Gamma XLT

LMarr

New User
Looking to buy a new stringer. First place right now is Gamma XLT with the Tourna 600 es in second. I’m open to suggestions just really need a great stringer preferably electronic.
 

Wes

Hall of Fame
Since it's introduction, I felt the XLT is overpriced - considering just what you're getting for that price tag.
I'm short on time right now, but I'll elaborate/explain more later, when I have more time.
If the XLT is within your budget, I'll tell you what I would do instead.
To be continued...
 

Wes

Hall of Fame
@LMarr,

Sorry about the delay. You know... life.

Ok... so the Gamma XLT retails for $1995.99 Let's take a look at just what you're getting with an XLT.

Essentially, the XLT has the (6 adjustment knobs, non Self Centering) turntable, "Quick Action" base clamps, string clamps and (gear style) turntable brake/lock that are comparable to what comes on the X-ST, Progession ST II, and the 6pt. mount (non SC) 5003 machines. Now, the tensioner is basically the linear gripper that can be found on some of Gamma's other upper tier machines.
All that, thrown onto a table-top design. Wait... I'm dropping 2 grand and I don't even get a stand??? Oh yeah... that's right... I can get a stand for it - for another $140.00 or $150.00.
So, the XLT, up on a stand, will be in the ballpark of $2150.00

I really can't believe they went and put the cone-lock style "Quick Action" base clamps on a $2000 machine (after all, even the 6004 comes with the sweet "Switch Action" cam-lock base clamps - and it's only around ~$1700). :(
Also, you have to fiddle with 6 separate mounting knobs on a $2000 machine? Ummmm.. ok. :rolleyes:


Now, if those happen to be the actual features that you're content with... you can get all that for a lot less money. Like ~25% less.
Virtually every feature, that is on the Gamma electronic keypad, is also on the Wise 2086 unit.
If you were to put a Wise 2086 ($625.00) on a Prog. ST II ($869.95), or an X-ST ($899.99), you'd essentially have all the features on the XLT (and have a back-up crank tensioner on hand, if needed) for around $1494.95 (or $1524.99). Just to keep things "apples to apples", let's add on that stand again.

So, the Wise/Prog. ST II (or X-ST) with a stand, would be in the ballpark of $1644.95, or $1674.99, respectively.
Regardless of whether you choose to utilize a stand or not, it's still around $500 less than the XLT (and you have a back-up tensioner too!)
Umm... you can get a lot of string for ~$500. Just sayin'.


Want an even smaller footprint and lower price tag?
As long as you don't mind not having a turntable brake (and also not having the crank tensioner to serve as a back-up) you could just get the Prog. 602FC ($579.99) or X-6FC ($599.99) and add the Wise 2086 to one of those. Total, without a stand: $1204.99, or $1224.99. Total, with a stand: $1354.99 or $1374.99

BTW, if you know where to look, the Wise 2086 can be found for less than $625


So, what's most important to you? Lowest price (for similar features as the XLT)? Even better features (at around the same $2k price point)? Overall size/footprint?

If you're willing to spend that kind of money ($2k), here's what I would suggest:
Get a Gamma 6004 and add the Wise 2086.
You'll spend only a tad more (about $2324.95 total, as opposed to the XLT's $2150.00) and you'll get some really nice upgrades over the XLT. Namely, the super quick Switch Action Cam-Lock base clamps, the Self Centering turntable (no more dealing with 6 separate knobs... fast mounting/unmounting without any tools, and the mounting towers are always equa-distant from the center of the turntable), your choice of 6pt. or 2pt. mounting (both are SC), a larger tool tray, an included starting clamp, AND you still get to have a back-up crank tensioner available to use if necessary! (y)

Need any more convincing?

See posts #13, #15, #28 and #33 by @struggle regarding the "Switch Action Cam-Lock" base clamps.

Again, sorry for the delay in writing all this up.

Cheers,
Wes
 

LMarr

New User
So is the XLT bad or just overpriced? I really like the response and I will take it into consideration I was just wondering.
 

pmata814

Professional
@LMarr,

Sorry about the delay. You know... life.

Ok... so the Gamma XLT retails for $1995.99 Let's take a look at just what you're getting with an XLT.

Essentially, the XLT has the (6 adjustment knobs, non Self Centering) turntable, "Quick Action" base clamps, string clamps and (gear style) turntable brake/lock that are comparable to what comes on the X-ST, Progession ST II, and the 6pt. mount (non SC) 5003 machines. Now, the tensioner is basically the linear gripper that can be found on some of Gamma's other upper tier machines.
All that, thrown onto a table-top design. Wait... I'm dropping 2 grand and I don't even get a stand??? Oh yeah... that's right... I can get a stand for it - for another $140.00 or $150.00.
So, the XLT, up on a stand, will be in the ballpark of $2150.00

I really can't believe they went and put the cone-lock style "Quick Action" base clamps on a $2000 machine (after all, even the 6004 comes with the sweet "Switch Action" cam-lock base clamps - and it's only around ~$1700). :(
Also, you have to fiddle with 6 separate mounting knobs on a $2000 machine? Ummmm.. ok. :rolleyes:


Now, if those happen to be the actual features that you're content with... you can get all that for a lot less money. Like ~25% less.
Virtually every feature, that is on the Gamma electronic keypad, is also on the Wise 2086 unit.
If you were to put a Wise 2086 ($625.00) on a Prog. ST II ($869.95), or an X-ST ($899.99), you'd essentially have all the features on the XLT (and have a back-up crank tensioner on hand, if needed) for around $1494.95 (or $1524.99). Just to keep things "apples to apples", let's add on that stand again.

