Fun take: 2007 Nadal was better than 2011 Nadal on all surfaces when healthy

Which of these seasonal showings of The Nadal was better on which surface when not rusty or injured?

  • 11 on clay, 11 on grass, 07 on hard

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  • 11 on clay, 07 on grass, 07 on hard

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  • Total voters
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  • Poll closed .
Clay:

2007 Nadal: super dominant, routined everyone but the toughest opponents. Dominated MC and Barcelona, bested supercharged Davydenko in epic Rome SF, one loss in Hamburg final when he was fairly tired and Federer was zoning like mad, but responded with a brilliant RG capped off with a massively clutch performance against peak Federer in the final.

2011 Nadal: dropped a 2-6 set to Murray in MC (Rafa's best haven in BO3, wot ze hell?), dropped TB sets to Lorenzi in Rome and two to Isner at RG, struggled with past-prime Fedr more than with peak one in 07, oh and of course he lost twice to Djokovic but that's not even the main problem as I showed.

Grass:

2007 Nadal: struggled early on but found peak form in 4R/QF and gave still near-peak Fedr a great scare in the final, could've won if a few points went his way.

2011 Nadal: struggled less en route but completely fudged it up mentally in the final, 1/6 BP saved with a breadstick lolwot is this. Novak was good but with his dropping sets to Baghdatis and Tomic he certainly wasn't on the level of 07 Grasserer.

Hard:
aha, this one is the closest obviously but even there 07dal's superiority shines through:

2007 Nadal:

beat a solid Murray at AO then lost to supercharged Gonzo (same shyt happened in 08 vs Tsonga, it is ok), put up a masterful peak display in IW (didn't drop a set, broken only 3 times in 6 matches, umbilleevel), was strong in Miami and Canada losing to eventual champ Djokovic.

Was sick in Cincy (retired) and had his usual knee thing at the USO, outlasted by Ferrer, so those are excused. Back to strong for his standards (considering indoor weakness) in Madrid and Paris - got destroyed by eventual champ Nalbandian both times, but at least he made it that far.

Made YEC SF, lost to goating Fedr (could've played better but Fed was in unbreakable bot mode anyway, 80% 1st serve you kidding me)

2011 Nadal:

pulled hamstring, lost easily to Ferrer at the AO. Had the draw of gods at IW (no top 80 players xD) and started well vs Djo but then forgot how to hit 1st serve (ridiculous for someone serving as safely as nads) and got pwned badly - worse than 07. Played extremely well in Miami losing serve just once before F, gave his all vs BOATOV1C losing in 3rd set TB - better than 07. So far so good when healthy.

But then disgustery erupts: epic choke to Dodig (huh?) in Canada, destroyed himself in self-imposed epic vs Verdaco in Cincy and lost easily to Fish, made USO final looking ok but got pwned badly and had to engage 9000% mode to sneak a set, destroyed in Tokyo final by Murray (last two sets), botty loss to Mayer in Shanghai, destroyed by Fedr in YEC RR (lost RR 1-2 record).

Basically 11 Nadal only looks better cause of the USO, but it wasn't great given the pwnage (and that selfsame PEAKOV1C just barely escaped old bones in SF). Other than that, he sux'd pretty sad for his standards post-Wimbledon despite playing healthy, whereas 2007 Nadal maintained composure throughout the entire season except Cincy-USO when he was traditionally injured so it doesn't count.
 
Meh, 2007 wins basically everything except the USO and maybe Miami. But the USO is a big deal and it's hard to extrapolate how well 2007dal would have played if healthy. Obviously 2007 was better on 2/3.
USO 07 is paralleled with AO 11 cause RAFA was injured in both. Compare AO 07 with USO 11, and the only difference seems to be Nadal spilling his guts to take that damned set in 11. I would assess Magical Gonzo AO 07 and Shoulderovic USO 11 as same, considering both were down 6-7 4-6 to Fedr but one was up against Mythical Peak Fedr, who powered on and servebotted intensely in the last two sets, while the other was facing decaying bones that needed rest and allowed Djoko to seize two straight sets with next to no fight, peak fred would never don'tcha think?
 

