Future of Alcaraz - Sinner rivalry?

Future of rivalry?

  • Sinner will dominate next few years. Alcaraz will have to wait.

    Votes: 15 30.0%

  • Alcaraz will donate

    Votes: 3 6.0%

  • There will be balance in rivalry.

    Votes: 32 64.0%
  • Total voters
    50
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D.Nalby12

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At this point it looks like Sinner has solved Alcaraz on Clay and grass. He has already established himself as better hard court player. He was leading 2-0 in FO final and lost it after having MPs. He defeated Alcaraz in four sets in Wimbledon final. He was a break up in first set as well. So it looks like his level is much higher than Alcaraz but its his mental block put him down against Alcaraz. Once mental block is gone - he might dominate Alcaraz for years to come.

What do you think of future of this rivalry? I think Alcaraz is going to struggle against Sinner in next few years. He will have to patiently Wait for his chances or for drop in Sinner's level.
 
In the long term injuries may influence the final outcome… and I think Sinner is more injury prone, so Alcaraz will be more successful.
 
I think it will ultimately be pretty even, kind of like the Djokovic ones with Federer or Nadal. Sinner may well have it tied up if they meet a few times in the upcoming HC season but then Carlos will strike back, and it will just go back and forth their whole careers
 
The Blond Blur said:
Based on what? Carl got pushed to 5 by ancient Fog who’s never been good on grass. And the Sinner was all but Finnish vs Old Gregg before he tore his pec. They have ATG talent, but no way do they have top 5 peak level of play.
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And Sinner should have lost to Dimitrov love how you left that part out. He was down 2 sets to 0, and only was given a chance to be in the final.due to an opponents injury.

Sinner was better on the day for sure. But I definitely wouldn't be counting out Alcaraz on getting his revenge at Wimbledon next year. Alcaraz holds the superior grass record after all.
 
I think there will be lots of back and forth action. A lot of their matches have been really really close, so I hope that trend continues.
 
The best thing about this tennis rivalry is that one player is named "Alcaraz" while the other is named "Sinner." This year, a guy named Scheffler won two golf majors (PGA & British Open). Last year, a guy named Schauffele won two golf majors (PGA & British Open). The Big 1.5?
 
KennyoFatoBoiyo said:
And Sinner should have lost to Dimitrov love how you left that part out. He was down 2 sets to 0, and only was given a chance to be in the final.due to an opponents injury.

Sinner was better on the day for sure. But I definitely wouldn't be counting out Alcaraz on getting his revenge at Wimbledon next year. Alcaraz holds the superior grass record after all.
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Love how you clearly didn’t bother to read my post before jumping to conclusions:
The Blond Blur said:
Based on what? Carl got pushed to 5 by ancient Fog who’s never been good on grass. And the Sinner was all but Finnish vs Old Gregg before he tore his pec. They have ATG talent, but no way do they have top 5 peak level of play.
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The rivalry is still in its infancy, it still has miles to go.

Remember the Nadal-Djokovic rivalry, first Nadal had it his way. But later Djokovic dominated all around except on clay.
 
I think Sinner has the momentum right now, but I’m sure Alcaraz will find a way to get back on top. Ultimately I feel it’s going to be 50-50.
 
Rafa4LifeEver said:
We'd see about that in a decade.
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Sinner takes bigger risks and will get bigger rewards and that will make the difference in their careers. Ferrero has got to go if he wants to keep up with Sinner. Sinner doesn’t joke about improvement.

Not that Alcaraz won’t do it, but Sinner genuinely isn’t afraid of. He sacked Piatti after he lost in straight sets at AO 2022 to Tsitsipas, then a year later he lost in five despite being the statistically better player when they had the rematch. Then 2 weeks after that he crushes the Greek in straights at Rotterdam. Those are the risks Sinner is willing to make to become a better player
 
Vincent-C said:
I'm curious if Carrot's ultra-spindly body (more so than any other top player in my recollection) is going to hold up over time.
If it does, I think he'll generally get the best of tiny in majors.
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This is actually a good question. Looking at the performance graphs Carlos was incredible precocious but his improvement rate has slowed over the last three years - crazy to write something like that after seeing him winning those slams. He is shorter and stockier, more big cat and might age earlier.

Jannik's rise has been somewhat slower but his improvement rate faster in recent years. He has grown later which in football shifts the prime and allows for better performance at a later stage. His body is slender but sinewy, more akin to a greyhound.
 
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dking68 said:
The rivalry will be balanced but Sinner wins more slams per year and keeps the number one ranking.Thats how I see it.
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I think it will be kinda similar to Nadal-Federer. Alcaraz has slightly more slams but Sinner has way more weeks at number 1
 
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I think the current head to head might narrow a bit, but will stay edged towards Alcaraz overall as it is now.

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As other mentioned though, injuries can change things quickly. Or just having one bad season. So Sinner seems more prone to injuries, but Alcaraz still loses confidence and is working through bad bouts.

