Discussion in 'Strings' started by corners, Feb 15, 2014.
Where did $20/half set come from? If that's right then this string is going nowhere.
agreed if that is indeed the price
It is. $19.95
So cars are emitting TEFLON FEP particles?
This string is not sticky, it is brittle.
Hit with it the crap out of balls and you will inhale TEFLON FEP.
One particle could be enough in your lungs.
I rather inhale burned fuel.
That ship is sunk before it's left harbor. I mean, I'm a slippery string maniac, a fanatic. But I'm not paying natural gut prices for some mystery string that reduces inter-string friction by the claimed 20%. Wilson and Prince's open patterned frames reduce total inter-string friction much more than 20% and don't require super-expensive string.
Agreed. WAY too pricey!!!
Yeah, it's just too much. I know this is a string that could be perfect for you too, V-verb - maybe giving you better string life without lubrication - but only at a reasonable price.
One particle, huh?
The gamma rep was at my club today and offered me a free set if I was willing to give some feedback to our stringer. I'll try any string once so I said sure. I think they are using sonic pro tour in the mains. I will do my best to give a review on here in a couple of days. I'm a 4.0 player, I have a simi western almost western forehand and a one handed backhand. I play with a APD 2013 with rpm blast at 52 lbs.
Not sure why Gama would price it that high. They are not giving themselves the chance to develop a following when the are selling it at natural gut prices. You can only launch a product once and Gamma doesn't have the luxury of Babolat's or Luxilon's string reputation.
One particle of TEFLON FEP can be enough to cause cancer.
But i bet you get more particles in your lung for 20 bucks /6 meters.
Take the 20 bucks and get some seconds advice by a pro.
Brings you more for your top spin game.
i find it interesting that you seem to be resistant to lead-poisoning.
hi Corners, you are absolutely right!
However yesterday I went to my music store and bought some Fast Fret guitar fret lube. It should last quite a while for less than $9 and avoid me spraying silicone and essentially wasting most of the spray.
Then I hope that you don't eat in restaurants! PTFE sprays are commonly used for maintaining kitchen machinery. They put lots of PTFE in the air. And they're not being applied under "clean room" conditions with perfect control. They're being applied by average Joes while the kitchen is operating.
PTFE sprays are also used for bicycle maintenance. Which means that if your bike was serviced by a major chain of stores you probably got PTFE on your socks and pants which ended up on your hands, in your food, and in your home.
And it's used on the glides in your draws in your kitchen!!! As those "plastic", PTFE glides are abraded by the metal runners you're almost certainly getting particles floating around your utensils.
Finally, if you hit with any pace and spin, then you're leaving contrails of tennis ball fuzz floating around your head and breathing in that cloud of debris as you follow through. I'm only a mid-level rec player and generate significant contrails of ball dust glistening in the sun. No doubt I've inhaled a fair amount of it.
I share your concerns about environmental hazards. We live in the most expensive suburb in Georgia and our lawn is the WORST looking in the neighborhood since we don't spray chemicals on it. We have two boys and never thought it was a good idea to put stuff in our grass that requires warning signs that it's dangerous to life. Our neighbors do that and their dog died from cancer and now their mom/wife has cancer. But our modern society is a chemical soup and in some cases worries can be overblown.
So, after all your blabbering about the health risks of playing with Glide, how do you know the chemical composition of a string that has not yet hit the market? Inquiring minds want to know.
Fast Fret, hmm, thanks for the tip.
Wait, what? A sensible post? I didn't think these were allowed on TT?
Depends how long it makes the string bed last. If it extends the playability of a poly bed and delays the strings notching or going dead, the higher cost no longer becomes a factor. If it adds performance as well, that's another bonus.
Needs a playtest.
But don't really want to pay for it at this price.
This is what I still don't understand. The string is covered up by a coating, so the string doesn't influence friction. If you reach the point where the coating has been frayed, the string will lose all playability and snap imminently. Which makes you wonder, why don't gut or nylon use the same coating as slippery polys or zyex?
Good. Vote with your wallet and they may drop the price. Unless production costs are sky high for this string, there must be room for a price drop.
As Torres said, it needs a playtest.
