Garin and horrible officiating steal point from Borges

[jm1980]

It's 40-AD, break point. Garin hits a shot on the baseline, someone in the crowd yells "out", Borges returns the ball on the court and Garin misses the next shot wide.

Inexplicably, the umpire awards the point to Garin after he complains about the crowd noise. Borges is understandably flustered and calls the supervisor, but the decision is not changed

https://twitter.com/x/status/1776262100886991185

The rulebook very clearly states crowd noise is not a hindrance, and the point stands as played, i.e.: Borges should have won the point:

This is atrocious officiating. And shame on Garin for taking the point and not speaking up. There simply is no interpretation of the events that would have given the point to Garin.

 

[Humbi_HTX]

Needs better audio to understand the reasoning but can you even re-play the point like the commentator was saying?

The most shocking part is how off Garin's shot was, did he tank it because he thought the point/play had stopped?

 

[MisterP]

Something similar happened in Charleston Wednesday. Alexandrova stopped play, and raised her hand saying Townsends ball was long. The chair checked the mark. The ball was in. And she inexplicably gave the point to Alexandrova. Wtf!?

 

[SinneGOAT]

We should duct tape the mouths of the audience until the match is over.

 

[jm1980]

Needs better audio to understand the reasoning but can you even re-play the point like the commentator was saying?

The most shocking part is how off Garin's shot was, did he tank it because he thought the point/play had stopped?

I think he clearly went for a winner, missed, and then tried to take advantage of the situation. Dirty, dirty player

 

[tennis3]

Borges needs to ask step-by-step the chair / supervisor's reasoning. Then at the point he disagrees, he needs to question just that reasoning point. In other words, the umpire either has made an error in interpreting the facts (maybe he thought Garin's final shot was in?), or the umpire is applying a rule incorrectly (and he can question just that specific thing).

Once everyone gets emotional, reasoning goes out the window. And you can't "beat" emotion with reason (just try reasoning with your wife when she gets mad and see how it goes).

 

[Hera]

Yikes. Horrible mistake by both the umpire and supervisor. They really didn’t understand exactly what happened. This was Borges’ point or even though not ideal maybe call a let or replay the point.

Disgusting behavior by Garin there taking the point.

 

[tennis3]

Disgusting behavior by Garin there taking the point.

Why do people say this? This is professional sport. Your opponent doesn't enforce the rules, he just plays the game / plays the call made by the umpires.

Would you expect an NBA or FIFA player to say "That wasn't really a foul, I just flopped?". These players are praised for fooling the umpires and getting the call.

 

[Hera]

Why do people say this? This is professional sport. Your opponent doesn't enforce the rules, he just plays the game / plays the call made by the umpires.

Would you expect an NBA or FIFA player to say "That wasn't really a foul, I just flopped?". These players are praised for fooling the umpires and getting the call.

Not sure why others say this. I am only saying what I think. Based on this interaction Garin is blaming others for his mistake, I mean he sent a short ball way out while having an open court. The umpire clearly misunderstood what happened and he doesn’t bother on clarifying the facts at all. And most importantly he knows the rules (or should) of losing the point or at worst replay it. But takes the point instead.

And just because behavior like this or worse hapoens all the time in other sports doesn’t make it right. It’s not an excuse. That’s all I got.

 

[tudwell]

I could understand the umpire misremembering or misunderstanding the rules and deciding to play a let given the out call, but what on earth is the justification for just handing the point to Garin? That makes no sense in any context with any other rule in tennis.

 

[Cortana]

Why do people say this? This is professional sport. Your opponent doesn't enforce the rules, he just plays the game / plays the call made by the umpires.

Would you expect an NBA or FIFA player to say "That wasn't really a foul, I just flopped?". These players are praised for fooling the umpires and getting the call.

Dude, this isn't FIFA or the NBA, this is fracking tennis. A gentlemens sport!

Garin is a shame for this sport.

 

[Shaolin]

Criminally bad officiating. This guy should never call a match again.

 

[GodlessEndeavor]

Needs better audio to understand the reasoning but can you even re-play the point like the commentator was saying?

The most shocking part is how off Garin's shot was, did he tank it because he thought the point/play had stopped?

Tennis TV posted a video which makes everything clear (as the commentators said later, Borges is the only guy here who comes out well - umpire/supervisor/Garin were all pretty bad in their decisions):

 

[Deleted member 806402]

The Portuguese deserve such treatment after stealing indigenous land for centuries. Well done Garin, umpire and spectator.

 

[NAS]

Criminally bad officiating. This guy should never call a match again.