So, the Wise/Prog. ST II (or X-ST) with a stand, would be in the ballpark of $1644.95, or $1674.99, respectively.
Regardless of whether you choose to utilize a stand or not, it's still around $500 less than the XLT (and you have a back-up tensioner too!)
Umm... you can get a lot of string for ~$500. Just sayin'.


Want an even smaller footprint and lower price tag?
As long as you don't mind not having a turntable brake (and also not having the crank tensioner to serve as a back-up) you could just get the Prog. 602FC ($579.99) or X-6FC ($599.99) and add the Wise 2086 to one of those. Total, without a stand: $1204.99, or $1224.99. Total, with a stand: $1354.99 or $1374.99

BTW, if you know where to look, the Wise 2086 can be found for less than $625


So, what's most important to you? Lowest price (for similar features as the XLT)? Even better features (at around the same $2k price point)? Overall size/footprint?

If you're willing to spend that kind of money ($2k), here's what I would suggest:
Get a Gamma 6004 and add the Wise 2086.
You'll spend only a tad more (about $2324.95 total,
Wes

At that price point, wouldn’t he be better off just getting an alpha ghost 2? I have a gamma 6004 with a wise. And love it. But i already had the wise, and got the 6004 back when it was $1,350.



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pmata814

Professional
My bad. I don't know why I had in my head that the Alpha Ghost was $2k It's actually $3k. I retract my previous post.
 

Wes

Hall of Fame
So is the XLT bad or just overpriced? I really like the response and I will take it into consideration I was just wondering.
No, the XLT isn't bad at all - just, as you said, overpriced (for the features you would be getting [or rather... not getting]).
As I outlined, you can get all those same features (and have a back-up crank tensioner) for around $500 less. That ain't nothin' to sneeze at.
So, IMO, it not just overpriced, it's way overpriced for what you're getting. After all, this forum is filled with people who have all manner/types of machines - including some machines that are far less common and/or not made by the bigger name companies (i.e. the portable Pro Stringer, Mi Stringer, etc.)
Nonetheless, I'm guessing there probably isn't ONE single person on the forum that owns an XLT.
Anybody out there have one?
If I'm correct (in presuming that not one of us actually owns this machine) then you have to wonder just why that may be.
It's a good machine... just not a good value machine. That's how I would explain why it's hard to find any actual owners - and why nobody, as yet, has chimed in with glowing remarks about it.

At that price point, wouldn’t he be better off just getting an alpha ghost 2? I have a gamma 6004 with a wise. And love it. But i already had the wise, and got the 6004 back when it was $1,350.
I thought the very same thing too, but I was more aiming for the "best bang for your buck" set-up that was near the $2000/$2150 price tag of the XLT.
Like yourself, I have the 6004+Wise rig as well. Unlike yourself, I didn't already have the Wise, but I also didn't pay $625 for it either.
You and I must've acquired ours around the same time frame.
Yeah, I think the 6004 was ~$1400 and a Wise was ~$550? a few years back (5 years ago?).

My bad. I don't know why I had in my head that the Alpha Ghost was $2k It's actually $3k. I retract my previous post.
I think your brain went there because the orig. Ghost indeed was right at $2k (if I'm remembering correctly).
I think the Ghost 2 was around $2500 (not that long ago), but now it's up to $2898.00

Not to mention... we haven't even been discussing what could be had, should he be open to possibly getting a used machine.
Example: 4 days ago there was a Gamma 6pt. SC 6004 on the big auction site for $1200.00 including shipping.
One could have gotten that machine, and added the $625 Wise, all for $1825.00 and had many more features than the XLT.
 

OJX

New User
Curious why there's no direct feedback from a Gamma XLT owner? I'm also looking at upgrading to a new stringer. I purchased an old Gamma 4000 to learn and see if I like stringing -- I won't be starting a new business, but I really enjoy doing my own strings and testing different hybrids and tension setups. I've sold my 4000 to make room for a new stringer -- ELS or XLT. I've read lots of review on the ELS, but can't find any direct ownership experience on the XLT. I've written Gamma sales to get more info, but after 2 days have not heard anything back. Before I pull the trigger, it'd be nice to hear from an owner or someone who's strung on the XLT. Thanks.
 

LMarr

New User
I’ve had mine for about 4 months now and I really like it. It works really well and I have had no problems with it. Would definitely recommend if your in the market for a new stringer. Hope this helps!
 
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