You know, I see PLENTY of drivel on this board about how various people wanting to try a game improvement or tweener stick if you will and how they sheould NOT try one of them and just move onto a full 340 gramme frame with a tiny head and dense string pattern because it will make them play better. Occasionally, you'll see mention of an oversize, but it is only one particular model, the Prince Graphite. Yes, once upon a time, many of the player style frames would have been considered game improvement frames, but that was in the days of wood, and a few aluminium standard head frames. These days are long gone. Many people these days just want to go out on court to have some fun. Does all this technology and the like make a racquet a piece of garbage? Nope not at all! Does it make it a poor choice for your game, perhaps so. Many here have to understand that the bulk of the market is taken up with sales from game improvement and tweener frames. This is where the companies make their bread and butter. It is just annoying after a while when someone who is a beginner or even a woman comes along and asks is for example a Wilson H4 good for my game? I am a 3.0 player, I play mostly from the back court and play lots of doubles, I have a relatively short backswing, and a slow swingspeed. I need something I can manuver easily, and something that will not make my arm tired. I've yet to really see someone say sure, that's a good idea for a frame to try, instead you see, no! Don't try that, it'll ruin your game, you'll get tennis elbow and you need to try player frame A, player frame B, and player frame D. Now this person might not be able to handle the weight of these frames being they are looking for something that will not make their arm tired, not to mention, they might not be able to move the frame around on the court, especially during thier weekly social doubles game. As for arm trouble, well, let's say the new Wilson Hammer/Triad line, are rather excellent when it comes to a nice dampened feel. This is the frist time in a long time I've no qualms about recommending one of them to a customer without worrying that it will aggrivate any sort of injury. Technologies such as in the past, Power Holes, Sweet Spot Suspension System, Catapult, Kinetic, Triad, ISIS, Woofer, Iso-Sorb, Iso-Grid, and the like have helped the recreational player quite a bit. Some of these technologies have even filtered into more advanced player frames, and have had a bit of a following, take a look at the Kinetic, Woofer, and even Catapult. The sheer ingorance of these facts, it's just saddening to someone who has been a professional in this business for years. Put aside your prejudices, and your ego and check out the brave new world out there. In the real world, that is what matters. People wanting to play and wanting to have fun. Not everyone can handle a 370 gramme frame with a 32 cm balance point strung tightly, some need a large head, light weight, a bit of length, lower tensions and a softer string to go out and make the sport fun for them. Sorry folks, but majority rules in this case, and for the marketing companies, this is what counts. Tom Martinez p.s. Please do NOT even get me started on people recommending discontinued models to try, especially when they are tough to source.