Full poly user feeling slight elbow problems. Suggestions?

HunterST

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I use a hybrid of solinco tour bite and tourna big hitter silver. I string at 48/45. Lately, I’m starting to feel some golfer’s elbow. It’s weird; I’ve never had it before and I’m actually hitting less lately.

At any rate, I’m wondering if I should change it up a little. I used a synth gut in the crosses recently and it felt pretty good for about 2 hours then it became uncontrollable.

Now I’m considerjng using cream in the crosses to get some softness but still maintain poly spin and control.

Any other options or ideas you would suggest?
 
#2
Test out Signum Pro X-Perience in the mains. Even a full bed feels very easy on the arm. I'm using the 17g version at 46/44 in a 98" Pure Strike 16x19. I emailed TW and they said they won't sell reels on the US site but I got one from the TW Europe site at a good price.
 
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#3
I started having issues with Golfer's Elbow from a hybrid, and it kept coming back despite trying different tensions. I went to full zyex to heal and ended up loving it so much I am sticking with it for the foreseeable future.
 
#4
If you're playing outdoors in the colder conditions we catch at this time of year, your full poly bed could be turning sharply more firm on you in the cold. This happened a couple years ago to one of the sluggers on the boys' hs team I coach. We decided to switch his string layout from full RPM Blast into a full bed of 15L ga. Prince Premier Control. The heavier gauge would hold up for a little more than a week and the softer string layout cooled out his elbow after only about two weeks.

He was playing with Pure Drives at the time (go figure!) and after finishing that spring season, he decided that he needed a heavier alternative that could do a little more work for him. His switch was to the Wilson Six.One 95 and he played that with a poly hybrid with no issues through his senior year.

If you try Cream in the crosses, you've still got a full poly bed going there. Consider dropping tension maybe another 8 lbs. if you try that layout.

If you try some other hybrids and the elbow gremlins linger, I'd say make a more drastic change and dump the poly completely until you can get to where you're feeling okay. By going to this hybrid or that, I think you're only making subtle adjustments. If you want to keep playing on a limited schedule, you're probably doing more of what got your elbow into trouble in the first place, so I think you'll be stacking the odds more in your favor if you move to a substantially softer string.

One thing that can be rough on that region of the elbow is hitting a lot of hard serves. If you've been practicing a little bit lately or going for the big bombs when you play points, try to go easy there and keep your arm as loose as you can when you do any serving.
 
#5
Those are fairly stiff polys as well. I am not as in the know about softer ones these days, but I never had any issues with Tourna Big Hitter Blue. It was softer and more lively than Silver, but still had great bite. Maybe even better bite.
 
#6
Try Head Hawk Touch 17 poly in the crosses. Soft and still easy sliding for the mains. I use it as a cross in my setups, gut/poly mainly now with some poly/poly.
Better yet, try as a full bed. You'll be surprised. It's the only poly I dare play full bed now.
 
#7
I started having issues with Golfer's Elbow from a hybrid, and it kept coming back despite trying different tensions. I went to full zyex to heal and ended up loving it so much I am sticking with it for the foreseeable future.
was that monogutzx or the dynamite strings?
 
#12
I use a hybrid of solinco tour bite and tourna big hitter silver. I string at 48/45. Lately, I’m starting to feel some golfer’s elbow. It’s weird; I’ve never had it before and I’m actually hitting less lately.

At any rate, I’m wondering if I should change it up a little. I used a synth gut in the crosses recently and it felt pretty good for about 2 hours then it became uncontrollable.

Now I’m considerjng using cream in the crosses to get some softness but still maintain poly spin and control.

Any other options or ideas you would suggest?
Hybrid with babolat Excel and solinco tour bite. Your elbow pain will disappear than you will add 15 mph to your serve.
 
#15
Soft poly mains like Isospeed Baseline and Prince Synthetic Gut Duraflex crosses worked for me after TE. Went to a more flexible frame as well and 55/55 with RPM to 48/50 with the ISO/ PSGD.
(Head Speed Pro to Head Radical Pro)
 

HunterST

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#17
Ditch the poly!

Your long-term elbow health > little bit of extra spin.
I would agree, but this is the first time I've experienced anything in almost 10 years, and it's very mild. It doesn't bother me when not playing and even then it's not bad enough I have to stop. I just want to prevent it from getting worse, so I'm thinking some type of hybrid should work.
 
#18
I use a hybrid of solinco tour bite and tourna big hitter silver. I string at 48/45. Lately, I’m starting to feel some golfer’s elbow. It’s weird; I’ve never had it before and I’m actually hitting less lately.

At any rate, I’m wondering if I should change it up a little. I used a synth gut in the crosses recently and it felt pretty good for about 2 hours then it became uncontrollable.