It was bad decision but nothing to do with fan interruption but more to do with that Borges stopped the point and that is what Garin complained, I think point should have been replayed.
This is just like IW Nardi and Djokovic controversy where Nardi stopped the point, that is why I said that time that point should have gone to Djokovic

 

[GAS]

I think he clearly went for a winner, missed, and then tried to take advantage of the situation. Dirty, dirty player

Garin is such a b

 

[GodlessEndeavor]

Borges stopped the point and that is what Garin complained

When exactly? I see Borges hitting a shot and then standing there while Garin hits another one.

Sometimes players go to the towel when they think the opponent has an easy put away and hindrance is never called even in that extreme case.

This is just like IW Nardi and Djokovic controversy where Nardi stopped the point

Nardi's body language was very different there, I don't see the similarity.

 

[GAS]

It was bad decision but nothing to do with fan interruption but more to do with that Borges stopped the point and that is what Garin complained, I think point should have been replayed.
This is just like IW Nardi and Djokovic controversy where Nardi stopped the point, that is why I said that time that point should have gone to Djokovic

It's NOTHING like that situation, dear bot.

 

[NAS]

It's NOTHING like that situation, dear bot.

It was and Umpire agreed, see the point, Borges gave up on point thinking it was out, this is not the first time, it happened also last year in RG between Cerundolo and Rune .
If you give up on point, opposition is awarded that point
Edit: I think point should have been replayed

 

[lacoster]

Garin lost a lot of fans during this match (reminded me of Moutet beating Jarry in Chile this year). Garin's celebration after the match and taunting the home crowd was just awful.

 

[NAS]

Garin lost a lot of fans during this match (reminded me of Moutet beating Jarry in Chile this year). Garin's celebration after the match and taunting the home crowd was just awful.

Garin has fans? He always look like that he is pissed off for some reason

 

[GodlessEndeavor]

It was and Umpire agreed

Umpire didn't agree - Nardi got the point in the other match, while Garin got the point in this case.

 

[GAS]

It was and Umpire agreed, see the point, Borges gave up on point thinking it was out, this is not the first time, it happened also last year in RG between Cerundolo and Rune .
If you give up on point, opposition is awarded that point
Edit: I think point should have been replayed

Not everything is about Djokovic, botic.

 

[austintennis2005]

Why do people say this? This is professional sport. Your opponent doesn't enforce the rules, he just plays the game / plays the call made by the umpires.

Would you expect an NBA or FIFA player to say "That wasn't really a foul, I just flopped?". These players are praised for fooling the umpires and getting the call.

What about golf? Players routinely call penalties on themselves even if no one saw it. It’s called a code of honor

 

[NAS]

Umpire didn't agree - Nardi got the point in the other match, while Garin got the point in this case.

Was talking about today match and last year RG match where umpire agreed on both occasion , last year point was awarded to Rune

 

[NAS]

Not everything is about Djokovic, botic

Name calling, mature person you are

 

[GAS]

What about golf? Players routinely call penalties on themselves even if no one saw it. It’s called a code of honor

And such great, upstanding, ethical players like Tiger Woods, Phil Mickelson, etc! What are you talking about bro!

 

[GAS]

Name calling, mature person you are

Is "botic" a slur? If it is, I'll apologize and delete my post.

 

[austintennis2005]

And such great, upstanding, ethical players like Tiger Woods, Phil Mickelson, etc! What are you talking about bro!

How about the great Bobby Jones and Jack Nicklaus and Arnold Palmer

 

[GAS]

How about the great Bobby Jones and Jack Nicklaus and Arnold Palmer

That's another generation. The truth is that golf at every level is full of cheating.

 

[ronalditop]

There should be a minimun IQ score required to become a chair umpire. Some of this guys make decisions that normal people who dont even watch tennis and dont know the rules would realize are completely wrong.

 

[urban]

What is the tennis rule, when someone of the crowd does interfere, by shouting loudly out. In football i have seen an incident in a Bundeliga-game, when a player was distracted by a pipe signal of the crowd, he thought, it was given by the ref to stop the game, and took the ball into his hands. The ref gave a penalty against him. Is there something in tennis rules like crowd interference, when some throws things on the court during a point or so? In the case of the Garin-match, the umpire was bad and should at least have given e replay.

 

[GAS]

What is the tennis rule, when someone of the crowd does interfere, by shouting loudly out. In football i have seen an incident in a Bundeliga-game, when a player was distracted by a pipe signal of the crowd, he thought, it was given by the ref to stop the game, and took the ball into his hands. The ref gave a penalty against him. Is there something in tennis rules like crowd interference, when some throws things on the court during a point or so? In the case of the Garin-match, the umpire was bad and should at least have given e replay.

