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Deleted member 21996
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yep.. it's him!
I would take this oportunity to apologize ~ZOSO~ for accusing him of being GJ011 in disguise... it is now clear and evident that It's ShouldRetire!
Gasquet is the most overrated player of all time!
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yep.. it's him!
I would take this oportunity to apologize ~ZOSO~ for accusing him of being GJ011 in disguise... it is now clear and evident that It's ShouldRetire!
CountryHillbilly
Banned
Hey, VivaLaVida. So, it's you, zagor, Sentinel and icedevil. The only *******s who can think clearly when it comes to Djokovic. The others all go into blind-hatred mode (kinda like Nadal fans when it comes to Fed)
Keep up the good work!
(btw I do think Djokovic should have finished the match).
wow this thread was hijacked billion times.
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shouldretire
Banned
So far he is only demonstrating the opposite of what you claim. We'll see if he improves his act over time.
Gaudio2004
Semi-Pro
Gasquet at this year's US Open..
VivalaVida
Banned
Yes, I really like Djokovic. I enjoy watching his game. He is a great ball striker and a great player. I much rather have him challenge federer and Nadal rather than MurrayHey, VivaLaVida. So, it's you, zagor, Sentinel and icedevil. The only *******s who can think clearly when it comes to Djokovic. The others all go into blind-hatred mode (kinda like Nadal fans when it comes to Fed)
Keep up the good work!
(btw I do think Djokovic should have finished the match).
wow this thread was hijacked billion times.
the fact it was in closer mag says it all really.
All-rounder
Legend
lol this thread is going insane...:-? stick to the topic guys
scineram
Professional
Was crazy. Watched it live.
P_Agony
Banned
Improve my act? As far as I remember I don't owe anything to you, and my "act" is fine as it is, thank you very much. When you stop trolling, lying and such maybe people will finally treat you like a decent poster. Maybe.
shouldretire
Banned
Yes, you need to improve your act if you want any chance of being treated as a decent poster. And that means no trolling and no lying for a change. I am now starting to understand why people say those things about you. And I'm talking about good posters, not your hypocritical friends.
FitzRoy
Professional
This might be the most biased analysis of Djokovic I've yet read.
He's a top five player.
FitzRoy
Professional
You think he has the game, but Djokovic doesn't? You can't be serious. Not only does Djokovic have the game, but he's actually BEEN in the top five. For a while.
P_Agony
Banned
I'm being treated as a decent poster already by many posters, thank you very much. People say nothing about me, except for you and your troll buddies.
diamondback
Rookie
gasquet has the skills to be a grand slam champion. Its all about his desire to win. Hopefully his mindset will change after the events of the last few months
diamondback
Rookie
wassup maximo
scineram
Professional
Will be soon. Stop whining!
GasquetGOAT
Hall of Fame
But ~ZOSO~ is one of the banned trolls in disguise. Could be anyone, Mungo, king of a$s, balls in your court, Veroniquem (not banned but hiding)...
Also, Backhand winner sounds like Nadal Freak at times.
GasquetGOAT
Hall of Fame
Murray is overrated.
Oh and stop pretending to be a djoko fan. You're not fooling anyone, maximo.
You're right, i will keep hiding my true identity. Hope it makes you happy.
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Biased analysis?
Name a top claycourt player that Djokovic beat. Andreev? Really?
Who did he beat in his run to his Wimbledon SF? Look at his **** easy draws at the AO and the U.S. Open. In fact, he is the absolute luckiest player in the world until this year, where when he faced some stiff competition early on he rolls over faster than France did to Germany in WW2.
He clearly does not have the conditioning, the mentality, nor the flexibility to be a top 5 player. That is manifesting itself this year, and by year's end he will be outside the top 5 for sure. Simply not good enough to sustain year in and year out himself as a top 5 player. He was very fortunate that he won the TMC last year against a depleted and injured field, otherwise he'd be way below in the rankings right now below Roddick and DelPotro most likely.
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lambielspins
Banned
Federer in the Rome semis this year.
Federer that mentally collapsed after the rain delay and was beating the living snot out of Djokovic before that. Yes, that's a great example. In fact, Djokovic has not manage to beat one quality player in a slam outside of a sick Federer or Roddick. Djokovic's claycourt resume is only pretty good. It's not great as many people make it out to be. He in fact somehow manages to avoid some of the best claycourt players in the world half the time.
He's severely overrated, and will in fact drop out of the top 5 by years end, unless he miraculously gets another miracle TMC field where everyone manages to take out each other, get injured, or withdraw.