In the end, it will come down to supply and demand. If no one wants it and there is plenty of supply, the price will drop.
But if people try it and determine they get excellent life and better playability, then the price will probably stay right where it is.
I think it's short-sighted to determine something is overpriced (or under-priced for that matter) without trying it out and knowing what it's all about.
I used to think multis over $10 or $12 were silly, but once I tried Gamma Professional, I fell in love with it. I didn't intend to and kinda hated the fact that I did because I broke it every 6 to 8 hours, but I liked it (and still do) better than any other multi out there.
And I used to think paying for Natural Gut was crazy, but this was during the same time period I was breaking GPro every 6 to 8 hours. I finally decided to try natural gut and came to the conclusion that it was NOT outrageously expensive when you look at the overall cost/hour (more expensive up front yes, but not necessarily in the long run).
We don't know about Glide. Might turn out to be not worth the relatively high upfront cost. Then again, might turn out to be a bargain.
Deciding ahead of time doesn't make sense.
I won't say I'm a fan of the price point but I'll reserve judgement until I try it. If it performs as advertised and could extend the playability of my string bed, then it just comes down to the math on cost per hr of use versus any of my typical setups.
I should have a couple test sets in hand soon so we will see what happens...
I have some as of today. I'm hopeful I can get it in my racquet tonight before I play this evening. Will report back if I'm able to get it strung.
That sounds like a Jack G. connection....
;-) Good player. Better than me. Sometimes I can sneak a few games though.
Anyone know when the release date might be?
I'll try to find out the release date and if allowed, I will let you know.
I just finished installing it in my racquet. From a recommendation from someone "in the know" I was advised to combine it with a stiffer poly and up the tension close to 10%.
I did have Zo Tour in my racquet at M:53,X:50.
I strung this time with Moto 17 in the mains at 54 (mid pull) and Glide in the crosses at 57 (fast pull).
I use a Prince 6000, and Prince recommends:
Fast pull for nylon based strings (most synthetics and multis)
Mid pull for polys
Slow pull for natural gut and Kevlar
I didn't know what this Glide stuff was, but it felt soft and stretchy to me. It kinda reminded me a little bit of natural gut when I took it out of the packaging.
It was very easy to string. "Glides" easily over the mains when weaving (see what I did there?) ;-) and has almost zero coil memory so it was very easy to install.
It definitely did feel stretchy to me, but less so when pulling tension that what my first impression suggested it might be.
It will ghost just a little bit if your clamps are too tight, but not as much as those pesky multis like Maxim Touch for example.
I'll be hitting tonight, and if I'm able I might even take a quick video.
Ah, Torres! I'm not going to disagree with someone I'm so pleased to see un-banished.
I have and compared to other gut strings I have used, well it stunk - PU (puteo)
The coating came off like old paint peeling with a hybrid of it and Yonex PPT 130. The combo of a gut with "peeling paint" as an analogy, coupled with a Steam 99S meant a very short shelf live. It snapped in six sets. Tonic 15L lasts twice as long in a Steam 99S for me.
Stay far away from Klip Armour Pro in Prince ESP and Wilson Spin Effect Frames. It would probably work much better in an 18x20 frame or as a full bed.
Welcome back from the land of the "banned" --
The C3PO comment cracked me up, because it was spot on. lol (yes, I have seen the videos he has posted) :shock: - that was the last post I saw you make before you got the ban. Another guy and I asked TW to reinstate you, not that we had any influence at all, but hey we tried.
Now find me something like a Pro Hybrid grip or use your influence to get Wilson to reintroduce them. ]
Well there's a greater chance that the pro you hire turns out to be a serial murderer. So, mathematically, safer to go with the string.
I was going to reply to him with a post just like this, then I realized that I was likely having an argument about science with a teenager.
I just find it amusing that people are risking their health (One tiny particle of TEFLON FEP in your lungs can cause cancer) for maybe a bit more spin.
Instead to put the money in proper training.
I do not know which restaurants you visit.
Do not string your kitchen draw glides in a tennis racket and hit the crap out of tennis balls!!!!
Could cause cancer and TE.
Just got my samples of both Glide and the Moto/Glide hybrid. Probably be a week or so before I get them strung up but I'll report back.
