Gauff Continues to Fall

Just my opinion. She has more of a power game versus Brad’s winning ugly approach. I feel someone like Kim Clijsters could help.
Brad will get “credit” for the grand slam victory when she added him to the box. But constantly telling her to “shape” the forehand, it’s getting her crushed. Had sabalanka not handed her so many unforced errors on easy balls (I actually re watched the match on YouTube) , she’s still searching for a slam.

Still too many holes in her game.
 
Probably true but doesn't mean he is bad coach.
Agree. In PM’s case, he obviously is doing enough right that good players keep putting their trust in him. So I’m going to give him the benefit of the doubt.

In BG’s case, there are obvious visible deliberate changes in coco’s game (and others he worked with) to point to in support of his impressive record, so I don’t have to guess.
 
Brad Gilbert over-rated, he will be fired soon. His job is to give coco some useful tips / tactics during the match now that coaching is allowed. but he just sits there like bump on a log :(
 
Brad Gilbert over-rated, he will be fired soon. His job is to give coco some useful tips / tactics during the match now that coaching is allowed. but he just sits there like bump on a log :(
Maybe you should coach Coco? Or, maybe not.

Coco told BG he was talking too much during a match. So I guess his job now is sitting quietly and moral support. To me she's just overthinking during play, playing not to lose instead of to win. Much fear I see in young Coco. Learn she will. Or not.
 
IMO she has an attitude problem, namely a victim mentality that she needs to get rid of quick smart. The "this always happens to me and Serena" in her recent match with Vekic was a true illustration of this. We are all the masters of our own destiny.

I think it would be a mistake to fire a coach as soon as a player is not performing at their best. There is an element of individual responsibility as well, plus the ebbs and flows that happen with any professional career.

In sum, it's all mental and nothing physical or technique/fitness related. Sport psychologist ASAP to get back on track and then go out there and kick butt.
 
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Maybe you should coach Coco? Or, maybe not.

Coco told BG he was talking too much during a match. So I guess his job now is sitting quietly and moral support. To me she's just overthinking during play, playing not to lose instead of to win. Much fear I see in young Coco. Learn she will. Or not.
If I were a coach and that was said to me during a match I’d get up and leave. I’d tell them if that happens again I am done coaching you.
 
Never seen a similar thread when Rybakina fails, like she did yesterday.

It's always about Swiatek or Gauff.

Because Rybakina is good looking. She gets away with more. The same concept applies with why nobody likes Swiatek. They say she's boring and robotic with no personality, but also unattractive so it's easier for people to just put her down and show disdain. Human psychology on full display here. It's a mean world out there.
 
She just had one of those days where everything sprays including her backhand.... Relax.

Putinseva had a win over Iga too when the same thing happened to iga. It happens!
 
OH LOOK....another instance of "she won a major and now isn't winning everything in sight after doing so so she must be a total joke" thread about a young player. She's not having a horrible year. She made the SF of both the AO and French opens where she lost to the eventual champion both times. She did win a title this year. She's also had her low points this year. Maybe instead of complaining about her not living up to expectations, there shouldn't be insanely high unreachable expectations , namely her being the "Next Serena" or the "next great American Hope", in the first place.
 
Gauff needs to fix her forehand pronto.
How do you do that though? I think there are two paths.
1.) Teach her to edge towards a semi western or at least to a Novak Semi Western/Western.
2.) Accept her heavy grip and work on its strengths and weaknesses and try to get as many balls in your strike zone.

#1 is really hard to do. Grip changes can change so many aspects of the stroke--contact point--forwards/back and laterally, change the swing path to some extent, spacing and timing as well as angle of racquet face at contact. She's probaly hit 9 million forehands with this grip. A change can be really hard and at first will be really a big set back. She'll be shanking forehands for a while plus when under pressure she'll often revert to her old grip. It is really hard on tour to make that type of change unless she wants to take 6-18 months off to adjust. Grip changes are one of the hardest changes.