Thank you for your contribution to this discussion.

 

[Better_Call_Raul]

Yikes. Horrible mistake by both the umpire and supervisor. They really didn’t understand exactly what happened. This was Borges’ point or even though not ideal maybe call a let or replay the point.

Disgusting behavior by Garin there taking the point.

There is no indication that Garin was hindered by spectator shout. Garin took a shot and missed, very badly. Garin loses the point.

IF Garin was not hindered, he needs to concede the point. This is disgusting behaviour by Garin and idiotic behaviour by the ump and the supervising ump.
If Garin was hindered, point could possibly be replayed. But you cannot just award the point to Garin who missed very badly.
What a travesty of justice!

 

[tennis3]

What about golf? Players routinely call penalties on themselves even if no one saw it. It’s called a code of honor

They call it on themselves just in case someone saw it. Because if you sign your card and someone can show your score to be inaccurate, you are DQ'd. Also, the negative social stigma to cheating in golf is high. It's just part of the culture. No such stigma really exists in FIFA, NBA, NFL, MLB and really not in tennis (though people like to think so).

If Garin would be DQ'd after the match if it was found that the point was not his, I'm sure he'd correct the mistake.

 

[tennis3]

this is fracking tennis. A gentlemens sport!

Oh ya, I almost forgot. Thanks for reminding me.

 

[jm1980]

What is the tennis rule, when someone of the crowd does interfere, by shouting loudly out.

From the rulebook:

 

[tennis3]

That's another generation. The truth is that golf at every level is full of cheating.

You have instances of pro golfers playing Tour Events have cheated? Can you provide some links or even anecdotal stories?

And you're saying that "in the past" people were "just more virtuous"? I find that a bit hard to believe.

 

[Humbi_HTX]

From the rulebook:

What does that mean? What was the result of the point played for it to stand?

 

[GAS]

Let me google that for you...

 

[tennis3]

Let me google that for you...

Please do. I can't think of a single instance of a golfer cheating. Because if it was a known instance, he would have been DQ'd.

So, you got your snark in. Now, let's see the evidence. You have a quite the superior attitude. Time for you to back up your assertions and earn your superior attitude my boy.

 

[GAS]

Please do. I can't think of a single instance of a golfer cheating. Because if it was a known instance, he would have been DQ'd.

So, you got your snark in. Now, let's see the evidence. You have a quite the superior attitude. Time for you to back up your assertions and earn your superior attitude my boy.

I'm not your boy, guy. Also pretty sad you can't use Google, but I guess that's the crowd you get here. Maybe later on you can stop at the library and look at some newspaper articles eh.

 

[tennis3]

I'm not your boy, guy. Also pretty sad you can't use Google, but I guess that's the crowd you get here. Maybe later on you can stop at the library and look at some newspaper articles eh.

You're a fool

 

[GodlessEndeavor]

What does that mean? What was the result of the point played for it to stand?

The result of the point played is that Garin sent a ball to the doubles alley, while playing a singles match. He loses the point.

 

[TennisBro]

Why do people say this? This is professional sport. Your opponent doesn't enforce the rules, he just plays the game / plays the call made by the umpires.

Would you expect an NBA or FIFA player to say "That wasn't really a foul, I just flopped?". These players are praised for fooling the umpires and getting the call.

In a team sport where one's tied to the team and even contractual agreements with clubs that pay big bucks, it is much different than in an individual's display on a tennis court where one's effort and sportsmanship count. From juniors, tennis players learn calling their lines during own matches and are told to "trust their opponents". I guess Garin wouldn't be that guy to trust.

 

[tennis3]

In a team sport where one's tied to the team and even contractual agreements with clubs that pay big bucks, it is much different than in an individual's display on a tennis court where one's effort and sportsmanship count. From juniors, tennis players learn calling their lines during own matches and are told to "trust their opponents". I guess Garin wouldn't be that guy to trust.

I take it you've never been to a Junior Tennis Tournament? Or a College Match?

Go watch a few hundred of each and report back to me.

 

[TheAssassin]

I can understand when players argue on those split second judgement calls (when the line judge or umpire may or may not have affected the subsequent shot, causing an argument if the point should be replayed) but there is no excuse for players just embracing a point that didn't belong to them in any way. This one, Kerber against Hantuchova at Roland Garros way back, Brown against Coric at one of the challengers... Shameful stuff.

 

[GAS]

You're a fool

www.google.com

 

[junior74]

Borges kept the ball in play, Garin didn't. Yet Garin won the point. Absurd, of course.

 

[CHillTennis]

Is he still playing??! I thought Borg retired years ago.