JeMar
Legend
He's so far ahead of #6 that dropping out of the top 5 would require a minor catastrophe. I dislike him as much as the next guy, but the kid does have game.
A. Roddick has virtually no points to defend except his QF. He will gain points this season. I think he also has maybe a QF or SF in Paris, I don't remember.
B. Del Potro is playing even better than last season. If he draws Djokovic in his QF, he's winning. He played fairly subpar at the end of the season and the YEC, so he can still manage to pick up points there. Oh, I'm also not sure how well he did at the Masters (Canadian/Cincinnati) either, but it wasn't too good from what I remember.
C. Djokovic cannot defend Olympic points, has to defend Cincinnati and Montreal points, including his USO SF. He also has to defend Madrid (Or Shanghai) and Paris points, on top of his TMC points. In fact, if you total up the amount of points he has to defend, he has something like over 3000 points to defend. With his current form, he can easily lose half of those if not mroe.
In fact, what seperates Del Potro, Roddick, and Djokovic is really the TMC victory for Djokovic. Subtract that and there's really not much of a difference. I think what seperates Djokovic and Del Potro if you remove the TMC (which Djokovic will very likely not defend) is about 900 points total. If Del Potro does well in the HC season and Djokovic slumps, it's not out of the possibility he could drop.
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I wish we still had the ATP points race to get an idea where everyone stood just for the year alone. I could definitely see one or both Roddick and Del Potro passing Djokovic by years end though. Djokovic was labeled as having a dissapointing summer last year because people still had an inflated impression of his abilities and expectations at that point in time. In fact his results last summer were excellent, he would be thrilled I bet if he could somehow duplicate last summers results. He was in the semis or finals of every tournament except Canada where he lost in the quarters. Del Potro has some small titles to defend but he and Roddick didnt make the semis of any noteable tournament last summer. I expect Roddick and Del Potro to do as well or better than Djokovic this summer so both will pick up some points. The Tennis Masters Cup is where you could really see a big points swing though. Djokovic is defending 1300 points there since he won last year, Del Potro only 200 and Roddick 0. I dont see Djokovic defending his title this year, he even got quite lucky to win it last year and it would be a big surprise with the number of players who seem stronger than him at the moment if he could. He will likely lose over 1000 points there alone.
CountryHillbilly
Banned
Nonsense, NamRanger is well known for his objective, unbiased estimation of Djokovic's abilities.
If you go on mtf there is a thread which is tracking the race.
So picking Tsonga, who just absolutely crushed Nadal in the semis over Djokovic, who beat a sick Federer in the semis, is somehow biased?
Indeed I find it highly unlikely he will defend all of his points to stave off Roddick, who has virtually no points to defend outside of his QF at the USO.
In fact, I could see Roddick winning Cincinnati if Federer chooses not to play (which he typically doesn't when he plays Montreal/Toronto) or gets upset early.
CountryHillbilly
Banned
Interesting, so did you pick Soderling over Federer in RG final? I mean, he crushed Nadal (who is somewhat better on clay than hard) and Federer struggled with Acasuso, Haas and DelPo?
And you say Djokovic has only beaten sick Fed and Roddick in slams. So the question is: whom did Federer beat in his recent slams? Djokovic (clown) in US07, Djokovic and Murray (another clown, "tooled" by Roddick) in US08, Roddick in AO09, Soderling in RG09. That's a pretty weak competition (by your standards). How many asterisks?
btw I agree that Djokovic may drop below No.5 by the end of the year. But it was not the best season for him (just as losing in 2nd round of Wimby to Tipsa was not the best form for Roddick).
JeMar
Legend
Those are totally different circumstances. Soderling was going against the man who had gone 110+/0 against players outside of the top 5, while Tsonga was going against someone who was still largely untested in the majors. After all, two majors hadn't passed since Djokovic's last retirement at a grand slam.
JeMar
Legend
A. Roddick does have a lot of ground to gain, but it remains to be seen how he reacts after losing that final. He could take off and play the best tennis of his life, or he could experience a letdown.
B. Del Potro did well at Roland Garros this year, but he hasn't won a tournament since January. He also has a ton of points to defend through the summer, and we don't even know if he'll play as much as he did last year. It seems like he's trying to peak at the U.S. Open, so I doubt he'll enter as many tournaments this time around. Oh, and didn't he go out in the second round of Wimbledon?
C. Djokovic going out early in Canada, Cincinnati, the U.S. Open, and the fall indoor events would constitute the minor catastrophe I alluded to earlier.
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All Djokovic has to do is fail to defend his TMC, and fall short in a few of his tournaments and Roddick will most likely pass him. Del Potro will be harder, but it is realistic.