#2 Probably makes more sense, but can it truly be tweaked more to get more bang for her buck?
 
IMO she has an attitude problem, namely a victim mentality that she needs to get rid of quick smart. The "this always happens to me and Serena" in her recent match with Vekic was a true illustration of this. We are all the masters of our own destiny.

I think it would be a mistake to fire a coach as soon as a player is not performing at their best. There is an element of individual responsibility as well, plus the ebbs and flows that happen with any professional career.

In sum, it's all mental and nothing physical or technique/fitness related. Sport psychologist ASAP to get back on track and then go out there and kick butt.
The "this always happens to Serena and me" statement is self defeating and a weakness in Coco's mental approach. It's ridiculous to think bad calls only happen to you. They happen to everyone. A young Serena would use a bad call, or just the thought of losing, to get fired up, and then steam roll her opponent. Coco wants to pout and feel sorry for herself instead of digging in. Body language is as if someone told her her dog just got run over by a car. Has cost her many matches.

I assume Brad Gilbert was hired mainly for teaching the mental approach to the game, tactics secondarily, and then fine tuning some technical aspect. Coco's mental game has been in a free fall for several months. Pay out whatever remains on B.J contract and move on.
 
Maybe you should coach Coco? Or, maybe not.

Coco told BG he was talking too much during a match. So I guess his job now is sitting quietly and moral support. To me she's just overthinking during play, playing not to lose instead of to win. Much fear I see in young Coco. Learn she will. Or not.
i have AI generated tactics that adjusts during the match and tells players what to do based on how the oppoenent is playing, and what is working against that from all aspects of the game. Where to serve, and when, when to hit where and at what ponts of the match. and how is the wind and sun affecting the player's game and opponen'ts game.. and how to exploit that .

I can print out the stretegy during changeover and give it to Coco. if everything is going well , i will print this out less often during the match... Unless there is something she can exploit big that she isn't doing... I can do all this from my Laptop. She will win next 5 majors if she hires me. (y) (y) Get this info to her father right away
 
i have AI generated tactics that adjusts during the match and tells players what to do based on how the oppoenent is playing, and what is working against that from all aspects of the game. Where to serve, and when, when to hit where and at what ponts of the match. and how is the wind and sun affecting the player's game and opponen'ts game.. and how to exploit that .

I can print out the stretegy during changeover and give it to Coco. if everything is going well , i will print this out less often during the match... Unless there is something she can exploit big that she isn't doing... I can do all this from my Laptop. She will win next 5 majors if she hires me. (y) (y) Get this info to her father right away
Wow. Didn't know that. I'm having dinner with Coco's dad in a few hours. I'll relay this vital information. With your help I don't see Coco ever taking another loss. (y)
 
Wow. Didn't know that. I'm having dinner with Coco's dad in a few hours. I'll relay this vital information. With your help I don't see Coco ever taking another loss. (y)
I have to check with WTA but it is now legal to handoff printed tactics sheets during the changeover ? right ? i know coaching is legal but not sure about actually handing over written instructions are also legal ?
 
I have to check with WTA but it is now legal to handoff printed tactics sheets during the changeover ? right ? i know coaching is legal but not sure about actually handing over written instructions are also legal ?
LOL. I think written instructions are legal. If not I'm sure they'd give you an exemption.
 
Because Rybakina is good looking. She gets away with more. The same concept applies with why nobody likes Swiatek. They say she's boring and robotic with no personality, but also unattractive so it's easier for people to just put her down and show disdain. Human psychology on full display here. It's a mean world out there.
mmm.... could be.

The wingnuts' and the pro Vladimir gong's tendency to lay the groundwork cannot be overlooked though.
 