Now I’m considerjng using cream in the crosses to get some softness but still maintain poly spin and control.

Any other options or ideas you would suggest?
Seems like your issues begsn when the poly notched and began locking. You had to straighten your strings.

Syngut multi and gut crosses will just lock on you.

So i have 3 recs.

1. Keep the tour bite but switch crosses to monogut zx. Its not a poly but behaves like it. Its super soft but extremely durable. It will extend the time it takes to lock the stringbed up and because its soft as nat gut it should help with the ge. But stretch the crap out of it because it will lose a ton of tension if you dont

2. Get the softest poly you can find. Look at the ratings and put that as a cross because its clear you dont like a locked stringbed.

3. Go with either rec 1 or 2 but up the mains 10lbs and lower the crosses by 10 lbs. it will lower the friction and allow the mains to slide easier which will put less stress on your elbow. So even though the mains are at higher tension the stringbed will feel softer. This ime is the best option but only really available if you string yourself. Its a rare stringer who is enlightened enough to give you option number 3.
 
#19
Soft poly mains like Isospeed Baseline and Prince Synthetic Gut Duraflex crosses worked for me after TE. Went to a more flexible frame as well and 55/55 with RPM to 48/50 with the ISO/ PSGD.
(Head Speed Pro to Head Radical Pro)
Look at post 11. This guy doesnt play well with locked stringbeds. What unlocked bed would you recommend for him?
 

HunterST

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#20
Seems like your issues begsn when the poly notched and began locking. You had to straighten your strings.

Syngut multi and gut crosses will just lock on you.

So i have 3 recs.

1. Keep the tour bite but switch crosses to monogut zx. Its not a poly but behaves like it. Its super soft but extremely durable. It will extend the time it takes to lock the stringbed up and because its soft as nat gut it should help with the ge. But stretch the crap out of it because it will lose a ton of tension if you dont

2. Get the softest poly you can find. Look at the ratings and put that as a cross because its clear you dont like a locked stringbed.

3. Go with either rec 1 or 2 but up the mains 10lbs and lower the crosses by 10 lbs. it will lower the friction and allow the mains to slide easier which will put less stress on your elbow. So even though the mains are at higher tension the stringbed will feel softer. This ime is the best option but only really available if you string yourself. Its a rare stringer who is enlightened enough to give you option number 3.
Great suggestions! I'm thinking about going with option 1. I have used zx some in the past and thought it worked well. I ultimately stopped because I kept breaking it when tying the knots, but I can just be very careful with it.
 
#21
Look at post 11. This guy doesnt play well with locked stringbeds. What unlocked bed would you recommend for him?
This set up doesn’t lock up and it’s like butter on the arm at low tensions. Before it breaks the string will start moving quite a bit. Works fantastic and also plays with the characteristics of a poly set up which someone who is used to using full poly will need. Just his arm needs a break. This is why you see a great number of pros who have had wrist/elbow problems playing full poly go to poly/gut. They like the poly feel.
Sure if one was consumed with unlocked stringbeds and snapback for spin you could put this guy on a Gut/poly set up with a differential but being a full poly player that is huge change just as it is for a number of other set ups you could give him.
Little side note. Won 9.5 Combo playing with ISO/PSGD at 48/50. String cost was around $3 dollars a frame and played well and kept me competing. Softer strings at lower tensions works when their is some minor pain creeping in. Just one opinion with a great deal of application behind it.
 
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Great suggestions! I'm thinking about going with option 1. I have used zx some in the past and thought it worked well. I ultimately stopped because I kept breaking it when tying the knots, but I can just be very careful with it.
Great. Give it a try. Did you see the zx stringing vid and how to string it? It talks about the best practices. In addition i stopped using starting clamps and starting knots on the crosses because of zx. Its easier that way anyhow.

And do try #3. If you are worried just start with a few lbs and work up.
 
#25
Tourbite/OGSM @ 48/52 is also easy on the arm and plays well for 8-10hrs. Used it for a year or so. Not as easy on the arm as putting a softer poly in the mains and a softer syn gut or multi in the cross.
Let us know how the Zx holds up on the Tourbite.
 
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Which synthetic gut? There are differences. OGSM is the best that I tried so for in the crosses.

Also, using a round poly in the mains would increase the lifetime of a poly/syn.gut hybrid.
Agreed, solid core synthetic gut works the best. Using Tourbite/OGSM the strings don’t get stuck. Plays well for the duration until the strings start to move too much then it’s time to cut out. Never broke a string playing with this set up.
 

Sardines

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#28
I use a hybrid of solinco tour bite and tourna big hitter silver. I string at 48/45. Lately, I’m starting to feel some golfer’s elbow. It’s weird; I’ve never had it before and I’m actually hitting less lately.