yokied

Professional
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NatF

Bionic Poster
USO 07 is paralleled with AO 11 cause RAFA was injured in both. Compare AO 07 with USO 11, and the only difference seems to be Nadal spilling his guts to take that damned set in 11. I would assess Magical Gonzo AO 07 and Shoulderovic USO 11 as same, considering both were down 6-7 4-6 to Fedr but one was up against Mythical Peak Fedr, who powered on and servebotted intensely in the last two sets, while the other was facing decaying bones that needed rest and allowed Djoko to seize two straight sets with next to no fight, peak fred would never don'tcha think?
I wouldn't call the AO 2007 and USO 2011 a wash tbh.
 

King No1e

Legend
I'll take the polar opposite choice. 2011 Nadal didn't lose a match to anyone other than the peak version of Djokovic (which is understandable given how insanely good Djoker was in 2011). Meanwhile 07 Nadal got crushed by Federer (got bageled too).
2007 Nadal would get crushed on HC, no questions. He never got close to anything like making the USO final in 2011.
On grass both versions lost early in Queen's and made the Wimbledon final. This one is pretty much dead even as Nadal gave a bigger fight in 07 final (although Federer wasn't quite as scary in 07 final as he was in 06 or as Djokovic was in 11), but had more.difficulty in the early rounds. I'd give this a perfect 50/50, which means 2011 Nadal absolutely could win a Wimby final vs his 2007 self.
 
Fail thread... Without Djokovic, 2011 Nadal has a potential GOAT season like his 2010 one. 2007 Nadal was only better on clay
Of course Nadal never lost to Ferrer, Dodig (LOL!), Fish, Mayer, Tsonga on hardcourt, didn't lose 6-3 6-0 to Federer and wasn't bageled by Murray. Leave alone all the problems he had on clay, losing sets to nobodies all the time.

Nadal on clay and grass was MUCH better in 2007 than in 2011 and it's not even close. On hardcourt it's closer, and you might give the edge to 2011 Nadal only because he reached USO final that year. In pretty much every other hardcourt tournament he was better in 2007. (including IW and Miami)
 

Crisstti

Legend
I think OP makes a great point, but that spectacular third set in the 2011 USO makes it difficult for me to vote.
 

NatF

Bionic Poster
I think OP makes a great point, but that spectacular third set in the 2011 USO makes it difficult for me to vote.
The rest of the match tho...Nadal had no serve in that final, neither of them did. Some brutal rallies but that's because neither guy was getting free points.
 

Nadal_Django

Hall of Fame
2011 was better without any doubt. Even when you watch some YouTube highlights it is easily noticeable how much better his strokes are, especially his serve and backhand. Also he was much more offensive in 2011, especially with his forehand. In 2007 he was like just push the ball in play and then defend like crazy. Yeah, much better and complete player in 2011.
 
2011 was better without any doubt. Even when you watch some YouTube highlights it is easily noticeable how much better his strokes are, especially his serve and backhand. Also he was much more offensive in 2011, especially with his forehand. In 2007 he was like just push the ball in play and then defend like crazy. Yeah, much better and complete player in 2011.
Lol, said by a Djokovic fan. Your username doesn't fool us. :-D :-D :-D :-D
 

NatF

Bionic Poster
True... but that set :eek:

It was a brutal match. First set was 1:20 iirc, and it was 6-2!
Only Djokodal could play a 1:20 6-2 set :-D I thought Djokovic was done at the beginning of the 4th, guy was rolling in 80 mph first serves. Think Nadal had several bp's early on and then Djokovic started swinging for the fences off the ground and Nadal caved.
 