BG is a fine coach. As is PM

Their hate on social media is pure nonsense.
BG literally said on air that he's not big on stats. I forget which match it was - I think against Navarro at Wimbledon? - but his fellow anchors were kind of grilling him on his lack of advice to Coco. He simply had nothing and was even more flustered being asked about it. Not using basic stats and data isn't a coaching style. That's just arrogance or laziness and being out of touch. Frankly, I think a lot of coaches are overpaid by the % earnings model that has become popularized.

Of course, I'm not blaming him entirely for Coco's losses. But if you aren't even using stats for your opponent or your players, you potentially are leaving several blind spots on how to develop your strategies.
 
The tennis growth curve is flat, so it hasn't lost all it's popularity. Very inexpensive to play in my area. Over 120 free public courts. Pick up a used good racket for $50.
It's inexpensive to get started in tennis but cost a fortune to get even average coaching and exposure to the competition needed to make it as a pro or even college level player. It's not like team sports where athletes have access to this through the school system.
 
Gauff needs to fix her forehand pronto. All the top players know how to play her, and anyone riding momentum into these big events has a good shot at her if she's not also on a hot streak. Now she's a major champ that also comes with a lot of pressure, especially as an American when the US men are not getting beyond GS QF stage often. I also feel the gap left by Serena in the US has been forcefully filled using Gauff which isn't her fault but she's nowhere near the player even Venus, let alone Serena. Gauff would do extremely well to end her career with 3-4 majors. I expect she will win another in the next few years but with players coming up all the time it may not just be Swiatek who is her nemesis soon. She's also managed to avoid playing Rybakina a lot - I feel her rivalries are with Swiatek (albeit lopsided) and Sabalenka (who seems the more likely victor nowadays).

Based on her current form, it's going to take a few hard fought matches in the early rounds to turn this confidence/momentum issue around and then we will see if she can handle the pressure to defend her title. I will be surprised if she goes past R4 frankly, and that would most likely be down to a cakewalk draw.

Another point, I do wonder if the Olympic flag bearer title affected her. She's been handed a lot of pressure and hype simply through being American which I can imagine is a lot to handle and not her doing. LeBron is part of a team whereas Gauff is a solo athlete. The US have also dominated basketball at the Games so he had that level of protection around him through his teammates. Now I'm not a basketball follower so I'm sure it's more complex than that but I do wonder if that was a lot for her to handle.
I've mentioned here before about Gauff's forehand, established in her grade-school years and allowed to continue and become more deeply rooted in her junior playing years.

Her backhand has always been her major weapon, plenty good enough to breeze through junior play while her looping forehand, for the most part, was merely used to keep the ball in play.

In other words, don't give away forehand points and wait for the opportunity to hit backhand winners, I'm certain she was instructed in her developing years.

So, for more than a decade, Gauff, with her extreme Western grip, hits open-stance forehands pulling away from the ball with her right arm doing all the work. And even when she somewhat closes her stance, she opens up way too early and very rarely steps forward into her forehand shot. Too often, Gauff's weight is back on her heels.

Gauff has found out that what worked in junior play doesn't work in the big leagues. And the forehand liability has noticeably increased pressure to more misses off her sterling, reliable backhand and on her wicked first serve.

I'm talking here about the difficulty of breaking a habit at least 12 years in the making.

Would anyone here like to know how I would go about improving Gauff's forehand?
 
I've mentioned here before about Gauff's forehand, established in her grade-school years and allowed to continue and become more deeply rooted in her junior playing years.

Her backhand has always been her major weapon, plenty good enough to breeze through junior play while her looping forehand, for the most part, was merely used to keep the ball in play.

In other words, don't give away forehand points and wait for the opportunity to hit backhand winners, I'm certain she was instructed in her developing years.

So, for more than a decade, Gauff, with her extreme Western grip, hits open-stance forehands pulling away from the ball with her right arm doing all the work. And even when she somewhat closes her stance, she opens up way too early and very rarely steps forward into her forehand shot. Too often, Gauff's weight is back on her heels.

