while true, you seem to forget monica seles who won 8 slams before 20 and was no 1 for 170 weeks before the incident, what coco has achieved is good but Monica did was incredible, so please don't exaggerate
Gauff Continues to Fall
- Thread starter glenda
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I have to. I dont get why people jump on this girl. She has really done nothing wrong except not win slams at some massive pace. But man there are people who just go bonkers over her for literally no reason.
travlerajm
Talk Tennis Guru
The weaknesses in her technique relative the other top players just highlight that her ceiling is higher than any other active player.
How close she gets to that sky-high ceiling is tbd, but should be fun to watch how her career evolved over the next several years as she enters her physical prime.
And it shouldn’t go unnoticed that most female players peak physically at an early age, with many of them already losing ground by the time they hit their early 20s. Coco has shown no signs of that. Rather, she has only recently reached her physical peak (unlike players like Raducanu or anisimova who will never be as agile movers as they were as teens).
Ronaldo
Bionic Poster
Git Lit!
Yea it's just this opinion that people have on some young player they make statements like she won't improve, and act like other players won't decline. It's so silly.
travlerajm
Talk Tennis Guru
Being #3 in the world and younger than the only 2 players ranked ahead of you is a good place to be.
That start to his career worked out ok for Djokovic.
norcal
Legend
She is American and too 'woke'.
That's plenty of reasons for TTW to hate on her. I've never understood the hate.
I'm looking forward to the final, should be good.
Ronaldo
Bionic Poster
joselito66
New User
What!? WHAT??? THAT HAPPENED??? AND THIS THREAD IS UP??? WHAT ARE THE ODDS!!!
atatu
Legend
What do you think about her performances against Iga this week and Sabalenka today ? I'm serious, not trying to call you out or anything, do you think she played well or was Sabalenka just bad the way Muchova was bad when Coco beat her in China ?
Aussie Darcy
Bionic Poster
Coco has done well but we need to look at the stats.
Against Swiatek wasn’t great, think Coco hit double digit double faults in one set alone but Swiatek was far worse so Gauff got through in straights.
She cut out the double faults against Sabalenka but the stats are still hideous even for a straight sets win.
She hit 14 winners but 27 unforced errors. That’s woeful. The difference? Sabalenka also also hit 14 winners but hit a whopping 47 unforced errors.
Gauff isn’t winning these matches so much as her opponent is losing them. To have that many unforced errors is terrible. But luckily for her, her opponents are hitting more.
travlerajm
Talk Tennis Guru
Looking forward to seeing Coco’s opponents continue to gift her matches all the way until she’s #1.
Aussie Darcy
Bionic Poster
She won't be getting to #1 anytime before the middle of next year given how she's playing and the points she's defending. She's nowhere near the #1 by points and given the amount of double faults and unforced errors she still needs to improve to get there. Unless you think the stats I posted look promising?
She's lucky Sabalenka hit 47 unforced errors and Swiatek also hit 47 unforced errors. Because Gauff herself has been hitting a ridiculous amount too.
When Coco hit 40 unforced errors in her match against Krejcikova, she lost.
Explains alot.
That's not to put Coco down or what she's done, but I don't think I need to debate with someone that in her last 3 matches she's hit a combined 100 unforced errors which is not good.
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atatu
Legend
I think it's a little disingenuous to say Coco is just "lucky" when she's beaten Iga, Sabalenka and Muchova this fall, but I really wish she would clean up the double faults. If Sabalenka was able to do this, she should be able to do it as well. I saw an interesting stat, she has over 400 double faults this year, no one in the top 20 is close to that, only Kostyuk with 370 is comparable.
TheGoldenEra1990’s
Hall of Fame
Sabalenka is gassed after a long season though. Unlike gauff, she actually WON slams this year LOL. Gauff was a mug all year
atatu
Legend
Yeah she's ranked #3 in the world and made like $4M million this year, she's terrible.
TheGoldenEra1990’s
Hall of Fame
Ehh. Osaka was making 50 million or something stupid just to sit home, eat and get fat. You don’t have to have a majorly successful for the year to make a lot of money
atatu
Legend
You're kind of ignoring the #3 world ranking, do you really think you can have that ranking and be a bad player ?
Aussie Darcy
Bionic Poster
If you don’t like the word lucky that’s fine, but I stand by everything I said in my post. You don’t get to number 1 by hitting a combined 100 unforced errors in 3 matches. Even against the top 2 players in the world. Gauff is a fantastic, brilliant player who deserves to be #3, but if she wants to be #1 as people have said here and on the WTA Finals thread, she won’t get there hitting that many unforced errors and double faults.
atatu
Legend
I'm not talking about getting to #1, I'm talking about beating Iga, Muchova, and Sabalenka and people dismissing those wins as being "lucky" like the people who said her US Open title was a fluke, even though she also made the French final before. Even in this thread some idiot is calling her a mug because she hasn't won a slam this year.
atatu
Legend
I'm talking about prize money, not endorsements.