Sabrina

Rookie
As far as tournaments go

Qatar/Chennai: Lol who cares?
AO: 2007 ~ 2011 (maybe 2011 was a tad better)
IW: 2007 of course
Miami: 2011 clearly
Monte Carlo: 2007
Barcelona: 2007 ~ 2011
Rome: 2007
Madrid/Hamburg: 2007 (barely IMO)
RG: 2007 (could be his second highest level at RG after 2008)
Wimbledon: 2007
Rogers Coupe: 2007
Cincinnati: 2011
Us Open: 2011
2007 for the rest of the year.
So overall I would go with 2007.

You could make a case for 2010 Nadal better than 2007 Nadal overall but not 2011 Nadal IMO (with or without Djokovic).
 
As far as tournaments go

Qatar/Chennai: Lol who cares?
AO: 2007 ~ 2011 (maybe 2011 was a tad better)
IW: 2007 of course
Miami: 2011 clearly
Monte Carlo: 2007
Barcelona: 2007 ~ 2011
Rome: 2007
Madrid/Hamburg: 2007 (barely IMO)
RG: 2007 (could be his second highest level at RG after 2008)
Wimbledon: 2007
Rogers Coupe: 2007
Cincinnati: 2011
Us Open: 2011
2007 for the rest of the year.
So overall I would go with 2007.

You could make a case for 2010 Nadal better than 2007 Nadal overall but not 2011 Nadal IMO (with or without Djokovic).
I wouldn't say clearly better. Nadal-Djokovic match in Miami 2011 was closer than in 2007, but I think in 2007 there was very high quality. An underrated match by the way.
 

Sabrina

Rookie
I wouldn't say clearly better. Nadal-Djokovic match in Miami 2011 was closer than in 2007, but I think in 2007 it was higher quality. An underrated match by the way.
Nadal also beat Federer and a well-playing Berdych before that. He was better at Miami in 2011 IMO.
 
As far as tournaments go

Qatar/Chennai: Lol who cares?
AO: 2007 ~ 2011 (maybe 2011 was a tad better)
IW: 2007 of course
Miami: 2011 clearly
Monte Carlo: 2007
Barcelona: 2007 ~ 2011
Rome: 2007
Madrid/Hamburg: 2007 (barely IMO)
RG: 2007 (could be his second highest level at RG after 2008)
Wimbledon: 2007
Rogers Coupe: 2007
Cincinnati: 2011
Us Open: 2011
2007 for the rest of the year.
So overall I would go with 2007.

You could make a case for 2010 Nadal better than 2007 Nadal overall but not 2011 Nadal IMO (with or without Djokovic).
Exactly as I was thinking. The USO was the only top tournament where Nadal did markedly better in 11 than 07, while he did markedly better in 07 than 11 in Canada, Paris and YEC. Is losing one slam to the eventual winner worth losing two masters and YEC to the eventual winner, is the gist of the comparison I figure.
 
I wouldn't say clearly better. Nadal-Djokovic match in Miami 2011 was closer than in 2007, but I think in 2007 there was very high quality. An underrated match by the way.
Nah, Djokovic was very good in 07 miami but 2011 miami was his absolute career best and Nadal still willed himself to third set TB against MiamiGOAT.
 

NoleFam

G.O.A.T.
So basically what the end conclusion we must reach is Federer beat a better version of Nadal than Djokovic did? Does that cover it? Lol.
 

Towny

Hall of Fame
2007 was a great year for Nadal, unfortunately marred by later season injuries. Clearly better on both clay and grass. But not sure about hard court:

Indian Wells: 2007 Nadal doesn't drop a set, 2011 Nadal loses in 3 to Peakovic. Probably go with 2007 Nadal for this

Miami: 2007 Nadal gets straight-setted in the QF by an admittedly on fire Djokovic. 2011 Nadal routines Federer and goes the distance with Peak Djokovic. 2011 Nadal wins

Montreal: 2007 Nadal loses to Djokovic in straights. 2011 Nadal gets taken out in a very tight match against Dodig in R2. 2007 Nadal wins

Cincinnati: 2007 Nadal injured and loses early. 2011 Nadal gets a little further before losing to Fish. Difficult to compare as 2007 Nadal injured