At any rate, I’m wondering if I should change it up a little. I used a synth gut in the crosses recently and it felt pretty good for about 2 hours then it became uncontrollable.

Now I’m considerjng using cream in the crosses to get some softness but still maintain poly spin and control.

Any other options or ideas you would suggest?
From what you are saying, it's only started recently when you hit less. How long have you had the original set up for? Did you keep the string longer than usual between restrings? If you've had the same setup for more than a year, restring regularly and never had problems, then the issue is probably your frequency of play, and the muscles aren't working out as much, and you still try to generate the same pace etc.
I suggest you first lay off tennis for a week, do massaging and stretching the forearm, and the entire arm. Then freshly restring the racquet with the same setup, maybe 1lbs lower, then warm up the forearms extra with massage and stretching, and hit regularly, without trying to go all out until your groove comes back.
Often, if you play less, the muscles will weaken slightly and also stiffen up, especially when you start muscling the ball instead of stroking it.
 

HunterST

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#29
From what you are saying, it's only started recently when you hit less. How long have you had the original set up for? Did you keep the string longer than usual between restrings? If you've had the same setup for more than a year, restring regularly and never had problems, then the issue is probably your frequency of play, and the muscles aren't working out as much, and you still try to generate the same pace etc.
I suggest you first lay off tennis for a week, do massaging and stretching the forearm, and the entire arm. Then freshly restring the racquet with the same setup, maybe 1lbs lower, then warm up the forearms extra with massage and stretching, and hit regularly, without trying to go all out until your groove comes back.
Often, if you play less, the muscles will weaken slightly and also stiffen up, especially when you start muscling the ball instead of stroking it.
Thank you! This is exactly what I wondered, but I couldn't seem to find anyone who thought LESS play could lead to issues. It does make perfect sense that the muscles would be weaker with less hitting.
 

Sardines

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#30
Thank you! This is exactly what I wondered, but I couldn't seem to find anyone who thought LESS play could lead to issues. It does make perfect sense that the muscles would be weaker with less hitting.
Most people coming back from a layoff will usually have some soreness from the impact of the racquet. After a layoff of a few weeks, I always start with the softer setup (gut/poly hybrid), and it takes a few days for the body to get back into the groove. Obviously, it also depends on the intensity of your game. The pusher, short stroke, handsy players will have less impact, while full stroke, power players will have heavier impacts by nature of their game. Then there are the mishits etc.
 

HunterST

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#31
Great. Give it a try. Did you see the zx stringing vid and how to string it? It talks about the best practices. In addition i stopped using starting clamps and starting knots on the crosses because of zx. Its easier that way anyhow.

And do try #3. If you are worried just start with a few lbs and work up.
Well, the Poly/zyex turned out to still be too harsh for my elbow. I was playing well with it, but the elbow pain got to where I almost had to stop. Switched to Poly/synth and elbow felt fine, but didn't play as well.

I strung at 50/48(prestretch zyex only). I might try either 50/45 with prestretch or 50/48 with no prestretch of the zyex.

Also thinking about biting the bullet and getting some natural gut.
 
#32
Well, the Poly/zyex turned out to still be too harsh for my elbow. I was playing well with it, but the elbow pain got to where I almost had to stop. Switched to Poly/synth and elbow felt fine, but didn't play as well.

I strung at 50/48(prestretch zyex only). I might try either 50/45 with prestretch or 50/48 with no prestretch of the zyex.

Also thinking about biting the bullet and getting some natural gut.
Gut is always going to be the frindliest option imho.

But good for you trying the poly zx. To make it friendlier try going up 5lbs in the mains and lower with the zx. Say 55/40 with prestretched zx.

Or change the poly to a softer one. Imho you found something that plays well its just a matter of dialing it in.

Which poly did you use??
 

HunterST

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#33
Gut is always going to be the frindliest option imho.

But good for you trying the poly zx. To make it friendlier try going up 5lbs in the mains and lower with the zx. Say 55/40 with prestretched zx.

Or change the poly to a softer one. Imho you found something that plays well its just a matter of dialing it in.

Which poly did you use??
I use tourbite which is pretty stiff, but nothing quite gives me the same bite that it does. I'm a little apprehensive about too large of a differential, but I could try 5.

I do have some Tourna BHS. What do you think about Zyex in the mains with that in the cross?
 
#34
I used very harsh strings over my time and now use multi mains with poly crosses. I have the crosses 10lbs looser than the mains so it lasts very well and gives great spin and feel. I used to string full poly in the 60's for years and now I'm in the 40's[well 55/45] and I love the game more than ever:giggle:
 
#35
I’d advise you to do what I didn’t do - stop the poly immediately. There comes a point when you will struggle even with a gut/poly hybrid.