Gauff has found out that what worked in junior play doesn't work in the big leagues. And the forehand liability has noticeably increased pressure to more misses off her sterling, reliable backhand and on her wicked first serve.

I'm talking here about the difficulty of breaking a habit at least 12 years in the making.

Would anyone here like to know how I would go about improving Gauff's forehand?
I’d like to know, because I have the same exact issue as gauff.
 
So, for more than a decade, Gauff, with her extreme Western grip, hits open-stance forehands pulling away from the ball with her right arm doing all the work. And even when she somewhat closes her stance, she opens up way too early and very rarely steps forward into her forehand shot. Too often, Gauff's weight is back on her heels.
Finally, I have something in common like a pro.

I await the solution!
 
I’d like to know, because I have the same exact issue as gauff.
I'm guessing that most here are unwilling to pay the cost of extensive tennis instruction. Another problem with tennis instruction: choosing an instructor who can raise a player's game. In my experience, very few instructors know how to bring a player to greater improvement.

Nevertheless, repeated practice with strict guidance is necessary to achievement. And for those at a play-rating of 4.0 and lower, it's highly unlikely to find a player willing to practice and who is able to deliver consistent playable shots in practice.

My solution: buy a ball machine, and with it, you must be your own stern instructor, on positioning of a more closed stance, on unwavering concentration on the ball, and moving your weight forward while hitting the ball out in front.

Set the ball-machine speed setting to under 40 m.p.h. without much spin and set the height setting to land the ball just beyond the service line. And then set your backswing to high, then in a clock-like motion, go from high to low and finish at your non-hitting shoulder (but everyone has its own style).

Listen closely. Concentrate hard on the ball, swing smoothly and firmly, and hit the ball where it will clear the net and land in play. Work exclusively on cross-court forehands. And don't become complacent while in the practice and remain your own stern instructor. You'll learn what you did right in hitting a solid shot and what you did wrong in a misfiring.

But that's just practice, not the same as match play.

In match play, players tend to fall back on developed habits, especially after missing shots off their own practice. play. In other words, in match play, you're preparing to hit the ball from your previous habit.

Here's what I'm saying. I don't want a player consistently failing in trying to execute a newly learned shot. However, when a player falls back to the established habit, the player should ask: Could I have prepared both mentally and physically to hit the ball the way I hit it in practice?

Repeated failure in match play will destroy confidence and composure. And opening up too quickly also shows low confidence on a shot making. Regardless, hold to stern concentration on the ball and hit the ball in front. Here's a law: either you're attacking the ball or the ball is attacking you.

In ball-machine practice, you won't learn by a higher speed setting rushing you. The same goes for the feed setting.

If you need further explanation or explicit detail, just ask.

On Gauff's recent play, Gauff on her forehand was trying to swing harder, yet she was still opening up and pulling away from the ball, and many times she ended up with her weight back on her heels. She repeatedly failed, then her reliable backhand and serve also began to fail. Confidence and composure (always joined together) vanished.

Relying only on practice without match play won't improve your match play, Remember the question you ask yourself in match play.

One more thought on my own improvement. On my one-handed backhand, I had relied too much on a slice return. I practiced a lot on a low top-spin, flat backhand shot, my natural swing. But in the practice, I didn't ignore my reliable slice. I also worked on hitting a more low-driving slice, which became a penetrating weapon and so did the flatter backhand. Since I have an attacking nature then come to the net, the driving slice served me well.
 
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Gauff appears to have plateaued at the moment. Of course, she's only 20 years old. So she has plenty of time to change that in the future. I'm not one bit worried about her future. Gauff has made the semis in 3 out of her last 4 grand slams that she's played.

So who's been better than Gauff since the beginning of 2023? I'd say only Swiatek and Sabalenka. However, we need to remember that Swiatek is 3 years older than Gauff. Sabalenka is 6 years older.