Madrid/Shanghai: 2007 Nadal obliterated by zoning Nalbandian in the QF. 2011 Nadal straight setted by F Mayer in R3. 2007 Nadal loses to the far better opponent, but gets destroyed. Does far worse against Nalbandian than any of the other 5 players he plays. Overall, roughly a tie

Paris: 2007 Nadal loses to zoning Nalbandian in the final. 2011 Nadal doesn't play. Can't really compare

TMC/WTF: 2007 Nadal beats Djokovic and Gasquet. Loses to in form Ferrer and is beaten down by peaking Federer. 2011 Nadal beats Fish but loses to Tsonga and is destroyed by Fed. Fairy similar in that Nadal loses only to Federer in straights and then a closer match with the other finalist. 2007 Nadal slightly better overall though

USO 2007/AO 2011: Nadal harbouring injury in both. Loses to Ferrer in both. Tie

AO 2007/USO 2011. Nadal 2007 gets routined in the QF by on-fire Gonzalez. Nadal 2011 gets to the final, beating Murray in the SF, before losing to Peak Djokovic in 4. 2011 Nadal wins

So 2007 Nadal clearly better at the masters and YEC. 2011 Nadal has a far better showing at the USO than anything 2007 Nadal did at the hard court slams. Given slams are ultimately the most important events, I'd have to give 2011 Nadal the overall edge on hard court, although it is certainly close and 2007 Nadal is definitely underrated.
 

Nadal_Django

Hall of Fame
So basically what the end conclusion we must reach is Federer beat a better version of Nadal than Djokovic did?
The funniest thing about the OP's fun take is that like 99% of the more extreme Maestronians think that Nadal in 2007 was better than in 2011 anyway, so i don't know what is the fun part in his take in the first place.:oops:
 

NoleFam

G.O.A.T.
The conclusion is, don't pretend Djokovic beat peak Nadal in 2011 (except Miami).
Just like we must pretend that Lendl holding 3 USOs and reaching 8 finals is far better than Djokovic's 3 USOs and 8 finals, right? Dude what is up with this trolling you are doing the last couple of days?

And Nadal was peak in 2011. He was 24/25, #1 and holding 3 Slams, and made almost every Tier 1 final from IW to USO.
 

NoleFam

G.O.A.T.
The funniest thing about the OP's fun take is that like 99% of the more extreme Maestronians think that Nadal in 2007 was better than in 2011 anyway, so i don't know what is the fun part in his take in the first place.:oops:
I mean the agenda is pretty obvious but ridiculous. They both beat great versions of Nadal. It's ridiculous that we have to do this everyday about everything to prove that my guy is better than your guy.
 

NatF

Bionic Poster
2007 was a great year for Nadal, unfortunately marred by later season injuries. Clearly better on both clay and grass. But not sure about hard court:

Indian Wells: 2007 Nadal doesn't drop a set, 2011 Nadal loses in 3 to Peakovic. Probably go with 2007 Nadal for this

Miami: 2007 Nadal gets straight-setted in the QF by an admittedly on fire Djokovic. 2011 Nadal routines Federer and goes the distance with Peak Djokovic. 2011 Nadal wins

Montreal: 2007 Nadal loses to Djokovic in straights. 2011 Nadal gets taken out in a very tight match against Dodig in R2. 2007 Nadal wins

Cincinnati: 2007 Nadal injured and loses early. 2011 Nadal gets a little further before losing to Fish. Difficult to compare as 2007 Nadal injured

Madrid/Shanghai: 2007 Nadal obliterated by zoning Nalbandian in the QF. 2011 Nadal straight setted by F Mayer in R3. 2007 Nadal loses to the far better opponent, but gets destroyed. Does far worse against Nalbandian than any of the other 5 players he plays. Overall, roughly a tie

Paris: 2007 Nadal loses to zoning Nalbandian in the final. 2011 Nadal doesn't play. Can't really compare

TMC/WTF: 2007 Nadal beats Djokovic and Gasquet. Loses to in form Ferrer and is beaten down by peaking Federer. 2011 Nadal beats Fish but loses to Tsonga and is destroyed by Fed. Fairy similar in that Nadal loses only to Federer in straights and then a closer match with the other finalist. 2007 Nadal slightly better overall though