As others have mentioned, the Ashaway Monogut ZX is a very soft string that looks and plays like a powerful poly...looses a lot of tension unless pre-stretched.

Best of luck
 

Traffic

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#36
I’d advise you to do what I didn’t do - stop the poly immediately. There comes a point when you will struggle even with a gut/poly hybrid.

As others have mentioned, the Ashaway Monogut ZX is a very soft string that looks and plays like a powerful poly...looses a lot of tension unless pre-stretched.

Best of luck
ZX definitely plays soft and has good bite. But I found it to lose tension quickly even with pre-stretch.

Like others have said, I'd kick poly for now until arm health is restored.

Sounds like you're a pretty big hitter so stuff like full bed of Velocity may not hold up long enough for you. Might want to try gut/poly hybrid.

I'm enjoying playing with Velocity/Cream myself. But again, if you are a regular string breaker, this setup may not last long enough for your liking.

In any case, regular re-stringing seems like something that needs to be added to your checklist. My son plays with fb poly (HyperG 18) and he re-strings his racquet every 12hrs.
 
#37
ZX definitely plays soft and has good bite. But I found it to lose tension quickly even with pre-stretch.

Like others have said, I'd kick poly for now until arm health is restored.

Sounds like you're a pretty big hitter so stuff like full bed of Velocity may not hold up long enough for you. Might want to try gut/poly hybrid.

I'm enjoying playing with Velocity/Cream myself. But again, if you are a regular string breaker, this setup may not last long enough for your liking.

In any case, regular re-stringing seems like something that needs to be added to your checklist. My son plays with fb poly (HyperG 18) and he re-strings his racquet every 12hrs.
Probably depends on the type of prestretch. If you do the machine setting or around the pole good luck having that help with tension loss. A good prestretch should elongate zx 24”
 
#38
Kill the poly.....I'm put-off at players always trying to cure their overhitting or lack of control by using a "dead"feel string....poly is an arm killer period....some of us are lucky thru either tuff musculature and tendons or technique ...they have no problem with it...I came back to the sport after a 25 year layoff and had my racquets strung with this demon string that would not break and brought back my long dormant TE with a vengence....Now I spend more time at the wall honing my technique and use spin and touch to hit the ball where the opponent isn't...instead blasting thru all the time like some of our heroes...and use soft multis and synths so I can stay out there and play without pain...
 
#39
Switching to Hyper G may solve your problem all together. Have seen a number of players including myself begin to feel twinges in the arm and wrist with Tour Bite and switch to Hyper G and play with zero pain. See a number of aging players on the ATP and retired using Hyper G. Bryan Brothers and Roddick have gone to Hyper G at a fairly low tensions around 52lbs.
 
#40
I use a hybrid of solinco tour bite and tourna big hitter silver. I string at 48/45. Lately, I’m starting to feel some golfer’s elbow. It’s weird; I’ve never had it before and I’m actually hitting less lately.

At any rate, I’m wondering if I should change it up a little. I used a synth gut in the crosses recently and it felt pretty good for about 2 hours then it became uncontrollable.

Now I’m considerjng using cream in the crosses to get some softness but still maintain poly spin and control.

Any other options or ideas you would suggest?
go with very soft ply like , vokle cyclone tour,,,, or Luxilon element
 
#42
Switching to Hyper G may solve your problem all together. Have seen a number of players including myself begin to feel twinges in the arm and wrist with Tour Bite and switch to Hyper G and play with zero pain. See a number of aging players on the ATP and retired using Hyper G. Bryan Brothers and Roddick have gone to Hyper G at a fairly low tensions around 52lbs.
Does Roddick not hybrid with NG anymore?
 

liftordie

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#45
Test out Signum Pro X-Perience in the mains. Even a full bed feels very easy on the arm. I'm using the 17g version at 46/44 in a 98" Pure Strike 16x19. I emailed TW and they said they won't sell reels on the US site but I got one from the TW Europe site at a good price.
X-perience/Pro's Pro sgut is a damn good hybrid!!! :alien:(y)
 
#49
YES to Signum Pro X-perience. I use a full bed in an 18x20 racquet and it's buttery soft but maintains great control. Has much of the same characteristics with the likes of Tour Bite & Hyper G but easy on the arm. Stay away from Solinco strings if you want to preserve your arms long term. I developed golfer's elbow after switching from Yonex PTP (another soft string) to Hyper G 5 months ago and still haven't recovered.
 
#50
If you think you have to use a poly, put it in the crosses, with a synthetic gut or multi in the mains. You'll still get plenty of spin, maybe a tad more power.
 
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