Just like we have both leading the ATP at the moment. Great high level play for this new era.
 
Dropshot777 said:
Yes, but Alcaraz is younger and being tall can be hard on the knees. I see Alcaraz having a longer career where he can sneak in some slams while sinner is away.
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Sinner is not so much older than Alcaraz that he is guaranteed to begin to decline first from aging (i.e., maybe 7-10 years from now), but the two-year age gap is enough that it's possible that Sinner could begin to decline first. So yes, it's conceivable that Alcaraz could find some free space toward the tail end of their rivalry. But whether either or both would still be at a slam-winning level at such a time remains to be seen.
 
dking68 said:
Sinner takes bigger risks and will get bigger rewards and that will make the difference in their careers. Ferrero has got to go if he wants to keep up with Sinner. Sinner doesn’t joke about improvement.

Not that Alcaraz won’t do it, but Sinner genuinely isn’t afraid of. He sacked Piatti after he lost in straight sets at AO 2022 to Tsitsipas, then a year later he lost in five despite being the statistically better player when they had the rematch. Then 2 weeks after that he crushes the Greek in straights at Rotterdam. Those are the risks Sinner is willing to make to become a better player
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Yes, but write Carlos off at your own risk dude.
 
Dropshot777 said:
Yes, but Alcaraz is younger and being tall can be hard on the knees. I see Alcaraz having a longer career where he can sneak in some slams while sinner is away.
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I personally don’t. His game is physically taxing and demanding and he reaches for every ball. Sinner will be more dominant, consistent and will be making more finals.
 
dking68 said:
Sinner takes bigger risks and will get bigger rewards and that will make the difference in their careers. Ferrero has got to go if he wants to keep up with Sinner. Sinner doesn’t joke about improvement.

Not that Alcaraz won’t do it, but Sinner genuinely isn’t afraid of. He sacked Piatti after he lost in straight sets at AO 2022 to Tsitsipas, then a year later he lost in five despite being the statistically better player when they had the rematch. Then 2 weeks after that he crushes the Greek in straights at Rotterdam. Those are the risks Sinner is willing to make to become a better player
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The Spanish tend to be overly loyal against their own good. Look at Rafa and uncle Toni, when there was a point he probably should have gone. And most of all Aranxta Sanchez and her crazy Mom who never left her side. Conchita Martinez and Tarabini.
 
dking68 said:
I personally don’t. His game is physically taxing and demanding and he reaches for every ball. Sinner will be more dominant, consistent and will be making more finals.
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Agreed. I think Sinner basically has more of everything except maybe grand slams. More masters 1000s more titles, more YEC for sure.
 
Rafa4LifeEver said:
Why should we assume it'd stay the same forever?
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The thing is Sinner isn’t afraid to take risks while I get the impression Alcaraz is unwilling or should I say, not readily willing to change. Look at how fast the Italian dropped his physios right before a big tournament such as Wimbledon. Thats a big fear for most, if not all top players, but not Sinner. Also, he changed his service motion in the middle of 2023 and it has paid off - he’s got the greatest holds of serve in the last 52 weeks - most players wait until the off season to change their service motion, and again, not Sinner. He also changed his return position during the clay season this year, and again - it paid off, though he didn’t end up winning the biggest prize despite tremendous success to the lead up.

I want to see Alcaraz making some drastic changes. But for now how I see it, until he sacks Ferrero, I don’t see him winning an AO title anytime soon. But my best guess he’s too loyal to JC. Sinner doesn’t care. Sinner is a growth minded person.

Evidence of this - Sinner finished 10th in 2021, dropped to 15th in 2022, shot up to 4th at the end of 2023 and mid-2024 - present he’s number 1. Short term pains for long term successes

The talent Alcaraz has is unquestionable, and the same for Sinner but there’s a big difference in the mindset for change for both and ultimately it could make the difference in both players careers. Not saying that it will, but let’s see. Sinner is Novak-like in the sense while I get a Roger impression from Alcaraz.

@Kralingen can also attest to this. I’m certain
 
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D.Nalby12 said:
At this point it looks like Sinner has solved Alcaraz on Clay and grass. He has already established himself as better hard court player. He was leading 2-0 in FO final and lost it after having MPs. He defeated Alcaraz in four sets in Wimbledon final. He was a break up in first set as well. So it looks like his level is much higher than Alcaraz but its his mental block put him down against Alcaraz. Once mental block is gone - he might dominate Alcaraz for years to come.

What do you think of future of this rivalry? I think Alcaraz is going to struggle against Sinner in next few years. He will have to patiently Wait for his chances or for drop in Sinner's level.
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Sinner has the mental edge against Alcaraz. He's much more level-headed and focused than anyone else is on tour, even Novak right now who has always been a mental beast. The only advantage Alcaraz has over sinner his is variety and speed. As far as surfaces go, yes he's probably better on hard, but it's way too early to tell on grass and clay.
 
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