5 pages of useless posts....
Did anybody actually hit with this string yet?
I did, yes. I just have not had time to write up my review yet, as I have a full time job and am under some very tight timelines right now.
Briefly... I think I personally, strung it too tight. I normally string crosses lower than mains. I didn't do that this time due to Gamma recommendation that it be strung 10% tighter. While it did feel stretchy to me and I can understand why they'd say that, I'm a lower tension guy and I think I should have stuck with my normal (string crosses down 3lbs) method of stringing.
My feeling is that when you string crosses tighter, it elongated the sweetspot and I don't care for that feel. Others (in fact many) may disagree, but my string beds are most comfy when I string down.
I also normally would not pair it with Moto, which is a good string but just too stiff for my aging/aching shoulder.
Spin was very good, but honestly I was severely distracted because of the "tight" setup I went with against my better judgment. My arm was aching and I couldn't really play as much as I wanted.
It really should be notes that I don't think the aching shoulder has anything at all to do with Glide. I recently switch to an extended length racquet, and I don't normally use polys or normally string as tight as I did, and that's really what I think ruined this playtest for me.
I have another pack of it, and a little birdie told me to trying pairing it with Professional (my personal favorite multi) and string at my usual tension and see if that doesn't offer me the feel and spin I want.
So I'm afraid my review isn't super useful this time because I'm going to cut the stuff out and trade it for Professional/Glide. I hope to do this in the next day or so and will report back.
Gamma glide is stiff.
Do not underestimate the arm killing vibrations of TEFLON FEP.
Is has reasons that it is advertised only as cross string.
Would you string it full bed you would also inhale two times more TEFLON FEP particles.
How do you know so much about the dangers of Teflon FEP? Are you in the industry? So far you've made a lot of claims in this thread without offering a shred of evidence to support them. Absent evidence, the least you can do is establish your credentials as an expert.
I'm playing more and more with spin racquets and there are lots of posts on strings, as the default option is full poly. I'll keep reading to see if someone has success with this option.
It certainly didn't seem stiff to me as I was stringing it. Perhaps not as stretchy as your typical multi, but certainly more so than a poly. At least that was the impression I felt as I was pulling tension with it.
My sources tell me it is actually a pretty powerful string, which is partly why there is a ~10% increase recommended.
Putting in either XP/Glide or Professional/Glide within the hour. Will give it another hit this evening.
In my experience Isospeed Professional is a terrible string to use in the mains if you want them to slide and snapback. The surface of Pro is not slippery, and it is soft and easily deformable, and therefore prone to notching very quickly. If you want to test Glide as a cross string that facilitates sliding and snapping back of the mains, I would choose a different main. Just my two cents, though; you probably have more experience with Pro or are acting on better advice than mine.
I was also considering iO or RZR as a main, strung considerably lower than I did Moto. In fact, I have a half pack of RZR, so maybe I will do that.
However, I agree Pro isn't slippery, but that is partly the whole point isn't it? The claim is that Glide makes any string play better. So testing it with my favorite multi makes sense. I break it ever 6 to 8 hours and the string move and stick a lot.
So if I pair it with Glide and notice less movement, more spin, longer life or any combination thereof, it may suggest some validity to the marketing claim.
I actually think it may be a sensible way to test the string.
A friend of mine strung it with nat gut in the mains.
This for sure makes you inhaling less TEFLON FEP (cancer cause) than poly/glide.
He had same amount of spin as with nat gut/poly.
I see your point. But I wouldn't do it, personally, because I know what Pro/poly is like. Even if Glide is a little more slippery than poly, I doubt it's going to make it much better. There is a big difference between a string pairing that allows for free and easy movement of the mains and one that allows just enough movement for the strings to move out of line and then get stuck there. On the other hand, if Glide really is "all that," maybe it will allow Pro mains to slide and snapback freely. Hope you have fun with whatever you try.
Oh, and why is that? I'm hoping for something substantive here.
I am guessing that he is talking about Gamma Live Wire XP and Gamma Live Wire Professional.
Hope you told your friend he has a greater chance of being infected with HIV from the natural gut than developing cancer from Glide.
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