Aussie Darcy
Bionic Poster
And she’s now the youngest WTA Finals champ since Sharapova won in 2004! Huge accomplishment by Coco.
travlerajm
Talk Tennis Guru
Luckiest?
Aussie Darcy
Bionic Poster
Lol, if you wanna be that person I’ll just say:
Vs Zheng - 50 unforced errors
Vs Sabalenka - 27 unforced errors
Vs Krejcikova - 40 unforced errors
Vs Swiatek - 33 unforced errors
3 of those matches she won, but a combined 150 unforced errors in 4 matches to win this title is insanity to me. But hey, she did it!
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travlerajm
Talk Tennis Guru
Paying attention to unforced errors stats can give you very misleading impression of what’s actually going on in a tennis match.
Tennis success is measured only by relative number of points vs your opponent. There are many ways to skin that cat, and Coco Gauff is doing it mainly by simply being faster and more athletic than her opponent.
As long as she plays her current style, stats are always going to show high error counts for both players.
joselito66
New User
Unforced errors is so 90s
Whether you're being facetious or not, the WTA itself does seem to hold that view. If you look at the official WTA match stats -- https://www.wtatennis.com/tournament/808/wta-finals/2024/scores/LS001 -- they don't even track the seemingly now-obsolete categories of winners and unforced errors. It's now all about percentage of points won on serve, on return, etc.
Moose Malloy
G.O.A.T.
cool stat
By winning the Beijing title on hard court last month, Gauff became the first woman in the Open Era to win her first seven tour-level hard-court finals. Gauff has now extended her hard-court final record to 8-0, and she improves to 9-1 in tour-level finals overall.
By winning the Beijing title on hard court last month, Gauff became the first woman in the Open Era to win her first seven tour-level hard-court finals. Gauff has now extended her hard-court final record to 8-0, and she improves to 9-1 in tour-level finals overall.
Just winning the WTA Finals. Other than that not to far I guess.
travlerajm
Talk Tennis Guru
What happened to the OP? She came in here and trashed Gauff, talked a lot of smack and stirred things up, then vanished.
TRUE! She was very good today for most of the match.
Very Impressive, Indeed!
Thank you for stating facts, coco is a consistent player and deserved to win the wta finals but she still has major flaws in her game, only her great athleticism and defence is the reason she is in the top 3, she still has a poor record against Iga and didn't win a major this year. the fact that the delusional yanks cannot accept this is so pathetic
Sorry but the truth hurts, she didn't win a major this year and yes both Iga and Aryna hit way more errors that gave coco the advantage, she will need to step up next year and I am sure she will but to call someone an idiot for stating facts is a bit unhinged.
I have got to the point where I don’t have the energy or inclination to argue with those folks. They keep moving the goalposts when she wins.
at least you stated the facts, just ignore the delusional yanks who can't handle the truth, I stand by what you said
Subway Tennis
G.O.A.T.
What a match. Talk about stand and bang tennis. Ultra aggressive ball striking and a lot of open play and rapid ball redirection where both players were just going for it.
They both move so well. You can’t just hang the ball into an either of these guys backhand corners and expect anything less than a cleanly struck DTBH that resets the point.
I’m a Gauff fan boy, but when I think about the results this year the three biggest names for me were Iga, Zheng and Sabalenka. It was very important for Gauff to stake some sort of claim so I’m glad she took this.
They both move so well. You can’t just hang the ball into an either of these guys backhand corners and expect anything less than a cleanly struck DTBH that resets the point.
I’m a Gauff fan boy, but when I think about the results this year the three biggest names for me were Iga, Zheng and Sabalenka. It was very important for Gauff to stake some sort of claim so I’m glad she took this.
ghostofMecir
Legend
I got Gauff at +350 and +550. Did you see her face all the way throughout this tournament? Not a single point, not a single moment got her rattled. She ended the season the best player in the world even with some pretty big liabilities. Onward and upward from here for Coco.
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TennisTurkey
Rookie
I didn't see the matches, has Gauff made technical changes to her forehand?
placebo
Rookie
Since her double faulting mess in Wuhan, she's really turned a corner in keeping her cool. Even during the Swiatek match with the 9 double faults in the second set, she managed to regather in time to win the match. Seemingly nothing could unsettle her when she was down many times during the final. Such poise at age 20.
norcal
Legend
It's wild all the hate she gets. She's a good person and a hell of a player and only 20! Do people really think she's going to get worse? Good luck with that.
austintennis2005
Professional
Mr.Lob
G.O.A.T.
Don't know about her forehand, but there has been a noticeable change on her mental approach to the game. More focused and tougher emotionally. Less likely to pout and meltdown when things aren't going her way, or over errors.