Through their age-20 seasons, Gauff is way ahead of Sabalenka and slightly ahead of Swiatek. They are tied with 1 slam and 1 Masters title each, but Gauff has more deep runs and has been better in the tennis rankings.
 
I'm guessing that most here are unwilling to pay the cost of extensive tennis instruction. Another problem with tennis instruction: choosing an instructor who can raise a player's game. In my experience, very few instructors know how to bring a player to greater improvement.

Nevertheless, repeated practice with strict guidance is necessary to achievement. And for those at a play-rating of 4.0 and lower, it's highly unlikely to find a player willing to practice and who is able to deliver consistent playable shots in practice.

My solution: buy a ball machine, and with it, you must be your own stern instructor, on positioning of a more closed stance, on unwavering concentration on the ball, and moving your weight forward while hitting the ball out in front.

Set the ball-machine speed setting to under 40 m.p.h. without much spin and set the height setting to land the ball just beyond the service line. And then set your backswing to high, then in a clock-like motion, go from high to low and finish at your non-hitting shoulder (but everyone has its own style).

Listen closely. Concentrate hard on the ball, swing smoothly and firmly, and hit the ball where it will clear the net and land in play. Work exclusively on cross-court forehands. And don't become complacent while in the practice and remain your own stern instructor. You'll learn what you did right in hitting a solid shot and what you did wrong in a misfiring.

But that's just practice, not the same as match play.

In match play, players tend to fall back on developed habits, especially after missing shots off their own practice. play. In other words, in match play, you're preparing to hit the ball from your previous habit.

Here's what I'm saying. I don't want a player consistently failing in trying to execute a newly learned shot. However, when a player falls back to the established habit, the player should ask: Could I have prepared both mentally and physically to hit the ball the way I hit it in practice?

Repeated failure in match play will destroy confidence and composure. And opening up too quickly also shows low confidence on a shot making. Regardless, hold to stern concentration on the ball and hit the ball in front. Here's a law: either you're attacking the ball or the ball is attacking you.

In ball-machine practice, you won't learn by a higher speed setting rushing you. The same goes for the feed setting.

If you need further explanation or explicit detail, just ask.

On Gauff's recent play, Gauff on her forehand was trying to swing harder, yet she was still opening up and pulling away from the ball, and many times she ended up with her weight back on her heels. She repeatedly failed, then her reliable backhand and serve also began to fail. Confidence and composure (always joined together) vanished.

Relying only on practice without match play won't improve your match play, Remember the question you ask yourself in match play.

One more thought on my own improvement. On my one-handed backhand, I had relied too much on a slice return. I practiced a lot on a low top-spin, flat backhand shot, my natural swing. But in the practice, I didn't ignore my reliable slice. I also worked on hitting a more low-driving slice, which became a penetrating weapon and so did the flatter backhand. Since I have an attacking nature then come to the net, the driving slice served me well.
 
A G.O.A.T. you aren't. A goat you are.

I'm not talking about WTF ranking. I'm talking about her actual play, sometimes like a top 5 player and sometimes like a No. 49 player. And Gauff's forehand doesn't rank among the WTF's top 100 forehands.

jimmy8, don't pretend you know better on tennis than I know tennis.

But on the galaxy reference, you're dead right. Several years ago, I descended down to Earth from a superior planet.
 
Another terrible loss. Gauff's confidence is as brittle as burnt paper. So long to her World No. 2 ranking. Her current play I would rank in the bottom half of the top 50. Brad Gilbert needs to go

And forget about what Roddick said about Gilbert. I know how Gilbert comes across as a coach. He blathers. He over coaches yet doesn't inspire. He isn't worth a damn as a coach.

Nothing new I'm saying. Sure, some time ago, Gauff appeared to show an improvement with her forehand. Many credited Gilbert.

But I knew better. I knew that Gilbert would wear out his welcome. Gilbert likes putting himself in the forefront.
So happy
 
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