Kick Serve 14
Professional
and the award for wasting talent goes to *drum roll* Richard Gasquet!
JeMar
Legend
Frankly, I'll be surprised if Roddick does not pass Djokovic, but I'll be flabbergasted if Del Potro manages to squeak by Djokovic. Del Potro doesn't fare very well in the fall, historically speaking.
Yeah but Del Potro has never been as fit or as healthy as he is now either. I think he'll do damage indoor season.
If going out before the semis constitutes a catastrophe then I would say there is a good chance of a catostrophe for Djokovic at the upcoming tournament. Roddick, Del Potro, Tsonga, Haas, Soderling, perhaps Verdasco or Gonzalez depending on his confidence level all have a pretty good shot to beat him anytime they should meet him in the near future. I forsee alot of quarterfinal or even round of 16 type results for Djokovic this summer. Even with an absolute joke draw at Wimbledon he still only made the quarters.
Del Potros result at Wimbledon means nothing. He is supposed to suck on grass, and does. Djokovic isnt at his best on grass either but is supposed to be decent on it. His performances at the French Open, Madrid, and Miami are a better indication the direction he is going now and what to expect of this summer. Hard courts is probably his best surface, even over clay.
JeMar
Legend
A catastrophe would constitute going out in the second round of a tournament. The difference between going out in the QF and the SF of a tournament isn't large enough for JMDP to catch up to Djokovic in time.
JMDP has a pathetic record against the "Big Four," aside from the lone win against Nadal in Miami. If Djokovic isn't making QF and beyond, I can't see JMDP making them either.
JMDP had a pathetic record against the Big Four then he beat Nadal in Miami, Murray in Madrid, nearly beat Federer at the French. His confidence and improvement are soaring now. There is a big difference from him and even 4-5 months ago right now. Yes I could definitely see JMDP going further than Djokovic in the events of the rest of the year which are various forms of hard courts which both like. He sure played alot better than Djokovic did at the French, he seems to be improving right now while Djokovic is at best stagnating, and like I said he was fully expected to look mediocre on grass unlike Djokovic. If Djokovic couldnt beat Haas at this years Wimbledon he wouldnt have beaten a very in form Hewitt, just as Del Potro couldnt, the difference is Del Potro is supposed to do that badly on grass to people who were rational about it.
JeMar
Legend
I guess we'll just have to see how the rest of the season goes. There's a reason the players play the matches!
lambielspins
Banned
I agree. He is way overrated.
Polvorin
Professional
I wonder what the OP means by talent? Results? Shot-making ability? Physical conditioning? It seems that many people have different definitions of talent.
I consider shot-making ability to be the indicator of talent. This is why I do not consider Gasquet to be overrated. He has the capacity to hit shots that few others can. He can also play all-court tennis which few players do these days, and this is probably why people find his game appealing (along with his fluidity and style).
I think it's pretty clear that his lack of physical conditioning and confidence have resulted in his inconsistent and somewhat unimpressive results.
I consider shot-making ability to be the indicator of talent. This is why I do not consider Gasquet to be overrated. He has the capacity to hit shots that few others can. He can also play all-court tennis which few players do these days, and this is probably why people find his game appealing (along with his fluidity and style).
I think it's pretty clear that his lack of physical conditioning and confidence have resulted in his inconsistent and somewhat unimpressive results.
Polvorin
Professional
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=vNMRF6mF2Ts
Anybody who thinks his ability overrated should watch this and reconsider.
Anybody who thinks his ability overrated should watch this and reconsider.
grafselesfan
Banned
1. Youtube clips are a pointless thing to judge a player by. Someone can edit them to make the player look the best they possibly can, sort of like movie previews.
2. Gasquet actually had much more ability and game back in 2005 than he has in recent years. He has never hit forehand, return of serves, and some other shots like he was in 2005.
I have seen him play enough times to judge his ability and it is overrated. Even if he is playing his best there are tons of guys who can overpower him, and not all of them have to play their own best to beat his best.
he was better in the 2005 MC match with federer.
His forehand is too weak to win a slam. But maybe he will improve it.
Polvorin
Professional
I disagree. In 2007 he finished ranked #7 in the world, beat Djokovic and played a solid match against Nadal in the Masters Cup. I think his whole game, including his forehand and return of serves were better in 2007 than in 2005.
You might be right about that, on hard court at least. He doesn't seem intimidated by power on grass though.
Cesc Fabregas
Legend
This guy is a CLOWN.
jamesblakefan#1
G.O.A.T.
Pulling a GameSampras, I see. Classy. Real classy.
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