been a top five player at 21 years 1 month instead of 22 years and 2 months. He likely would’ve made the AO final in 2023, had he won the USO 22’ and at present he would’ve been a 4 time slam champion at 23
 
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dking68 said:
Don’t forget. If Sinner had converted the Mp against Alcaraz at the USO 2022, Nadal would’ve ended the year number 1 and Casper Ruud would’ve also been number 1. Sinner would’ve also been a top five player at 21 years 1 month instead of 22 years and 2 months. He likely would’ve made the AO final in 2023, had he won the USO 22’ and at present he would’ve been a 4 time slam champion at 23
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Rudd would have ended as number one, if he had won final
 
dking68 said:
Don’t forget. If Sinner had converted the Mp against Alcaraz at the USO 2022, Nadal would’ve ended the year number 1 and Casper Ruud would’ve also been number 1. Sinner would’ve also been a top five player at 21 years 1 month instead of 22 years and 2 months. He likely would’ve made the AO final in 2023, had he won the USO 22’ and at present he would’ve been a 4 time slam champion at 23
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Don't forget if Alcaraz hadn't been mugging around in sets 2 & 3 of the Uso 22 match, he'd have won it in straight sets.
 
Biotic said:
Most people agree Alcaraz weeks are heavily asterisked due to Covid and all that stuff.

Unfortunately for Sinner he was tested positive in March, and rose to #1 in June. Folks will hold that one against him, no doubt.
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If you demonstrate consistency in your career people tend to forget.
The proof is Eddy Merckx in cycling, after some time few people remember that in his career he was disqualified twice for doping, today everyone talks about the cannibal, the strongest cyclist in history.

Having said that, as usual, there is a substantial difference between testing positive in tests for conscious use of doping substances, and testing positive in tests for doping substances that occurred through contamination.
Then I agree that regardless, the doubt remains in the minds of many.
But I repeat, if Sinner demonstrates consistency in victories over the course of his career, people tend to forget the episodes of his positivity, apart from the hardened haters.
 
Winner Sinner said:
1.Novak Đoković 428
2.Roger Federer 310
3.Pete Sampras 286
4.Ivan Lendl 270
5.Jimmy Connors 268
6.Rafael Nadal 209
7.John McEnroe 170
8.Björn Borg 109
9.Andre Agassi 101
10.Lleyton Hewitt 80
11.Stefan Edberg 72
12.Jim Courier 58
13.Gustavo Kuerten 43
14.Andy Murray 41
15.Ilie Năstase 40
16.Carlos Alcaraz 36
Jannik Sinner 36
18.Mats Wilander 20
19.Daniil Medvedev 16
20.Andy Roddick 13
21.Boris Becker 12
22.Marat Safin 9
23.John Newcombe 8
Juan Carlos Ferrero 8
25.Thomas Muster 6
Marcelo Rios 6
Yevgeny Kafelnikov 6
28.Carlos Moyá 2
29.Patrick Rafter 1
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Are we including some time for Guillermo Vilas too ? He is deserving as are both Sinner and Alcaraz !!
 
Rafa4LifeEver said:
Don't forget if Alcaraz hadn't been mugging around in sets 2 & 3 of the Uso 22 match, he'd have won it in straight sets.
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This kind of argument is essentially circular. "If he had been playing well enough to win easily, he would have won easily. Therefore, he's the better player!"

A match point, on the other hand, is an objective fact. Whether it's cashed in or lost, it still existed.
 
JMR said:
This kind of argument is essentially circular. "If he had been playing well enough to win easily, he would have won easily. Therefore, he's the better player!"

A match point, on the other hand, is an objective fact. Whether it's cashed in or lost, it still existed.
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He was playing well enough to get to set points in set 2 & have a floating sitter om one of those SPs which literally every top300 Player would dispatch for a winner 99.999999% of the times.
 
GloW said:
and then he will be surpassed by a man in chainz. ;):D
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He will not surpass anything in tennis from a maximum security prison...

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Winner Sinner said:
1.Novak Đoković 428
2.Roger Federer 310
3.Pete Sampras 286
4.Ivan Lendl 270
5.Jimmy Connors 268
6.Rafael Nadal 209
7.John McEnroe 170
8.Björn Borg 109
9.Andre Agassi 101
10.Lleyton Hewitt 80
11.Stefan Edberg 72
12.Jim Courier 58
13.Gustavo Kuerten 43
14.Andy Murray 41
15.Ilie Năstase 40
16.Carlos Alcaraz 36
Jannik Sinner 36
18.Mats Wilander 20
19.Daniil Medvedev 16
20.Andy Roddick 13
21.Boris Becker 12
22.Marat Safin 9
23.John Newcombe 8
Juan Carlos Ferrero 8
25.Thomas Muster 6
Marcelo Rios 6
Yevgeny Kafelnikov 6
28.Carlos Moyá 2
29.Patrick Rafter 1
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Winner Sinner said:
1.Novak Đoković 428
2.Roger Federer 310
3.Pete Sampras 286
4.Ivan Lendl 270
5.Jimmy Connors 268
6.Rafael Nadal 209
7.John McEnroe 170
8.Björn Borg 109
9.Andre Agassi 101
10.Lleyton Hewitt 80
11.Stefan Edberg 72
12.Jim Courier 58
13.Gustavo Kuerten 43
14.Andy Murray 41
15.Ilie Năstase 40
16.Carlos Alcaraz 36
Jannik Sinner 36
18.Mats Wilander 20
19.Daniil Medvedev 16
20.Andy Roddick 13
21.Boris Becker 12
22.Marat Safin 9
23.John Newcombe 8
Juan Carlos Ferrero 8
25.Thomas Muster 6
Marcelo Rios 6
Yevgeny Kafelnikov 6
28.Carlos Moyá 2
29.Patrick Rafter 1
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Alcaraz's 36 weeks will always come with an asterisk to me. Half of them were obtained thanks to the Wimbledon 2022 rule. Between Wimbledon 2022 and Wimbledon 2023, a lot of the weeks he racked up were with less than 2000 points compared to his rival Djokovic.

Alcaraz would've had the YE-#1 2022 for something like 80 points if Wimbledon awared his points. But a lot of weeks after AO2023 weren't obtained fairly. Djokovic was the true world number #1 between AO and Wimbledon 2023.

428 should actually be 445. And let's not forget the 24 weeks robbed in 2020 because of the frozen ranking between March and August. No covid and no war, he would have 470 today.
 
Lauren_Girl' said:
Alcaraz's 36 weeks will always come with an asterisk to me. Half of them were obtained thanks to the Wimbledon 2022 rule. Between Wimbledon 2022 and Wimbledon 2023, a lot of the weeks he racked up were with less than 2000 points compared to his rival Djokovic.

Alcaraz would've had the YE-#1 2022 for something like 80 points if Wimbledon awared his points. But a lot of weeks after AO2023 weren't obtained fairly. Djokovic was the true world number #1 between AO and Wimbledon 2023.

428 should actually be 445. And let's not forget the 24 weeks robbed in 2020 because of the frozen ranking between March and August. No covid and no war, he would have 470 today.
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No covid and no war Alcaraz and Sinner would have probably entered their prime a year earlier. Do you consider that as well?
 
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