Gasquet may have tested positive for cocaine

But this isn't "the main argument." The topic addresses a player who got caught violating the standards set by (either, or both) the ATP and the ITF. He knew the rules. He violated them. He'll suffer the consequences.

No. The ATP is a Union. Unions frequently set the standards for another person to be part of their group. If they choose not to be part of it, they don't get the benefits.

Not so. He signed a contract to be a Professional Tennis Player. It's a contractual issue; not a legal one.





Except that's not the position of the "authority" in this case.

The Role Model argument is silly.
a) If Hollywood instituted testing like this, the whole place would be shut down.
b) Politicians? Washington DC and at least a third of the State Capitals in the USA would be operating on a Skeleton Crew. (And the argument that Pelosi, Kennedy, Barney Frank, Nixon, Newt or Larry Craig are "role models????" C'mon!)
c) CEO's? That would be up to the Boards of Directors.
d) The whole of society? I suspect you are using argumentum ad absurdum. Or are you promoting a Police State?

It's not a "legal" issue. It's a contractual issue.

Another misdirected point of debate. It's a contractual issue.

It's curious to me that you have spent so many keystrokes addressing the weaker arguments ... and pretending the stronger argument doesn't exist. A few TT-ers have pointed-out cocaine *does* give the user a sense of well-being and euphoria, which certainly can produce better performance. (Oops!)

BUT ... the issue is contractual; not "whether or not cocaine meets the definition of a performance enhancing drug."

How you manage to keep ducking the contractual obligation is a testament to your stubbornness. The difference you keep pretending doesn't exist is, Gasquet signed a contract promising to abide by the rules set forth by the Professional Organization. (Oops!)

A (brief) moment of clarity in your post.

Contracts make no sense? Then he shouldn't have signed it. He'd probably make a great Waiter in a nice restaurant. (Nobody "owes" him a Professional Tennis career.)

- KK

Hi KK, Sorry for the late reply...

The whole point of this thread is how fair the contract is gasquet signed...that's the point....

you seems to think that we are arguing about something that is known....(therefore there is no argument about it.) It is a fact that the contract

states that the penalty for cocaine abuse is two years.

we are not debating whether or not gasquet was an idiot for doing it.

we are arguing whether the clause has any basis in common sense.

let me give an blatant example, you do well in a great interview...get the job you love...at a manhattan law office...the contract states that if you transgress, it's 3 strikes you're out...unless you spill coffee...then it's instant dismissal.

Then if lightning strikes close one day and you spill coffee...the boss says "your fired!"....

and your workmate (KK) chants "you signed the contract, you signed the contract"

does the crime (spilling coffee) match the punishment (instant dismissal)

For everyone else reading this thread..please ignore Deuce...he seems to
believe that the Colarado Cinema Shooting means Christopher Nolan should spend a long time in jail.
 
^ Bodo doesn't give a damn about Gasquet.
I do.
Gasquet is still a kid - in my eyes, at least - and if a punishment or consequence can make him think twice about going down a path that is likely to do him - and those around him - harm, then I think that's a good thing.

Bodo has never been mistaken for an intelligent human.

If you want someone who exaggerates and sensationalizes, while twisting and omitting truths, and whose main goal seems to be to make himself appear 'cool' - Bodo's your guy.

But if you want honest, straightforward, no nonsense opinion, I strongly advise to look elsewhere.

Sorry deuce, you can't throw solving the world's problems on the shoulders of a French tennis star...it's unfair and pathetic.
 
At least he's still on tour.....and doing well...it's likely he wouldn't be in such a great space had a TWO YEAR BAN happened...thus vindicating what 70% of the posters in this thread had stated all along...6 months = common sense, 2 years = madness.
 
precisely...due to issues with the case...the sentence was reduced.

But the reality was ATP wanted to ban gasquet for 2 years..
just like HINGIS..luckily for her it was near end of her career.
Gasquet was 22 when this happened.
 
Those bans for recreational drugs are ridiculous.

Agreed.

Why not just impose a heavy fine rather than ban players for 2 years?

Cocaine has a very short effect. I don't see how someone can snort a line and then go out and play a 2 hour tennis match with manic conviction.
 
Those bans for recreational drugs are ridiculous.

It's all part of winning the war on drugs. After winning a tennis match and celebrating, it is perfectly OK to drink as much alcohol as one likes and run-up 3-4 digit bar tabs. But even a hint of cocaine? Well that's just unacceptable.
 
Agreed.

Why not just impose a heavy fine rather than ban players for 2 years?

Cocaine has a very short effect. I don't see how someone can snort a line and then go out and play a 2 hour tennis match with manic conviction.

Yeah, what is this, Big Brother?. Are they going to ban them if they cheat on their wives too?.
 
It's all part of winning the war on drugs. After winning a tennis match and celebrating, it is perfectly OK to drink as much alcohol as one likes and run-up 3-4 digit bar tabs. But even a hint of cocaine? Well that's just unacceptable.

Yeah, the hypocrisy is pathetic.
 
It really is. It's among the most blatant hypocrisy I've ever known. But, at the end of the day, illegal drugs are illegal, so what else is the ATP really supposed to do?

They can easily just hand out bans for actual PEDs. They're not the police, a drug being illegal or not is none of their business really. In fact, many PEDs are not illegal in themselves, think of the glucose in Cilic's case.
 
Hi KK, Sorry for the late reply...

The whole point of this thread is how fair the contract is gasquet signed...that's the point....

you seems to think that we are arguing about something that is known....(therefore there is no argument about it.) It is a fact that the contract

states that the penalty for cocaine abuse is two years.

we are not debating whether or not gasquet was an idiot for doing it.

we are arguing whether the clause has any basis in common sense.

let me give an blatant example, you do well in a great interview...get the job you love...at a manhattan law office...the contract states that if you transgress, it's 3 strikes you're out...unless you spill coffee...then it's instant dismissal.

Then if lightning strikes close one day and you spill coffee...the boss says "your fired!"....

and your workmate (KK) chants "you signed the contract, you signed the contract"

does the crime (spilling coffee) match the punishment (instant dismissal)

For everyone else reading this thread..please ignore Deuce...he seems to
believe that the Colarado Cinema Shooting means Christopher Nolan should spend a long time in jail.

You've got my vote for GOAT poster of the month! You answer a four year old thread question as if you hadn't missed a beat. Champion Poster all the way, very well done Sir!
 
Who cares. This isn't a team sport where you have a responsibility to the image of the franchise. Smoke weed, do coke, take some heroine for all I care.
 
They can easily just hand out bans for actual PEDs. They're not the police, a drug being illegal or not is none of their business really. In fact, many PEDs are not illegal in themselves, think of the glucose in Cilic's case.

I completely agree, however I was just making the point that I think it's standard practice to have a no-tolerance policy for illegal recreational drugs, based on the consensus international law. Of course, I'm not really sure about how that works exactly, but I just wouldn't expect any professional sports association to just give it's members the green light on testing positive for illegal drugs.
 
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