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  1. PrestigeDave45

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    Ok folks just wondering what the rules say here.
    Playing doubles earlier and one of our opponents makes a cough sound on pressure points when we are playing the ball. He did this consistently over the course of two hours mostly on pressure points but always when we were serving. On serve once the ball reached max height pre strike he cud be heard giving a subtle cough and then consistently during the course of the rally he did the same.
    What is the ruling here. Is there a ruling. Is it a suck it up and get on with it scenario.
    I asked him what he was doing on the changeover to which he just smiled and the other two players were not getting involved.
    Thoughts??
     
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  2. scotus

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    Let it go if you don't have to play him often.
     
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  3. Nostradamus

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    Ok, Illegal play to make distracting noise during point is in play. Not only unsporstman like but also against the Rules. It is Automatic loss of that point. if it happens again, Immediately stop the point and claim your point. That is the rules.
     
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  4. r2473

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    Call him for a footfault on his serve
     
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  5. Kevo

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    How rude. It sounds like he was doing it intentionally which is a hindrance and you can claim the point according to the code.

    However, in my experience nothing good comes from calling foot faults or hindrances. Most of the time I've done that, trying to think of a time it hasn't, people tend to get hostile and it makes things even worse.

    So my advice would be to take that opportunity to really practice your focus and mental game. Double down on concentrating on your own end of the court and change your measure for success during this match how well you can maintain focus and ignore the shenanigans.
     
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  6. Rattler

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    Or cough back on his service games...if it’s good for the goose...

    As far as claiming a hinderance, it’s really in the how it’s done...I’ve claimed a few, and it never blew up...but it’s all in the delivery, I just did it so matter of factly. It was like a Jedi mind trick...I asked them to stop, in my case it was tapping a racquet on second serves, jumping around and stomping their feet on our serves...Each time I asked them to stop it, when they did it again I caught my toss and called the score...moved to the other court and nothing...each time they asked on the change over and once again matter of factly I explained it without any hint of anger or emotion...nothing...each time it didn’t happen again.
     
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  7. Pete Player

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    You could have offered him a pack of tic-tacs.

    I got into a similar situation, kind of, once.

    As I prepped to serve the opponent anounced the score every time, I had my bouncing routines finished and about to toss the ball.

    It was really annoying and distracting. I started anouncing the score louder and louder, then waited for him to echo it before doing my business.

    Making a change worked in that situation, but for most part it is a matter of just blocking such things out of my mind.


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    ...and now YOU are the master... Well done!!
     
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  9. golden chicken

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    I'd peg him at net and then cough before saying sorry insincerely.
     
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    Reminds me of grunters I have played who only do it unnecessarily and some of the time and at different volumes when they do. Now when I run into that I just start grunting back more vociferously and ridiculously than they do. It doesn't always work but it's fun and at least let's them know that you know what they are doing.
     
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    HHHEEEUUUGGHHHHH
     
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    0:48 & 5:02:

     
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  13. PrestigeDave45

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    Let it go is exactly what I would like to do but unfortunately I play and will be playing this guy quite a bit. He does not like losing to me as im a returning player back playing now 6 years or so. My perception of this guy is he is some sort of control moron who's had it all his own way for quite a bit. Looks like a bully to me.
    Truth is I love taking him down but he knows my weakness is focus under pressure and taps that screw every chance he gets. Sad really as were both in out 50s.
    Anyway thanks
     
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  14. MisterP

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    Throw the toss up. Wait for the cough. When he does it, you let the ball drop and ask him if he needs to take a break and get some water or a cough drop. Put it in his face in those pressure moments a little.
     
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  15. nytennisaddict

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    alternatively, hold your hand up, and say, "hold it",... as he tosses the ball.
    claim you saw a ball coming onto the court. even more effective if no one else is playing next to you.
     
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    That makes him the perfect person to practice your mental game against. Just make focus a priority. Find something to work at when he's trying to get in your head. Have a plan of counter attack and just concentrate on it and execute. The satisfaction of beating him will be even greater and after 2 or 3 more matches with him your mental game should be one or two notches higher. Before long he won't stand a chance. That will be some serious satisfaction. Then you can really blow his mind by thanking him for his obnoxious behavior and how much it's really helped your game. ;-)
     
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    Just imagine his deflated ego when he throws his best cough weapon at you and you're impervious to it. Once you take away his weapon, what's he going to do? He's got to actually beat you playing tennis. Maybe he's not accustomed to doing this anymore.
     
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  18. PrestigeDave45

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    Hi and thanks.
    Jumping around, stomping feet, tapping racket? This must have been very excessive for you to call a fault. Is it against the rules to move around while awaiting a service return?
    Thats interesting.
     
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    If it's done solely with the intent to distract. That's the potentially gray area.

    If I run around my BH because I anticipate the serve and want to hit a FH, that's completely legal.

    OTOH, I saw a video of a returner's partner who did a jumping jack just as the server served.
     
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  20. PrestigeDave45

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    Good luck to you if you're going to call a fault on that one. Just too grey isn't it
     
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    What is the rule exactly? Or where can I find it?
    Thanks
     
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    I called a Hinderance and took the point....after I told him to stop it.

    Stomping his feet and tapping the racquet were only done on my 2nd Serve, not on my first...a clear, or if you will, Textbook illustration of an intentional Hinderance.
     
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  23. Rattler

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    ITF Rules of Tennis...go to their website
    Google it
    Google 2018 Friend at Court...search the PDF for definition of Hinderance

    Edit...pg. 40 of the FAC, fyi
     
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  24. Rattler

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    Why do tennis players act like the rules are something to slide by, similar to besting the IRS, or use them as a ‘gotcha’ moment when it suits them...just play.


    Also another pet peeve is those that are clueless of what the rule actually means...those are my favorite ones.

    Like they read them in the late 1990s and vauguely recall it, usually with a spotty memory and a highly questionable reading comprehension level.
     
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  25. PrestigeDave45

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    Found it rule 40 under hinderance issues.
    Thanks
     
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  26. Booger

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    lol who are these people? Who does that?
     
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