USO 2007/AO 2011: Nadal harbouring injury in both. Loses to Ferrer in both. Tie

AO 2007/USO 2011. Nadal 2007 gets routined in the QF by on-fire Gonzalez. Nadal 2011 gets to the final, beating Murray in the SF, before losing to Peak Djokovic in 4. 2011 Nadal wins

So 2007 Nadal clearly better at the masters and YEC. 2011 Nadal has a far better showing at the USO than anything 2007 Nadal did at the hard court slams. Given slams are ultimately the most important events, I'd have to give 2011 Nadal the overall edge on hard court, although it is certainly close and 2007 Nadal is definitely underrated.
I think this is fair. Making a HC slam final has to put 2011 above 2007 on HC even if some of that is luck of the draw and injuries. Still 2/3 for 2007dal though.
 

NatF

Bionic Poster
I mean the agenda is pretty obvious but ridiculous. They both beat great versions of Nadal. It's ridiculous that we have to do this everyday about everything to prove that my guy is better than your guy.
lol like this thread is even an iceberg tip compared the threads from Djokodal fans lately.
 

Raphael Nadal

Professional
Rafa hit crosscourt too much in 2011, as he'd lost confidence, and only his physicality allowed him to have a decent year.
When Rafa is at his peak he's hitting forehand-down-the-line winners, and 2011 was too crosscourt and too reliant on court coverage.
2011 US Open Final was an example of Rafa putting his body through hell because he couldn't make himself go down-the-line, whereas in 2010 and 2013 US Open Finals Rafa completely took the racquet out of Djokovic's hands :)
 
Just like we must pretend that Lendl holding 3 USOs and reaching 8 finals is far better than Djokovic's 3 USOs and 8 finals, right? Dude what is up with this trolling you are doing?
Of course 3 straight titles, 8 straight finals and 11 straight instances of losing to the eventual winner are better than 3 non-straight titles and 8 non-straight finals, plus Djokovic's best lost final is worse than Lendl's best and second best lost finals so that seals it. You're just enamoured with his BOATness so can't see.
 
Just like we must pretend that Lendl holding 3 USOs and reaching 8 finals is far better than Djokovic's 3 USOs and 8 finals, right? Dude what is up with this trolling you are doing the last couple of days?

And Nadal was peak in 2011. He was 24/25, #1 and holding 3 Slams, and made almost every Tier 1 final from IW to USO.
Funniest thing is that if one says Djokovic was at his peak in 2013 you will find an absolutely ridiculous reason to why he wasn't.
 

NatF

Bionic Poster
Funniest thing is that if one says Djokovic was at his peak in 2013 you will find an absolutely ridiculous reason to why he wasn't.
Neither guy peaked for a prolonged period unlike Fed, so I guess it's a bit more debatable which years they were actually peaking.
 
I think 2011 was peak (or at least prime Nadal). Djokovic just destroyed his confidence after that Miami match (Novak now can even outlast him physically).
He was prime, but not peak. Credit to Djokovic for being in great form all year, but no matter the reason, a fact remains a fact-Nadal never played close to his peak level in 2011, at least after Miami.

It's just like Federer in 2008-he was at his prime, but not peak level.
 
Funniest thing is that if one says Djokovic was at his peak in 2013 you will find an absolutely ridiculous reason to why he wasn't.
Well, Djokovic obviously wasn't peaking in 2012-14 except selected tournaments. His fault, he was in physical prime so could have peaked more often but didn't for some reason.
 

Sabrina

Rookie
He was prime, but not peak. Credit to Djokovic for being in great form all year, but no matter the reason, a fact remains a fact-Nadal never played close to his peak level in 2011, at least after Miami.

It's just like Federer in 2008-he was at his prime, but not peak level.
Yes mostly due to the low confidence IMO. Feel like he could have done a bit more had he managed to win 2011 Miami final.
 
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